Re: [RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Patrick Moore]

Jim: Once again, thanks for curating this list.

More generally, this is an active thread on the RBW, IBob, and CR lists.
Me, gmail and list traffic -- RBW, IBob, CR -- is behaving on my 2 Macs and
my iPhone just as it has been doing for the last10 or 15 years; I guess I
don't really want to know what I'm missing.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:56 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> I will say that even in the past 2 or 3 weeks there have been a lot of
> changes (most for the better) to the new Google Groups format.
> They've made a few management things easier, which I like, but have some
> other new aspects which cause issues.
>
> At this time, I have no plans to try to migrate this group elsewhere.
>
> As with everything google-ish, things will be iterated to address
> problems. Commenting here is good for solutions you have found or other
> workarounds , but *please make sure you are providing feedback* *to
> google *if you are seeing issues.  On the desktop version, there is a
> specific tool at the very top of your browser tab window. Please use that -
> they do actually respond and address reported issues.
>
> Screenshot attached.
>
> Be well, stay safe!
>
> - Jim / admin
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 3:25:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> Apparently the classic format is now history.  My question is:  Is there
>> any indicator as to which posts are updated or new?  In the classic format,
>> new & updated posts were bolded.  Hopefully it's just these old eyes
>> missing something obvious, but I don't see any way to see the difference.
>> Does anyone know or see some indicator that I'm missing?
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Doug peterson
>>
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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I will say that even in the past 2 or 3 weeks there have been a lot of 
changes (most for the better) to the new Google Groups format.
They've made a few management things easier, which I like, but have some 
other new aspects which cause issues.

At this time, I have no plans to try to migrate this group elsewhere. 

As with everything google-ish, things will be iterated to address problems. 
Commenting here is good for solutions you have found or other workarounds , 
but *please make sure you are providing feedback* *to google *if you are 
seeing issues.  On the desktop version, there is a specific tool at the 
very top of your browser tab window. Please use that - they do actually 
respond and address reported issues.

Screenshot attached.

Be well, stay safe!

- Jim / admin

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 3:25:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Apparently the classic format is now history.  My question is:  Is there 
> any indicator as to which posts are updated or new?  In the classic format, 
> new & updated posts were bolded.  Hopefully it's just these old eyes 
> missing something obvious, but I don't see any way to see the difference.  
> Does anyone know or see some indicator that I'm missing?
>
> Thx,
>
> Doug peterson
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[J Schwartz]

Does anyone know how to get this group to play nice (nicer) with IOS?

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:45:31 PM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> Where do you find the Sticky Messages that used to appear at the top of 
> the board, such as the Rivendell Timeline and the Riv Reader links?
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:02:40 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience 
>> or skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
>> something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
>> golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines (
>> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy 
>> to find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
>> members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...
>>
>> Downsides...
>> I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
>> Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
>> It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
>> losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
>> with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
>> Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
>> a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
>> Facebook).
>>
>> I dunno...just a thought...
>>
>> Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
>>> have to scroll down to find the last in?
>>> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
>>> old from the new?
>>> i only view on my pc desktop.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
 annoying for me to read. Later, folks!

 Eamon

 On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist 
 wrote:

> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
>> like it's history.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
>>> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
>>> it 
>>> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>>>
>>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>>
>>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>>> instructions also.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Nathan Mattia]

Where do you find the Sticky Messages that used to appear at the top of the 
board, such as the Rivendell Timeline and the Riv Reader links?


On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:02:40 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience or 
> skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
> something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
> golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines (
> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy to 
> find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
> members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...
>
> Downsides...
> I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
> Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
> It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
> losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
> with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
> Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
> a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
> Facebook).
>
> I dunno...just a thought...
>
> Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
>> have to scroll down to find the last in?
>> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
>> old from the new?
>> i only view on my pc desktop.
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
>>> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.

 Eamon
 Seattle 

 On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
> like it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
>> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
>> it 
>> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Ben Mihovk]

I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience or 
skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines 
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy to 
find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...

Downsides...
I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
Facebook).

I dunno...just a thought...

Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:

> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
> have to scroll down to find the last in?
> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
> old from the new?
> i only view on my pc desktop.
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
>> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>>
>> Eamon
>>
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
 like it's history.

 On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:

> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
> it 
> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>
> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>
> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
> instructions also.
>
> IanA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[eddietheflay]

why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't have 
to scroll down to find the last in?
why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
old from the new?
i only view on my pc desktop.

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>
> Eamon
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
>>> it's history.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
 settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it 
 gives you Classic view in mobile.

 On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.

 A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
 instructions also.

 IanA



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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Eamon Nordquist]

I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
annoying for me to read. Later, folks!

Eamon

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
>> it's history.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
>>> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
>>> Classic view in mobile.
>>>
>>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>>
>>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>>> instructions also.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Eamon Nordquist]

Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.

Eamon
Seattle 

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
> it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
>> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
>> Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Mark Roland]

And talk about dumb and redundant/not necessary, after I post, a comment 
comes up New Message Posted/ View Message. You hit View Message, then it 
comes up New Message from Mark Roland. Really? Who is that? In front of the 
message is a refresh circular arrow. You must now hit this (third step) to 
finally see the message. At least you know who it's from. Sheesh.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 6:04:47 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> I just got involuntarily forced into the new view.  How this is an 
> improvement I have no idea. The nice easy visual parameters that let you 
> know what you've read, how many messages have posted since, who the OP was, 
> etc., all knowable at a glance. I see that top posts have also been 
> removed. No doubt a temporary glitch. I guess Google has to justify all 
> those highly paid software engineers in some way or another. I don't think 
> I am being a retrogrouch when I say it sucks. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>
>> That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that 
>> will last now.
>>
>> Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more 
>> user-friendly. Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know 
>> it.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Mark Roland]

I just got involuntarily forced into the new view.  How this is an 
improvement I have no idea. The nice easy visual parameters that let you 
know what you've read, how many messages have posted since, who the OP was, 
etc., all knowable at a glance. I see that top posts have also been 
removed. No doubt a temporary glitch. I guess Google has to justify all 
those highly paid software engineers in some way or another. I don't think 
I am being a retrogrouch when I say it sucks. 

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that 
> will last now.
>
> Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more 
> user-friendly. Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know 
> it.
>
> IanA
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Ian A]

That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that will 
last now.

Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more user-friendly. 
Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know it.

IanA

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[dougP]

That's my experience.  Classic was there yesterday & gone today.  Settings 
only includes global, report, & help now.  I'll see if I can detect the 
bold but it's nowhere near as much more bold than in classic.  Seems kinda 
silly.  I liked the bold in the classic esp because it indicated new posts 
on threads.  

Oh, well.

doug

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
> it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
>> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
>> Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Nick Payne]

Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
it's history.

On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:

> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
> Classic view in mobile.
>
> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>
> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
> instructions also.
>
> IanA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Brewster Fong]

The new group sucks. But, new messages should be highlighted (bold). If so, 
then read what you want. Look for the 3 dots to mark as read for whatever 
you don't read. Good Luck! 

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 3:25:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Apparently the classic format is now history.  My question is:  Is there 
> any indicator as to which posts are updated or new?  In the classic format, 
> new & updated posts were bolded.  Hopefully it's just these old eyes 
> missing something obvious, but I don't see any way to see the difference.  
> Does anyone know or see some indicator that I'm missing?
>
> Thx,
>
> Doug peterson
>

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