[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my Atlantis. 
I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops! It was 
easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to anchor and 
store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored on one 
end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I made was 
just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I sewed a 
strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when not 
attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it stops 
for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for touring 
and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!

Clayton (Bend)

On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>
> Cheers,
> Cecily 
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

This might actually work! Thanks, Lew!

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:17:54 AM UTC-8, Lew Plummer wrote:
>
> Shimano makes the perfect steering lock but usually distributes them only 
> to OEM's.  I believe Niagara Cycles has these. SEE HERE 
> .  Your Betty probably has 
> enough steer tube to accommodate this device.
>
>
>
> Regards, Lew Plummer
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 7:25:43 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
>> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer at 
work, but I'll check it out from home. 

Cheers!

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my 
> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops! 
> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to 
> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored 
> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I 
> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I 
> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when 
> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it 
> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for 
> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>
> Clayton (Bend)
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
>> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[blakcloud]

My first foray into a stabilizer was the Velo Orange one. It worked 
reasonably well but you still had to be somewhat careful with heavier 
loads. What I didn't like was the clamp around the tube, it makes the bike 
look ugly. When I had my bikes repainted I had them braze on small clip for 
the spring eliminating the clamp and used the rest of the parts from the 
VO. 

Velo Orange 


My solution 

I do wish that my Rivendell had the small braze on, because like you I got 
a lot of flop with Mark's Rack and Wald basket. For this bike I just use a 
velcro pant strap, while I load the bike. 

On another note, I asked a custom frame builder who was building porteur 
bikes to add this braze on and he refused. He would do everything else I 
asked for but he believed that they didn't work and he wouldn't do it, so I 
didn't have the frame built. 




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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

Ohhh... I hadn't thought of that! Thanks, David!

On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:35:49 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Probably unlikely, but a loose headset would cause the front end to flop 
> when parked moreso than a properly adjusted headset. 
> Exploring every option. 
> David
> Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[ted]

If it's mostly flop when parked on a kickstand that's the trouble, perhaps a 
twin leg stand would help.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Minh]

they help but it does not solve all problems, heavy loads will still swing 
around.  the type of headset also makes a difference, my bike with needle 
bearings seem to swing a little less.  a double-kickstand (cut to the right 
height) can also help when the bike is on the stand.  but in my case the 
bars swing when not on the stand!

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[BSWP]

That's a pretty clean solution. Mine would be similar, but employ a flat 
elastic strip, held to the frame with a small stainless M4 or M5 
button-head bolt and a thin brass fender washer. Should be easy to get a 
builder to add the threaded boss for a small bolt right there.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:19:29 PM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:
>
> My first foray into a stabilizer was the Velo Orange one. It worked 
> reasonably well but you still had to be somewhat careful with heavier 
> loads. What I didn't like was the clamp around the tube, it makes the bike 
> look ugly. When I had my bikes repainted I had them braze on small clip for 
> the spring eliminating the clamp and used the rest of the parts from the 
> VO. 
>
> Velo Orange 
> 
>
> My solution 
>
> I do wish that my Rivendell had the small braze on, because like you I got 
> a lot of flop with Mark's Rack and Wald basket. For this bike I just use a 
> velcro pant strap, while I load the bike. 
>
> On another note, I asked a custom frame builder who was building porteur 
> bikes to add this braze on and he refused. He would do everything else I 
> asked for but he believed that they didn't work and he wouldn't do it, so I 
> didn't have the frame built. 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

I have a twin leg kickstand already, and it doesn't help. 

On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:01:20 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> If it's mostly flop when parked on a kickstand that's the trouble, perhaps 
> a twin leg stand would help.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

I took it to the bike shop on Saturday, and a loose headset wasn't the 
problem. I'd hate to have the kickstand cut and find out that wasn't the 
solution either. I'm not putting a hugely heavy load in the front: just a 
messenger bag with a MacBook air in it. 

