Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[R. Alexis]

As mentioned before, using Shimano Deore XT/DX thumb shifters on dirt drop 
equipped WTB Phoenix and Suntour Command Shifters on the WTB Dirt Drop 
equipped OX Brand Ti Cruiser 29er. I also have some early SRAM Grip Shift 
rotational Road/Mountain shifters on my 1993 Bridgestone XO-1 on some Nitto 
Mustache bars on the ends. They work well, don't stick out like regular bar 
ends. Seems like it would work well on the ends of some dirt drops. 

Forgot to mention, also using Paul shifter mounts with Shimano bar ends on 
my Waterford 1400 on ti Jones H-Bar with J bends and some lower end Shimano 
GS-200 (?) on a couple bikes that were modified by drilling and tapping to 
take barrel adjusters. All work well. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 5:19:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone rigged up thumbshifters to work nicely on a drop bar? 
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Another vote for Microshift.

I have them mounted on Albatross on the inside so that (a) they won't 
obstruct when I want to move hands to the curves (b) I get the sweet 
ratcheting type shifting for the rear DR- which is 98% of the shirting on 
my setup.  I push with the thumb for slower gears and index finger for 
coming back to faster gears.

As with many other things, I was interested in experimenting with different 
types.  So I also got XT trigger shifter.  After using Microshift I don't 
feel like even trying those.  They feel too bulky and clunky.  I also like 
not having to listen to the clicking noise.

I think they will work fine on flat bars.  I do feel that shifting method 
is not as ergonomic as trigger shifters.  If I didn't mind the bulk/real 
estate needs and the clicking sound, I would have gone with the trigger 
shifter. 

On Monday, 28 August 2017 15:07:57 UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> if it will make you feel better, think of Microshift as the new SunTour, 
> because that's what it is.  
> Between my daughter and I, we have Microshift index on two bikes, bar-ends 
> and thumbies, and they're Perfect after years and long miles.  
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> ps - try Universal Cycles
>>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:57:43 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Microshift indexed thumbies 
>>>
>>> 
>>> she will like you for it
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:24:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 You'll get friction front, index rear with Shimano or MicroSHIFT 
 thumbies. She might be happy with that..friction front is easy to learn. 
 Beyond that I would warn against buying her shifters or a bike YOU like 
 better. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Surlyprof]

Maintenance.  That is exactly why I'd like to upgrade my wife's Public. 
 Bikes like that are pretty cheaply outfitted.  I always struggle with her 
brakes and keeping the Nexxus hub dialed in.  I'm scheming to slowly change 
out Riv quality parts as the cheaper parts wear out or become problematic. 
 Eventually... the frame.  Gotta play the long game!

For straight bars, I've only used mtb click shifters.  Don't know what 
thumbies would be like.

John

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:48:25 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> It is a Raleigh comfort bike with twist shifters.
> Always had problems with the front chainring shifts not working well and 
> chain drop. Hesitations, etc. Ever since it was new.
>
> I figure that friction shifting will get her an easy shift every time.
>
> I think that IRD set Riv sells looks good, and it is a set. I might try 
> them on the straight bar and see what she thinks.
>
> Would be nice if she had a Rivbike, then the maintenance would be easier 
> for me. And I'd feel better buying new components for the build rather than 
> putting things on her Raleigh that maybe can't be used later on a possible 
> Rivbike.
>
> Maybe I should just get her a rivbike anyway one day without asking. A 
> Cheviut would give her a comfort type bike so it would not be so different, 
> and the maintenance would be easier for me and hopefully she would like the 
> shifters better.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Ron Mc]

if it will make you feel better, think of Microshift as the new SunTour, 
because that's what it is.  
Between my daughter and I, we have Microshift index on two bikes, bar-ends 
and thumbies, and they're Perfect after years and long miles.  

