Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
I think you're doing great Jim. Glad to see you're seriously thinking about custom cassettes - they're a lot more functional than anything off the shelf. You'll also have the option of buying additional cogs and adjusting it later. On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:17:43 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: > > ... > With 44/24 the aforementioned modified ratios get you: > 95.3 52.0 > 88.0 48.0 > 81.7 44.6 > 76.3 41.6 > 71.5 39.0 > 67.3 36.7 > 60.2 32.8 > 54.5 29.7 > 47.7 26.0 > 39.4 21.5 > > Current top gear with 44/28 and 11-34 in back is 104.0". Current > lowest gear is 21.4. So I give up a little top end, and the bottom > end is almost identical. I do use the 104" gear pretty often on road > rides but maybe I just need to work on my coasting technique and > forget about it. > > Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a > relatively small amount of money? It's a curse. > > -Jim > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Been thinking about this some more. One think about 11 speed that I've noticed is that some sites claim that the cable pull is not the same ratio throughout the travel. Which makes me wonder if certain shifters have to be paired with certain rear derailers. I run the Microshift bar-ends now, and would like to continue using them, but with the uncertainty around cable pull, would they mix with a Shimano derailer? I dunno, maybe should stick with 10 speed, that makes things a lot less complicated. I know in that case I would only need to change the shifter, cassette and chain to switch to 10 speed. That seems a bit more appealing, on second guess. The other thing is, how to best achieve the gears I want. It's easier to run a slightly narrower cassette if you accept having a bigger jump on your wide-low double. Maybe I should just give up having a 32 or 34 in the back, and just run a smaller bailout gear. The end goal is to keep my lowest gear inches and highest gear inches around where they are now, but bridge some of the gaps in the middle. I can get a Miche 12-29 10 speed, which has the ratios 12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26-29 and also a loose 16 and a loose 24, from XXCycle. for $59.53 shipped. Removing the 23 and 26, and inserting the 16 between the 15 and 17, and the 24 between the 21 and 29, gives one 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-29. With 44/24 the aforementioned modified ratios get you: 95.3 52.0 88.0 48.0 81.7 44.6 76.3 41.6 71.5 39.0 67.3 36.7 60.2 32.8 54.5 29.7 47.7 26.0 39.4 21.5 Current top gear with 44/28 and 11-34 in back is 104.0". Current lowest gear is 21.4. So I give up a little top end, and the bottom end is almost identical. I do use the 104" gear pretty often on road rides but maybe I just need to work on my coasting technique and forget about it. Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a relatively small amount of money? It's a curse. -Jim On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mcwrote: > ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff > anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23 > inches > XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one > middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below > 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. > > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: >> >> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and >> love them all. >> >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: >>> >>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. IRD >>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- signature goes here -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
On 12/04/2015 06:17 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: Been thinking about this some more. One think about 11 speed that I've noticed is that some sites claim that the cable pull is not the same ratio throughout the travel. Which makes me wonder if certain shifters have to be paired with certain rear derailers. I run the Microshift bar-ends now, and would like to continue using them, but with the uncertainty around cable pull, would they mix with a Shimano derailer? I dunno, maybe should stick with 10 speed, that makes things a lot less complicated. I know in that case I would only need to change the shifter, cassette and chain to switch to 10 speed. That seems a bit more appealing, on second guess. They claim to be "Shimano road rear derailleur compatible" on the web site, but perhaps you should contact their technical support -- no, make that QBP -- directly. Or, perhaps ask yourself what would going to 11 do for you (other than the fact that it goes to 11) - like, does it play louder? - that would make up for the hassles/changes you point out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
I'm still obsessing about going from 9 to 10; it's good to know that I've got whole new obsession waiting for me after that one. On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Jim Bronsonwrote: > > > Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a > relatively small amount of money? It's a curse. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
the people making cassettes have counted the teeth, but have never analyzed the ride On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:28:21 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: > > Jim, > > I see in your next post you found it. Please let us know how it works out > for you. > Hope I wasn't blowing smoke when I assumed you could get a 43t ring. > > In the why can't I get ... sniff dept. > Why no 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28,32 (or ...34) 10 spd? > the 9 spd HG80 gives 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28 why not just add the 32 > (or 34) to make it 10? > the only shimano 10 spd 11-32 is 11,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32 > the 10 spd sram 1070 gives (now) 11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32 > Id much rather have the extra one tooth gap(s) in the small cogs than the > minor reduction in step size in the large ones. > And while I am at it, though there are 11 sp bar end shifters for the aero > TT crowd, there are no 11 sp down tube shifters. > sniff. > > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: >> >> Ted, >> >> I got pretty excited when I saw your post >> >> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates >> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end >> and around 21 on the low end. >> >> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( >> >> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps >> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly. Is >> it really so hard? *sniff*. >> >> -Jim >> >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, tedwrote: >> > Jim, >> > >> > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings >> that >> > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. >> > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings >> > 4224 >> > 11 99.3 56.7 >> > 12 91.0 52.0 >> > 13 84.0 48.0 >> > 14 78.0 44.6 >> > 15 72.8 41.6 >> > 16 68.2 39.0 >> > 17 64.2 36.7 >> > 19 57.5 32.8 >> > 22 49.6 28.4 >> > 25 43.7 25.0 >> > 28 39.0 22.3 >> > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low >> end. Or >> > 11-32 with 43/26 rings >> > 4326 >> > 11 101.6 61.5 >> > 12 93.2 56.3 >> > 13 86.0 52.0 >> > 14 79.9 48.3 >> > 15 74.5 45.1 >> > 17 65.8 39.8 >> > 19 58.8 35.6 >> > 22 50.8 30.7 >> > 25 44.7 27.0 >> > 28 39.9 24.1 >> > 32 34.9 21.1 >> > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. >> > >> > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. >> > >> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: >> >> >> >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm >> >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom >> >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new >> >> set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you >> >> get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, >> >> but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a >> >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean >> >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra >> >> level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the >> >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality >> >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read >> >> on. >> >> >> >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm >> >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get >> >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run >> >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps >> >> between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the >> >> cassette would seem to solve this. >> >> >> >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just >> >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of >> >> more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever >> >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either >> >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's >> >> just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low >> >> double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide >> >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of >> >> the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big >> >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout >> >> gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the >> >> back. >> >> >> >> And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for >> >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in >> >> the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - >> >> 59.8 -