I guess I could learn to live with it, since it doesn't affect how the bike 
handles at all. It just annoys me.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:35:49 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Probably unlikely, but a loose headset would cause the front end to flop 
> when parked moreso than a properly adjusted headset. 
> Exploring every option. 
> David
> Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Deacon Patrick]

Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an 
inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of 
the Betty Foy! :-D


On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an 
> inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Sorry Cecily. You need two-- one on the front seat, the second to hold up 
the bikes. :)

BTW: I have a VO wheel stabilizer on my crosscheck. Works fine. For my 
Hunqapillar, I pre-turn it. That way it doesn't flop the bike over. If I'm 
dealing with a heavy load (usually groceries), then I might bungie cord the 
wheel. (Irish strap works, too, but bungie is faster on/off.)

shoji



On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:30:48 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of 
> the Betty Foy! :-D
>
>
> On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an 
>> inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Scott Calhoun]

I have the VO wheel stabilizer and the VO double kickstand on my porteur 
bike. They work well together. I can still tip the bike over if my front 
bag is loaded unevenly, but it doesn't happen often. I consider the 
stabilizer essential for a heavily front loaded utility bike. I agree with 
blakcloud that the clamp around the frame on the VO is ugly, I wish I had 
the braze-on on the down tube.

Scott Calhoun
Tucson, AZ

On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:19:29 PM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:
>
> My first foray into a stabilizer was the Velo Orange one. It worked 
> reasonably well but you still had to be somewhat careful with heavier 
> loads. What I didn't like was the clamp around the tube, it makes the bike 
> look ugly. When I had my bikes repainted I had them braze on small clip for 
> the spring eliminating the clamp and used the rest of the parts from the 
> VO. 
>
> Velo Orange 
> 
>
> My solution 
>
> I do wish that my Rivendell had the small braze on, because like you I got 
> a lot of flop with Mark's Rack and Wald basket. For this bike I just use a 
> velcro pant strap, while I load the bike. 
>
> On another note, I asked a custom frame builder who was building porteur 
> bikes to add this braze on and he refused. He would do everything else I 
> asked for but he believed that they didn't work and he wouldn't do it, so I 
> didn't have the frame built. 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Zack]

Yep, I had the VO stabilizer for a while, then moved and disassembled bike 
and lost the parts.  It works well.  Solves your problem.

Then Chris gave me another, and I haven't added it yet.  Irish strap on the 
front wheel when you park does the same thing.  (I learned this from Chris).

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cecily, 

A possible solution could be the Mark's Hub Area Rack.  Due to it's lower 
center of gravity I'd think it would have less flop.  That combined with a 
double legged kick stand should almost guarantee a solution.   But hey  
...  no guarantees :>)

Matt

On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>
> Cheers,
> Cecily 
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Lew Plummer]

Shimano makes the perfect steering lock but usually distributes them only 
to OEM's.  I believe Niagara Cycles has these. SEE HERE 
.  Your Betty probably has 
enough steer tube to accommodate this device.



Regards, Lew Plummer

On Friday, October 31, 2014 7:25:43 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>
> Cheers,
> Cecily 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

I just put the stabilizer on my chicken:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15794369176/

The plastic bit is a bit clunky but it's on the other side of the downtube
from me, and I think the metal band looks classy. Wheel flop be gone!

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:36 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops!
> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored
> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>
> Clayton (Bend)
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my
>> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's
>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel
>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

The hub rack sounds like a good idea but (1) I'm only carrying a laptop and 
maybe a coat in my front basket and (2) I'm trying to do this without 
spending a whole lotta money. :)