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> ps - try Universal Cycles
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:57:43 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Microshift indexed thumbies 
>>
>> 
>> she will like you for it
>>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:24:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> You'll get friction front, index rear with Shimano or MicroSHIFT 
>>> thumbies. She might be happy with that..friction front is easy to learn. 
>>> Beyond that I would warn against buying her shifters or a bike YOU like 
>>> better. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Ron Mc]

ps - try Universal Cycles

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:57:43 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Microshift indexed thumbies 
>
> 
> she will like you for it
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:24:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> You'll get friction front, index rear with Shimano or MicroSHIFT 
>> thumbies. She might be happy with that..friction front is easy to learn. 
>> Beyond that I would warn against buying her shifters or a bike YOU like 
>> better. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Ron Mc]

Microshift indexed thumbies 


she will like you for it

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 4:24:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You'll get friction front, index rear with Shimano or MicroSHIFT thumbies. 
> She might be happy with that..friction front is easy to learn. Beyond that 
> I would warn against buying her shifters or a bike YOU like better. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Joe Bernard]

You'll get friction front, index rear with Shimano or MicroSHIFT thumbies. She 
might be happy with that..friction front is easy to learn. Beyond that I would 
warn against buying her shifters or a bike YOU like better. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Jon BALER]

IRD Silver SOS power ratchet Thumb shifters on Choco bars.  I have left and 
right switched, so I can mount them on the inner part of the grip.

1.  I like that they have enough cable pull to use with Shimano Dynasys (10 
speed mountain)
2.  Yes, easy to use.
3.  I'd say I shift one direction with thumb, and the other direction up 
with pointer finger.  
4. I have micro-shift on my surly ICT, which has a more traditional 
mountain bike bar.  But I use the rear der with index shifting.



On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[lum gim fong]

It is a Raleigh comfort bike with twist shifters.
Always had problems with the front chainring shifts not working well and 
chain drop. Hesitations, etc. Ever since it was new.

I figure that friction shifting will get her an easy shift every time.

I think that IRD set Riv sells looks good, and it is a set. I might try 
them on the straight bar and see what she thinks.

Would be nice if she had a Rivbike, then the maintenance would be easier 
for me. And I'd feel better buying new components for the build rather than 
putting things on her Raleigh that maybe can't be used later on a possible 
Rivbike.

Maybe I should just get her a rivbike anyway one day without asking. A 
Cheviut would give her a comfort type bike so it would not be so different, 
and the maintenance would be easier for me and hopefully she would like the 
shifters better.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Surlyprof]

1.  I've tried the Sunrace and Paul thumbies and am currently running 
Silver shifters on Paul thumbies.  I like them both but prefer the 
Silver/Paul combo.  They are very long compared to the Sunrace shifters but 
they work very well.  Nice and smooth with a great look with the CNC'ed 
aluminum.

2.  Once I got used to thumbies, instead of bar ends, I liked them.  Very 
easy to use once you get them in the position you like.  That took a little 
experimentation.  I'll go back to Albastache with bar ends when the 
shoulder heals.  I really miss that set up.

3.  I use only a thumb when shifting them down but use my index finger and 
thumb when shifting up and trimming.

4.  Haven't tried them on a straight bar.  I use them now because I shifted 
from Albastache to Albatross due to a shoulder injury.  I found bar ends 
were too long on the Albatross bars and I'd occassionally shift with my 
knees when turning.  I used the Sunrace thumbies with Boscos and they 
worked well.  The "not indexing click" was a little weird at first but then 
you just forget about it. 

5.  I moved mine right over from the bar end pods without a hitch.   Don't 
forget that you will need to get the adapter for the Silver shifters 
(https://www.rivbike.com/products/paul-thumbie-silver-shifer-adapter-hardware-pair-17145).
 
 I forgot about that and it stalled my build for days.  Torture! 

