[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[eddietheflay]

Orange coupled Curtlo. Not sure how this shows up on computer monitors but 
here you go:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9mvb6zsAfCk2XhDR7

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
> panels:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
> post photos then.
>
> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>
> -- 
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> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Evan E.]

Eddie,

Could you post a pic of your bike in Brentwood Orange powder coat?

Evan

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[eddietheflay]

my Curtlo coupled travel bike is powdered in Brentwood Orange. A little 
sparkle and I never get tired of it:
https://www.prismaticpowders.com/shop/powder-coating-colors/PMB-0964/brentwood-orange


On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
> panels:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
> post photos then.
>
> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Nick Payne]

Last year I ordered my wife a frame from the Carbonda factory in China, and 
specified Pantone Orange 021 C as the colour I wanted the frame painted. 
This is the frame:




If you've got a fairly accurate monitor, have a look at 
https://www.pantone.com/color-finder.


Nick

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Evan E.]

Love the Rambouillet orange. Also like the "copper" color of the Raleigh 
International circa 1974.

>
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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Joe in the Pay Area]

Rambouillet orange ! With the sparkles in the paint !

I have 3 oranges: a '93 XO-1, a '99 A/R and a +/- '02 Atlantis, but my 
knees get weak when I see a Ram in orange.

Anyone have a paint code for that shade? I wanna repaint all three!
 


On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
> panels:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
> post photos then.
>
> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, I don't like orange on bikes. Except on days that I do 🍊

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Jeff B]

I'm not a painting expert but have listened to many conversations about 
automotive paint matching. 

I believe the true final color would also depend on your, or your painters, 
primer of choice. A grey primer will probably be closest to the true color, 
but slightly muted and might require a few coats for good coverage. To 
really have the paint pop and not use so many coats you could use white 
primer.

PPG 2764 (which is Flame Red as described by Corvette marketing) paired 
with a white primer can produce a really vivid color without having to buy 
a brighter orange which might be leaning towards a highlighter shade.

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?type=sample&ditzler=2764&syear=1975&smake=Chevrolet&smodel=Corvette&sname=Flame%20Red&name=corvette1975WA4667

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Doug Hansford]

Kiley,
I must confess to being somewhat anti-orange. I grew up around Athens, GA 
where all things UGa Bulldawgs is a way of life. And, as a child I was a 
huge fan of the Dawgs. Our rivals were Florida, Clemson, and Auburn who all 
wear some shade of orange. Maybe that has transferred to my bicycle 
preferences as well. Having said that, I can appreciate a nice orange 
Rivendell. Are you still planning to buy a Clem L and build it up?
Doug Hansford

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> OK, I have to weigh in because my favorite color is orange. I am a student 
> of orange. True orange is a bit like red, in that a little goes a long way.
>
> In 2015, when I went to Riv to pick a bike in any color as long as it was 
> orange, I picked the Cheviot over the Clem L. Part of the reason I went 
> with the Cheviot was it was a nicer shade orange. The trick with 'good' 
> orange is that it not have any neon effect, errs on the side of red, not 
> pink, and is saturated. The Cheviot orange was darn near perfect, whatever 
> its color number might have been.
>
> P.S. I took my love of orange and bicycles, and the extra height, as sure 
> signs I was part Dutch. Ancestry.com has (orange) crushed that dream.  
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Kiley Demond]

OK, I have to weigh in because my favorite color is orange. I am a student 
of orange. True orange is a bit like red, in that a little goes a long way.

In 2015, when I went to Riv to pick a bike in any color as long as it was 
orange, I picked the Cheviot over the Clem L. Part of the reason I went 
with the Cheviot was it was a nicer shade orange. The trick with 'good' 
orange is that it not have any neon effect, errs on the side of red, not 
pink, and is saturated. The Cheviot orange was darn near perfect, whatever 
its color number might have been.