On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:35:47 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I second what Matt's saying here.  If you carried the weight down low in 
> panniers, it would feel a lot more stable.  
>
> When I first set up my girlfriend's San Marcos, she tried a lovely House 
> of Talents basket 
>  
> on the handlebars, supported by a VO Constructeur 
>  
> rack.  She hated how much the wheel flopped with any load in the 
> basket--especially her awesome-but-heavy Abus chain.  
>
> For RAGBRAI, I switched those out for a Campee Classic 
> , with 
> medium panniers on the lowrider frames.  She loves how the low load makes 
> the front end more stable, even with the load unbalanced to one side or the 
> other (seriously, that chain is like 3.5 lbs).  Her San Marcos now obeys 
> when she tells it to "sit" on its single kickstand.  She refuses to give 
> the rack and bags back!  But that's OK, because I'm paid back by her 
> satisfied smiles when she rides it.
>
> Of course, getting set up with a front lowrider rack and bags wouldn't be 
> cheap.  The HAR  would bolt 
> right on to your Betty, as would the Big Front 
>  or the similar/cheaper/less 
> pretty Surly Nice Rack .  
> There are other lowrider racks, like the Tubus one that Peter White has 
> , but I don't know if 
> their mount points would match up easily to your mid-fork eyelets.  But 
> clamps work fine.
>
> From there you could attach any kind of bags (waxed canvas is great, 
> waterproof roll-tops are great) or even buckets 
> 
>  
> or baskets 
> .
>   
> The Ortlieb hooks  are 
> secure yet easy-on/easy-off, and could be attached to anything.
>
> A double kickstand would be cheaper!  But moving the load lower on the 
> front would improve handling while riding and while parked.  Something to 
> think about.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:42 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Cecily, 
>>
>> A possible solution could be the Mark's Hub Area Rack.  Due to it's lower 
>> center of gravity I'd think it would have less flop.  That combined with a 
>> double legged kick stand should almost guarantee a solution.   But hey  
>> ...  no guarantees :>)
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, 
>>> my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
>>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
>>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cecily 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
wrote:

> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer at
> work, but I'll check it out from home.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops!
>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored
>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>
>> Clayton (Bend)
>>
>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy,
>>> my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's
>>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel
>>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cecily
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The 
Stabilizer?

Matt

On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer at 
>> work, but I'll check it out from home. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my 
>>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops! 
>>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to 
>>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored 
>>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I 
>>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I 
>>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when 
>>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it 
>>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for 
>>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>>
>>> Clayton (Bend)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, 
 my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
 anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
 stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 

 Cheers,
 Cecily 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
lists for $40.

http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695

Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.

I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would pay
for itself!

cc

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
> Stabilizer?
>
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer at
>>> work, but I'll check it out from home.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:

 Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
 Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops!
 It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
 anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored
 on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
 made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
 sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
 not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
 stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
 touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!

 Clayton (Bend)

 On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy,
> my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's
> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel
> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop.
>
> Cheers,
> Cecily
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Goshen Peter]

Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one?
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html
I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap enough
to give a try, unless of course its junk.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
> lists for $40.
>
> http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695
>
> Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.
>
> I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would pay
> for itself!
>
> cc
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
>> Stabilizer?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer
 at work, but I'll check it out from home.

 Cheers!


 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops!
> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
> anchored
> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>
> Clayton (Bend)
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty
>> Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when
>> there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on
>> wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the
>> flop.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

I donno. I was at clever and it was in stock so I bought it.

This is the *riv* list after all. :)

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Goshen Peter 
wrote:

> Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one?
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html
> I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap enough
> to give a try, unless of course its junk.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>
>> I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
>> lists for $40.
>>
>> http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695
>>
>> Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.
>>
>> I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would
>> pay for itself!
>>
>> cc
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
>>> Stabilizer?
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer
> at work, but I'll check it out from home.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  
>> flops!
>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
>> anchored
>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>
>> Clayton (Bend)
>>
>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty
>>> Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when
>>> there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions 
>>> on
>>> wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the
>>> flop.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cecily
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

Also, Made in Germany vs... um... well I donno.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> I donno. I was at clever and it was in stock so I bought it.
>
> This is the *riv* list after all. :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Goshen Peter 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one?
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html
>> I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap
>> enough to give a try, unless of course its junk.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>>
>>> I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
>>> lists for $40.
>>>
>>> http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695
>>>
>>> Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.
>>>
>>> I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would
>>> pay for itself!
>>>
>>> cc
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
 Stabilizer?

 Matt

 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer
>> at work, but I'll check it out from home.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
>>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  
>>> flops!
>>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
>>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
>>> anchored
>>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one 
>>> I
>>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
>>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
>>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until 
>>> it
>>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
>>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>>
>>> Clayton (Bend)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty
 Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when
 there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions 
 on
 wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the
 flop.