I feel your marital pain.  I've been trying to convince my wife how much 
she'd love the Riv mountain mixte but she will not give up her bright 
orange Public with twist shifters.  I also think she saw right through my 
thinly veiled attempt to add a Mountain Mixte to the household for my 
personal use.  I'm sure she could hear my future argument for a 650b 
Hunq... "But the mountain mixte is *your* bike dear!"


John



On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Joe Bernard]

Paul used to make a thumbie mount to fit road bars..an old Reader showed them 
on the tops near the stem. The MicroSHIFT thumbies on my Clem look like they 
could be dremeled out to do the same thing. I'll bet they would work well 
mounted Riv-style on the inside of the hoods. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Patrick Moore]

Has anyone rigged up thumbshifters to work nicely on a drop bar?

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[R. Alexis]

I am using Suntour XC-Pro/Comp/LTD thumbies on several bikes. Using 
friction Suntour XC thumb shifters on my 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 retro build 
and Shimano Deore XT/DX thumb shifters on Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) 
shifter mounts on a couple WTB Dirt Drop WTB Phoenix bikes. I like the 
friction set up on the Bridgestone, but I started riding years ago with 
friction and I haven't lost my ability to use fricton in the years since I 
went away from it. Now have my Schwinn Voyageur set up with NOS Suntour 
Sprint index shifters on the down tube. Despite not extensively using a 
bike with downtube shifters, especially friction I am taking to it just 
fine.  

The shape of the microShift made thumb shifters reminds me of the 
index/ghost index/friction Suntour shifters back in the 90's. I prefer that 
shape over the Shimano thumbies for that personal reason. 

What index shifters are on your wife's bike now? SRAM? Shimano? Other? I 
would probably go with one of the thumb shifters that indexes and can 
convert to friction. If she has never done friction it may be much to go to 
that for her. I know I have worked on a couple of bikes with Shimano 
rotational shifters that didn't work well despite my going over the bike. 
They are bad shifters. Entry level SRAM has worked well, when set up 
correctly for me. 

Hope this help.

Reginald Alexis  

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 8:30:36 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Kieran J]

Agreed. I have two sets of the Deore DX MT60 version, and they are so 
great. Nice crisp, soft click indexing action. I also wish that Microshift 
had modelled their thumb shifters on these rather than the kludge of 
Shimano BE shifters mounted on the Paul units. The ergonomics of this 
design is far better IMHO.

KJ
   

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 8:17:12 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>
> these are incredible. I have them on my cheviot. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> 1.What kind do you like?
>>
>> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
>> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
>> with thumbies.
>>
>> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
>> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>>
>> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>>
>> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
>> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
>> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
>> type levers and thumb shifters.
>> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
>> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
>> bike later.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Ron Mc]

If you want 9 or 10s indexing, Microshift are great

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[dougP]

I had Shimano Ultegra 8 speed bar ends on my Atlantis, & simply added a set 
of Paul's Thumbies when I converted it to flat bars.  Works like a champ.  
Index is same as before.  I use my thumb when pushing away & sorta nudge 
the lever with a knuckle on my forefinger going the other way.  I like the 
set-up a lot.  

+1 for Ergon grips.  If she uses the brake hoods for climbing, Ergon makes 
some versions with extensions that are quite useful.  But if not, the basic 
unit looks a lot cleaner.  

dougP

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[adam leibow]

these are incredible. I have them on my cheviot. 




On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[drew]

I also like the shimano's on paul mounts. i could be wrong but i think 
thats the only way to get good quality indexed thumb shifting with new 
parts. that being said, that one model of suntour thumb shifter is the 
prettiest and best feeling thumb shifter ever. if i see them at a decent 
price, i always buy them. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Kellie]

I have thumbies with paul's on my Saluki; drop bar. They work great. I put 
Shimano 9 Dura Ace with the Paul's. I use One-At-A-Time SunRace on my 
Atlantis on a Choco (norm) bar. I flipped them into the inside of the bar 
(Rivendell way) which is so comfortable and natural. And yes you can really 
use your thumb. 

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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