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Ted, I got pretty excited when I saw your post The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end and around 21 on the low end. However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly. Is it really so hard? *sniff*. -Jim On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, tedwrote: > Jim, > > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings > 4224 > 11 99.3 56.7 > 12 91.0 52.0 > 13 84.0 48.0 > 14 78.0 44.6 > 15 72.8 41.6 > 16 68.2 39.0 > 17 64.2 36.7 > 19 57.5 32.8 > 22 49.6 28.4 > 25 43.7 25.0 > 28 39.0 22.3 > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or > 11-32 with 43/26 rings > 4326 > 11 101.6 61.5 > 12 93.2 56.3 > 13 86.0 52.0 > 14 79.9 48.3 > 15 74.5 45.1 > 17 65.8 39.8 > 19 58.8 35.6 > 22 50.8 30.7 > 25 44.7 27.0 > 28 39.9 24.1 > 32 34.9 21.1 > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. > > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: >> >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new >> set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you >> get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, >> but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra >> level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read >> on. >> >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps >> between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the >> cassette would seem to solve this. >> >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of >> more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's >> just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low >> double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of >> the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout >> gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the >> back. >> >> And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in >> the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - >> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4. 13-32 or 13-34 might be even >> better, of course, nobody will ever make that. >> >> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of >> this. >> >> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the >> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24 >> Rivendell issue Sugino triple. But I don't have fenders on the >> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with >> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is. I could >> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and >> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way. >> >> So back to the 11 on the custom. Even Rivendell themselves built a >> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they? >> >> well anyway just musing. >> >> -- >> -- >> signature goes here > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Jim, I see in your next post you found it. Please let us know how it works out for you. Hope I wasn't blowing smoke when I assumed you could get a 43t ring. In the why can't I get ... sniff dept. Why no 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28,32 (or ...34) 10 spd? the 9 spd HG80 gives 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28 why not just add the 32 (or 34) to make it 10? the only shimano 10 spd 11-32 is 11,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32 the 10 spd sram 1070 gives (now) 11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32 Id much rather have the extra one tooth gap(s) in the small cogs than the minor reduction in step size in the large ones. And while I am at it, though there are 11 sp bar end shifters for the aero TT crowd, there are no 11 sp down tube shifters. sniff. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > > Ted, > > I got pretty excited when I saw your post > > The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates > the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end > and around 21 on the low end. > > However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( > > I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps > in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly. Is > it really so hard? *sniff*. > > -Jim > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted> wrote: > > Jim, > > > > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings > that > > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. > > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings > > 4224 > > 11 99.3 56.7 > > 12 91.0 52.0 > > 13 84.0 48.0 > > 14 78.0 44.6 > > 15 72.8 41.6 > > 16 68.2 39.0 > > 17 64.2 36.7 > > 19 57.5 32.8 > > 22 49.6 28.4 > > 25 43.7 25.0 > > 28 39.0 22.3 > > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low > end. Or > > 11-32 with 43/26 rings > > 4326 > > 11 101.6 61.5 > > 12 93.2 56.3 > > 13 86.0 52.0 > > 14 79.9 48.3 > > 15 74.5 45.1 > > 17 65.8 39.8 > > 19 58.8 35.6 > > 22 50.8 30.7 > > 25 44.7 27.0 > > 28 39.9 24.1 > > 32 34.9 21.1 > > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. > > > > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. > > > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > >> > >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm > >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom > >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new > >> set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you > >> get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, > >> but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a > >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean > >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra > >> level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the > >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality > >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read > >> on. > >> > >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm > >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get > >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run > >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps > >> between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the > >> cassette would seem to solve this. > >> > >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just > >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of > >> more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever > >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either > >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's > >> just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low > >> double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide > >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of > >> the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big > >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout > >> gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the > >> back. > >> > >> And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for > >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in > >> the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - > >> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4. 