Re: Re: Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-16 Thread john . hawrylak
1  Avoiding Tire CollapseThe members who crashed or fell seemed to have pressures 50% below the Berto Pressure.  I chose 25% (or keeping the pressure >= 75% of the Berto Pressure) since it provides margin.  I see it as a Lower Limit I do not wan to be below.2  Supple TiresExperiment with 10% or 15% below the Berto pressure (or 85% to 90% of it) and see if it improves.  You are still above the 25% lower limit.I feel a supple tire would drop 15% at a pressure of 85% to 90% of the Berto Pressure.  The supple tires sound great, but they are not magic.I think Compass is leery of endorsing any pressure except the Mfg Pressure since they are dealer.  If they say, "just the lower the pressure" and someone does, and then crashes due to a collapsed tire, Compass may have liability problemsHope this helps  On 09/15/16, Lungimsam wrote: Thanks for the info and help.This makes an interesting study to see at what percentage underinflation from the Berto recommended pressures correlates with tire collapse. Looks like 25% so far.But I still wonder if Berto chart applies on supple tires with wide rims, as I think I read a BQ blog post ttat stated he used stouter tires on narrower rims for his study.@Steve:I like the 700c. I'll probably, at some point, experiment with 650b but don't know if that will work well. But I'm keeping it 700c for now. It rides great.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread Lungimsam
Thanks for the info and help.

This makes an interesting study to see at what percentage underinflation from 
the Berto recommended pressures correlates with tire collapse. Looks like 25% 
so far.

But I still wonder if Berto chart applies on supple tires with wide rims, as I 
think I read a BQ blog post ttat stated he used stouter tires on narrower rims 
for his study.

@Steve:
I like the 700c. I'll probably, at some point, experiment with 650b but don't 
know if that will work well. But I'm keeping it 700c for now. It rides great.

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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread john . hawrylak
LungimsamI would use pressures between 100% and 75% of the calculated F/R pressures. There should be enough room to find a comfortabe pressure John HawrylakWoodstown NJ  On 09/15/16, Lungimsam wrote: So then looks like 75psi front and rear would put me in the zone like the 45psi on the Bleriot would. Trouble is, last time I ran tires that high on a bike bike it made for some harsh riding.I have been thinking of a 650b conversion.The bb's of the Bleriot and Rambouillet are within .5cm of each other on these tires sets. Perhaps a 650b x 42 on the Rambouillet would get me close to that 24cm bb height. Same crank length as the Bleriot.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 09/15/2016 06:45 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

So then looks like 75psi front and rear would put me in the zone like the 45psi 
on the Bleriot would. Trouble is, last time I ran tires that high on a bike 
bike it made for some harsh riding.

I have been thinking of a 650b conversion.
The bb's of the Bleriot and Rambouillet are within .5cm of each other on these 
tires sets. Perhaps a 650b x 42 on the Rambouillet would get me close to that 
24cm bb height. Same crank length as the Bleriot.



Will your Rambouillet actually fit a 42mm tire?  I have the vague 
feeling I've seen that some will -- later ones -- but some of the 
earlier ones will not.


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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread Lungimsam
The 24cm is measured bottom of bb shell to  ground. 24 Bleriot 24.5 Rambouillet.

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread Lungimsam
So then looks like 75psi front and rear would put me in the zone like the 45psi 
on the Bleriot would. Trouble is, last time I ran tires that high on a bike 
bike it made for some harsh riding.

I have been thinking of a 650b conversion.
The bb's of the Bleriot and Rambouillet are within .5cm of each other on these 
tires sets. Perhaps a 650b x 42 on the Rambouillet would get me close to that 
24cm bb height. Same crank length as the Bleriot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread john . hawrylak
 Lungimsam28mm 203lb distributed 45%F 55%R and without and with 5lb front load and compared to a current 55psig FNo Front Load    68psig F / 84 psig R Front underinflated by 13psig or 19%.  Rear underinflated by 19psig or 23%5lb Front Load    72psig F / 84 psig R Front underinflated by 17psig or 24%.  Rear underinflated by 19psig or 23%Suggest not exceeding 25% Underinflated to preserve margin to tire collapse.John HawrylakWoodstown NJ  On 09/15/16, Lungimsam wrote: Ok, so now what if I am:175lb rider on 27.9 lbs of Rambouillet bike with -~5lb front load on 700c x 28mm Compass Chinook pass tires?I' m currently running them at 55psi, front and rear.Thanks for the info, guys!-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-15 Thread Lungimsam
Ok, so now what if I am:
175lb rider on 27.9 lbs of Rambouillet bike with -~5lb front load on 700c x 
28mm Compass Chinook pass tires?

I' m currently running them at 55psi, front and rear.

Thanks for the info, guys!

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-14 Thread Don Compton
Just FYI. I increased my rear tire to 75psi, but I have left my front tire 
at 60psi.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:16:21 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-14 Thread John Hawrylak
The values I posted, 47/54 psig were INCORRECT for a 38mm tire.  I 
mistakenly used the pressures calculated for a 35mm tire.  I apologize.

The pressure for the 203lb rider & bike for 38mm 
are   40psig F, 48psig R,
The pressures for the 203lb with 5lb extra on the Front for 38mm are  
42psig F, 48psig R

Both assume a 45%/55% distribution.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
  
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:41:21 PM UTC-4, GAJett wrote:

> Berto Tire Pressure App says 38 front, 52 rear.  So your 45 AVERAGE is 
> spot on!  It just needs to be redistributed.
> Cheers,
> GAJett
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 6:48:27 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front 
>> baggage, on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, 
>> where does that put me? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread GAJett
Berto Tire Pressure App says 38 front, 52 rear.  So your 45 AVERAGE is spot 
on!  It just needs to be redistributed.
Cheers,
GAJett

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 6:48:27 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, 
> on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does 
> that put me? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread Lungimsam
I remember an rbw employee who said if he ain't bottoming out, he's good.