 Cheers,
 Cecily

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[David Spranger]

I have the VO stabilizer on my LHT. Not junk at all. Works exactly as you 
want a wheel stabilizer to work. The band clamp on that Hebie is prettier 
than the VO, but not 3 or 4 times as pretty.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:27:04 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one? 
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html 
> I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap enough 
> to give a try, unless of course its junk.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen  > wrote:
>
>> I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it 
>> lists for $40.
>>
>> http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695
>>
>> Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.
>>
>> I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would 
>> pay for itself!
>>
>> cc
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The 
>>> Stabilizer?
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker  
 wrote:

> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer 
> at work, but I'll check it out from home. 
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my 
>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  
>> flops! 
>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to 
>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
>> anchored 
>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one 
>> I 
>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I 
>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when 
>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until 
>> it 
>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for 
>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>
>> Clayton (Bend)
>>
>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty 
>>> Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when 
>>> there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions 
>>> on 
>>> wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the 
>>> flop. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cecily 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Dennis Hogan]

I tried a "cheap" version on my touring bike -  don't know if it was VO but was 
disappointed. The clamping ring on the downtube would slip letting the wheel 
flop - tried padding and no padding under the band but just could not keep it 
tight finally took it off as the paint was being damaged. The pcs are somewhere 
on my workbench
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

eye of the beholder. :)

this is a list where people are getting $600 rain jackets, after all

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM, David Spranger 
wrote:

> I have the VO stabilizer on my LHT. Not junk at all. Works exactly as you
> want a wheel stabilizer to work. The band clamp on that Hebie is prettier
> than the VO, but not 3 or 4 times as pretty.
>
> David
> Charlotte, NC
>
> On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:27:04 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one?
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html
>> I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap
>> enough to give a try, unless of course its junk.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>>
>>> I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
>>> lists for $40.
>>>
>>> http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695
>>>
>>> Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.
>>>
>>> I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would
>>> pay for itself!
>>>
>>> cc
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
 Stabilizer?

 Matt

 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer
>> at work, but I'll check it out from home.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
>>> Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  
>>> flops!
>>> It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
>>> anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
>>> anchored
>>> on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one 
>>> I
>>> made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
>>> sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
>>> not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until 
>>> it
>>> stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
>>> touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!
>>>
>>> Clayton (Bend)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty
 Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when
 there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions 
 on
 wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the
 flop.

 Cheers,
 Cecily

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Chris Chen]

I think the twin-leggers really beg for a stabilizer, because more often
that not, your front wheel is up in the air...

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Cecily Walker 
wrote:

> I took it to the bike shop on Saturday, and a loose headset wasn't the
> problem. I'd hate to have the kickstand cut and find out that wasn't the
> solution either. I'm not putting a hugely heavy load in the front: just a
> messenger bag with a MacBook air in it.
>
> I guess I could learn to live with it, since it doesn't affect how the
> bike handles at all. It just annoys me.
>
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:35:49 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Probably unlikely, but a loose headset would cause the front end to flop
>> when parked moreso than a properly adjusted headset.
>> Exploring every option.
>> David
>> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Patrick Moore]

This is my experience with heavy, sometimes asymmetrical, rear loads, and
stands:

Pletscher and VO 2-leg, bb-mount: No damned good. When you get much more
than 5 lb difference between one side and the other, the bike will tend to
fall over on the side that has the heavier load.

Typical (eg, Greenfield) bb-mount stand: NDG*: again, a small discrepancy
between left and right rear loads will tend to make the bike fall over on
the heavier side.

Greenfield dropout-area-mount stand: Works very well. I've loaded 15+ lb
into panniers mounted onto the right (= likely to fall over) side, and the
bike has stood with sufficient stability that I can just park it casually
without fearing that it will fallover.