13-32 or 13-34 might be even > >> better, of course, nobody will ever make that. > >> > >> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of > >> this. > >> > >> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Ok, I'm a dork, was looking at the PG 1030 rather than the PG 1130. The 1130 does have the 11-12-13-14-15 at the bottom. Problem solved, now to implement... https://www.sram.com/sram/road/products/sram-pg-1130-cassette On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jim Bronsonwrote: > Ted, > > I got pretty excited when I saw your post > > The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates > the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end > and around 21 on the low end. > > However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( > > I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps > in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly. Is > it really so hard? *sniff*. > > -Jim > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted wrote: >> Jim, >> >> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that >> get you what you want with readily available cassettes. >> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings >> 4224 >> 11 99.3 56.7 >> 12 91.0 52.0 >> 13 84.0 48.0 >> 14 78.0 44.6 >> 15 72.8 41.6 >> 16 68.2 39.0 >> 17 64.2 36.7 >> 19 57.5 32.8 >> 22 49.6 28.4 >> 25 43.7 25.0 >> 28 39.0 22.3 >> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or >> 11-32 with 43/26 rings >> 4326 >> 11 101.6 61.5 >> 12 93.2 56.3 >> 13 86.0 52.0 >> 14 79.9 48.3 >> 15 74.5 45.1 >> 17 65.8 39.8 >> 19 58.8 35.6 >> 22 50.8 30.7 >> 25 44.7 27.0 >> 28 39.9 24.1 >> 32 34.9 21.1 >> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. >> >> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. >> >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: >>> >>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm >>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom >>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new >>> set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you >>> get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, >>> but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a >>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean >>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra >>> level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the >>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality >>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read >>> on. >>> >>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm >>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get >>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run >>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps >>> between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the >>> cassette would seem to solve this. >>> >>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just >>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of >>> more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever >>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either >>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's >>> just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low >>> double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide >>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of >>> the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big >>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout >>> gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the >>> back. >>> >>> And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for >>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in >>> the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - >>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4. 13-32 or 13-34 might be even >>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that. >>> >>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of >>> this. >>> >>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the >>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24 >>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple. But I don't have fenders on the >>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with >>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is. I could >>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and >>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way. >>> >>> So back to the 11 on the custom. Even Rivendell themselves built a >>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they? >>> >>> well anyway just musing. >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> signature goes here >> >>
[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Jim, I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that get you what you want with readily available cassettes. Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings 4224 11 99.3 56.7 12 91.0 52.0 13 84.0 48.0 14 78.0 44.6 15 72.8 41.6 16 68.2 39.0 17 64.2 36.7 19 57.5 32.8 22 49.6 28.4 25 43.7 25.0 28 39.0 22.3 Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or 11-32 with 43/26 rings 4326 11 101.6 61.5 12 93.2 56.3 13 86.0 52.0 14 79.9 48.3 15 74.5 45.1 17 65.8 39.8 19 58.8 35.6 22 50.8 30.7 25 44.7 27.0 28 39.9 24.1 32 34.9 21.1 Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > > So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm > not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom > currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new > set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you > get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, > but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a > new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean > 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra > level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the > point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality > parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read > on. > > I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm > thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get > more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run > 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps > between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the > cassette would seem to solve this. > > Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just > run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of > more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever > reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either > the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's > just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low > double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide > low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of > the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big > ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout > gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the > back. > > And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for > 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in > the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - > 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4. 13-32 or 13-34 might be even > better, of course, nobody will ever make that. > > Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of > this. > > Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the > triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24 > Rivendell issue Sugino triple. But I don't have fenders on the > Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with > 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is. I could > go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and > nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way. > > So back to the 11 on the custom. Even Rivendell themselves built a > 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they? > > well anyway just musing. > > -- > -- > signature goes here > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
no offense meant Bill. The 15-16 step is exactly what he (and I) wants. Jim, I think your're on to it... On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: > > That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it > takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my > purchase. > > One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could > just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect. The 12-25 > runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the > 12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32, > that would be excellent. > > 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25 > 11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32 > > I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each. That's > probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still > pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed > 11-34's. I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes. I do get > quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have > to endure the pain once every couple of years or so. > > Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the > 11 from the 11-32, if that's possible. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc> wrote: > > ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a > cliff > > anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to > 23 > > inches > > XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change > one > > middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - > below > > 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. > > > > > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > >> > >> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and > >> love them all. > >> > >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: > >>> > >>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. > IRD > >>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > -- > signature goes here > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