P.S. I took my love of orange and bicycles, and the extra height, as sure 
signs I was part Dutch. Ancestry.com has (orange) crushed that dream.  


>

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[ascpgh]

Patrick,  you become the most popular rider when your bike is orange! 

Everyone (of a certain age) who knows bikes knows Molteni orange, it is 
evocative. Here's an article that sort of relays the events and the sense 
of respect that the color earned. 
https://www.prendas.co.uk/blogs/news/molteni-arcore-cycling-team

My orange Rambouillet hasn't that sort of heritage and is limited to what 
it is (not a racing bike) and when it was made (2000-when it was hard to 
find tires>25mm). A slim basis for what I have experienced in response when 
riding it. My wife commented during our Ride the Five Boros event in NYC of 
how sour the faces of all the CFRP riding, team kitted folks around us were 
when bystanders or other riders commented on my bike, how well it fit me or 
even recognized and called it out as a "Rivendell Rambouillet". They and 
their bikes, of whatever cost, were undistinguishable ubiquity in the sea 
of bikes and riders. My orange lugged steel bike with its cream colored 
headtube and hammered Honjos was drawing the attention. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:55:28 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I can tell that this is a popular topic! I guessed it would be, which is 
> why I posted the question here instead of on the iBoblist.
>
> Thanks all. I will peruse the samples, select the few favorites, and 
> forward to Chauncey with instructions to come as close to any of the short 
> list as can be done.
>
> So far, Molteni Orange is the favorite. Weth, the orange on your wife's 
> bike is beautiful, but it's a wee bit too brilliant for my own taste in 
> what I imagine an orange bike should be. Joe: If I am seeing the orange 
> that you recommend, it's a wee bit too dark compared to the ideal in my 
> imagination.
>
> My bias probably results, now that I think of it, from having a 
> long-buried image of Molteni Orange in my imagination.
>
> Garth, thanks for the code.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
>> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
>> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
>> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
>> altered it in the meanwhile.
>>
>> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
>> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
>> don't you think?
>>
>> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
>> who knows; what do you think?
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
>> panels:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
>> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
>> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
>> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
>> post photos then.
>>
>> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
>> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Molteni Orange. Co-Motion says it's PPG code 61646
>
> You can't trust color reproduction online as there are endless variables. 
> So no it's not you, you see just fine.  
>

Yup, unless you have a color-corrected screen and the source has an 
accurate profile attached, WYSI*N*WYG.

Molteni orange is quite muted, and more towards a lighter burnt orange in 
my eyes. It doesn't have that sharp, bright impact that something like 
Fanta orange has, and it certainly isn't trending towards the red spectrum. 
In fact, when I first got my Colnago Master in Molteni colors (I'm assuming 
this is the reference), I was surprised at how muted and even…faded it 
looked, compared to the "juicy" Fanta orange. All the online pics, in 
comparison, appears to have the saturation turned way up.

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, we grew up with that Molteni color burned in our brains. It always 
works. 

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Joe Bernard]

Susie Orange. I think it's on the Hillborne, too, and possibly the most recent 
orange Roadini*

*original orange Roadini was nice, too 

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>

The correct bicycle orange will always be Molteni Orange, followed by 
Rambouillet Orange. :)

IRL, Molteni Orange is quite muted, compared to the orange on the bike 
you've presented, that looks more like Fanta/SunKist Orange (at least on my 
screen). The closet match in terms of automotive colors may be something 
like the orange on the original VW Beetle. Rambouillet Orange is also 
within that realm, but is metallic. I liked the orange of the original 
Cheviots so much that I had my Wilbury repainted that color.

In the end, if you're painting the entire frame+fork, and you're not trying 
to match something else (like a jersey or your car), some deviation from 
what you've imagined is likely OK. Indeed, when I had a couple of my bikes 
repainted, I agreed with Rick from D&D about the general color and shade, 
but wasn't fixated on the *exact* shade. That made it easier for him, and 
took pressure off both of us; the results were pretty good.

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