Be sure you don't cut the dropout-mount Greefield stand too short: even
turning the front wheel to left instead of right makes a difference in
(bike+load) stability. But if your dropout-mounted rear stand is properly
cut, this is -- IME, which is not inconsiderable -- the most reliable stand
for heavy rear loads.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Cecily Walker 
wrote:

> I have a twin leg kickstand already, and it doesn't help.
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:01:20 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>
>> If it's mostly flop when parked on a kickstand that's the trouble,
>> perhaps a twin leg stand would help.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Eunice Chang]

I have this problem on both of my bikes. I turn the front wheel in the
opposite direction of kickstand (both have single ones) and tell them in my
best dog mom voice: "STAY." It sort of works. Mostly because they know that
if they don't, they don't get to go out of the prison ^H^H^H bike shed for
a ride.

Otherwise, if there's a wall or anything to lean on, I'll use it.

-E.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Cecily Walker 
wrote:

> Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of
> the Betty Foy! :-D
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an
>> inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

HA! I do this too, Eunice. A fellow cyclist caught me saying "STAY" to my 
Betty Foy one day and I was so embarrassed. 


On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> I have this problem on both of my bikes. I turn the front wheel in the 
> opposite direction of kickstand (both have single ones) and tell them in my 
> best dog mom voice: "STAY." It sort of works. Mostly because they know that 
> if they don't, they don't get to go out of the prison ^H^H^H bike shed for 
> a ride.
>
> Otherwise, if there's a wall or anything to lean on, I'll use it. 
>
> -E.
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Cecily Walker  > wrote:
>
>> Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of 
>> the Betty Foy! :-D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an 
>>> inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Patrick Moore]

This reminds me of the time I installed a Wald "Newsboy" basket -- the
biggest available, 21" X 15" X 9", now apparently called just the "Giant
Delivery Basket" -- on the front of a beater, and tested it a l'outrance
with 2 cinderblocks -- 52 lb total. I actually managed to ride it a half
block, but was scared enough to stop at that point. Hell, I could hardly
keep the back wheel on the ground.

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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cecily,
>
> A possible solution could be the Mark's Hub Area Rack.  Due to it's lower
> center of gravity I'd think it would have less flop.  That combined with a
> double legged kick stand should almost guarantee a solution.   But hey
> ...  no guarantees :>)
>
> Matt
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my
>> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's
>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel
>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Tim Gavin]

I second what Matt's saying here.  If you carried the weight down low in
panniers, it would feel a lot more stable.

When I first set up my girlfriend's San Marcos, she tried a lovely House of
Talents basket

on the handlebars, supported by a VO Constructeur

rack.  She hated how much the wheel flopped with any load in the
basket--especially her awesome-but-heavy Abus chain.

For RAGBRAI, I switched those out for a Campee Classic
, with
medium panniers on the lowrider frames.  She loves how the low load makes
the front end more stable, even with the load unbalanced to one side or the
other (seriously, that chain is like 3.5 lbs).  Her San Marcos now obeys
when she tells it to "sit" on its single kickstand.  She refuses to give
the rack and bags back!  But that's OK, because I'm paid back by her
satisfied smiles when she rides it.

Of course, getting set up with a front lowrider rack and bags wouldn't be
cheap.  The HAR  would bolt
right on to your Betty, as would the Big Front
 or the similar/cheaper/less
pretty Surly Nice Rack .
There are other lowrider racks, like the Tubus one that Peter White has
, but I don't know if
their mount points would match up easily to your mid-fork eyelets.  But
clamps work fine.

>From there you could attach any kind of bags (waxed canvas is great,
waterproof roll-tops are great) or even buckets

or baskets
.
The Ortlieb hooks  are
secure yet easy-on/easy-off, and could be attached to anything.

A double kickstand would be cheaper!  But moving the load lower on the
front would improve handling while riding and while parked.  Something to
think about.

Cheers,
Tim

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> Cecily,
>
> A possible solution could be the Mark's Hub Area Rack.  Due to it's lower
> center of gravity I'd think it would have less flop.  That combined with a
> double legged kick stand should almost guarantee a solution.   But hey
> ...  no guarantees :>)
>
> Matt
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my
>> front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's
>> anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel
>> stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cecily
>>
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