sorry Bill, you're wrong. You want the 16t cog, that's why you're doing this. Where you want 5" steps is right there around that 16t ring. When you get below 50" 8-9" steps are sufficient - besides, you'll have 4" steps below 50 inches on your bailout ring. This means something. I made a mistake, the 12-25 11sp Miche is Campy - in Shimano they make 11-23, so you would need a 12t first position, 29t last position, and at least one mid between 23t and 29t, and possibly one mid below 23t to round out your custom. This is exactly what I would do, again. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:05:44 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Nice find Joe. That IRD 11-speed 12-32 only misses the 16t (and actually > none of their 11sp cassettes have a 16). What Jim gains by losing the 16 > is a very smooth 19/21/23/25 progression before the 28/32 jumps. > >> -bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Ron Mc. What exactly am I wrong about ? I only said that the linked 11speed cassette lacks a 16. I made no comment about this being preferable or optimal. What is wrong about what I posted? If you don't mind explaining it to me. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my purchase. One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect. The 12-25 runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the 12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32, that would be excellent. 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25 11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32 I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each. That's probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed 11-34's. I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes. I do get quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have to endure the pain once every couple of years or so. Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the 11 from the 11-32, if that's possible. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mcwrote: > ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff > anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23 > inches > XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one > middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below > 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. > > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: >> >> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and >> love them all. >> >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: >>> >>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. IRD >>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- signature goes here -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Nothing specific about gearing, but on the general state of the 11spd price point: the new generation Tiagra (4700) uses the lever shape, crank configuration, and revised cable pull ratios (for easier shift effort) of the 11spd groups but is sticking with 10spds. Shimano tech reps describe it as "an 11spd group with 10 cogs" because it uses all of the technology of the new 11spd stuff but not the cog count. So, at least one more generation before 11spd gets down to the Tiagra level, and that may be a while--they don't update the mid/low end groups as frequently as the top three (Dura-Ace, Ultegra, 105). A couple of years ago I decided that 9spd was the good balance point for me in terms of being old enough to have wide availability, interchangeability, and good value, but new enough that quality parts were still available, and pretty much all of the derailleur bikes in my care now have 9spds. Now it seems like 9spd is rapidly shifting(!) towards the lower end--Shimano doesn't make 9spd stuff above the Sora/Alivio level anymore, which represents a pretty significant bump down in,materials quality and longevity of components versus Deore or 105. Hopefully third parties like IRD continue to support older cog counts with quality cassettes and smart gearing choices. The only place I'd really consider moving up to 10 or 11 currently is on my MTB, to be able to use a clutch RD. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > > So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset. I'm > not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom > currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new > set. One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you > get to pick your hubs. I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, > but probably not the Deore from the back. Being that I get to pick a > new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed. I mean > 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra > level sometime this year or next year. So, it's getting down to the > point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality > parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup. Why 11 in particular? Well, read > on. > > I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm > thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get > more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in. I run > 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front. Some of the gaps > between gears are just wider than I would like. More gears in the > cassette would seem to solve this. > > Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just > run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of > more gears in the range that you ride in. However, for whatever > reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well. Either > the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's > just never quite right. It seems much happier with the wide-low > double, never gives me any trouble at all. So I'd like to keep a wide > low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of > the time. Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big > ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout > gear anyway. So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the > back. > > And not just any 12-32. I'm looking for > 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32. This yields the following ratios in > the big ring per Sheldon: 99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - > 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4. 13-32 or 13-34 might be even > better, of course, nobody will ever make that. > > Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of > this. > > Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the > triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24 > Rivendell issue Sugino triple. But I don't have fenders on the > Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with > 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is. I could > go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and > nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way. > > So back to the 11 on the custom. Even Rivendell themselves built a > 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they? > > well anyway just musing. > > -- > -- > signature goes here > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For
RE: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Yes! http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and love them all. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: > > You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. IRD > also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. IRD also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23 inches XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and > love them all. > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: >> >> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. IRD >> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?
Nice find Joe. That IRD 11-speed 12-32 only misses the 16t (and actually none of their 11sp cassettes have a 16). What Jim gains by losing the 16 is a very smooth 19/21/23/25 progression before the 28/32 jumps. On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-8, jbartoe wrote: > > Yes! > > > http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible > > Joe > > Joe Bartoe > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. > email: j...@synapticcycles.com > website: www.synapticcycles.com > Twitter: @synapticcycles > phone: 949-374-6079 > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.