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread John Hawrylak
Ron Mc wrote:  "The people who were exceptionally low also reported wrecks"

Yes, generally their tires were UNDERINFLATED by 25% to 50% of the 15% Tire 
Drop Calculated Pressure, from my review of the posts.

I would recommend maintain your tire pressure at between 75% to 100% of the 
15% Tire Drop Calculated (Berto value) pressure.  This provides a 
25% Safety Margin.

For example if the 15% Tire Drop Calculated pressure is 60 psig, then 
maintain between 45 psig to 60 psig in the tire.

I think this gives enough room to experiment with lower pressures and 
having a reasonable margin of safety.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread john . hawrylak
LungimsamFront should be 47 psig,  Rear should be 54 psig.   This is for a 45%/55% distribution for Rider & Bike and the 5lb load only applied to the FRONT wheel weight.Your 45psig/45psig results in the front at correct pressure and the rear underinflated by 9 psig (17% low).John HawrylakWoodstown NJ   On 09/13/16, Lungimsam wrote: So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does that put me? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread Brian Campbell
Put enough air in your tires. Go for a ride. Let some out or put some in 
depending on what you think of the ride. Repeat process as/if necessary. 
There is no absolute. 

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread Lungimsam
So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, 
on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does 
that put me? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-13 Thread Ron Mc
on the last tire pressure thread, one of the posters plugged everybody's 
replies back into the Berto graphs and found out we were all but a couple 
riding within a narrow error window on those graphs - we have naturally 
gravitated there.  The people who were exceptionally low also reported 
wrecks.  The people who were exceptionally high?  Well, I guess they get 
short tire life, ride rough and bounce.  

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:22:22 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> But werent Bertos calculations on stiff tires? Much stiffer than the 
> sidewalls many use today? Compass, GB, etc.
>
> Also on narrower rims than used today?
>
> So does his table really apply anymore?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-12 Thread Lungimsam
But werent Bertos calculations on stiff tires? Much stiffer than the sidewalls 
many use today? Compass, GB, etc.

Also on narrower rims than used today?

So does his table really apply anymore?

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-12 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks again for this. I'll try 55/65 or so, though because my only high
pressure (ie, > 30 psi) gauge is the doubtful one on the pump, I'll have to
get another one. The other day the pump gauge said 20-25 for the 51 mm F
Freds, but the low pressure gauge showed ~ 15 in front; and indeed it felt
soft to my thumb.

Does anyone have a road Presta valve gauge to sell cheap or to trade?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:11 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> Patrick
>
> 15% TDC pressures for a 32mm El Pass for YOUR 200# Total Weight (175+25)
> is 52/64 psig F/R.  So YES 65/70 psig F/R would be HIGH
> 13 psig high in F
>   6 psig high in R.
>
> The rear is reasonable.  The front probably could lose 10 psig.
>
> From the responses in another post on Tire Prressure, 2 or 3 members
> crashed due to collapse tires from UNDERINFLATION.  They were generally
> more than 25% under inflated, i.e., actual pressure was << 75% of 15% TDC
> pressure via Berto.
>
> I feel if you religiously maintain pressures >= 75% of the 15% TDC
> pressure, you will be safe from collapsing tires, yet enjoy the benefits of
> lower pressure,i.e., a good compromise
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:45:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, John. I read Berto's article -- was it published in Bicycling? --
>> years ago, but I've never bothered to be as exact as the method entails. My
>> thumbs and forefingers are pretty well educated by now, and I am thinking
>> that even 65/70 for the Elk Passes is a wee bit high for my taste, unless I
>> carry a heavy rear load. I think 60/65 or what my fingers feel when the
>> pump reads those numbers might be smoother.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-12 Thread John Hawrylak
Patrick

15% TDC pressures for a 32mm El Pass for YOUR 200# Total Weight (175+25) is 
52/64 psig F/R.  So YES 65/70 psig F/R would be HIGH
13 psig high in F
  6 psig high in R.

The rear is reasonable.  The front probably could lose 10 psig.

>From the responses in another post on Tire Prressure, 2 or 3 members 
crashed due to collapse tires from UNDERINFLATION.  They were generally 
more than 25% under inflated, i.e., actual pressure was << 75% of 15% TDC 
pressure via Berto.

I feel if you religiously maintain pressures >= 75% of the 15% TDC 
pressure, you will be safe from collapsing tires, yet enjoy the benefits of 
lower pressure,i.e., a good compromise

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:45:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, John. I read Berto's article -- was it published in Bicycling? -- 
> years ago, but I've never bothered to be as exact as the method entails. My 
> thumbs and forefingers are pretty well educated by now, and I am thinking 
> that even 65/70 for the Elk Passes is a wee bit high for my taste, unless I 
> carry a heavy rear load. I think 60/65 or what my fingers feel when the 
> pump reads those numbers might be smoother.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Don Compton
Fortunately or unfortunately, I have another new Grand Bois 28 Cerf,so it 
will be awhile until I need to purchase new tires. When I finally wear them 
out I am going to buy some Compass 700x32 extra lights. Some complain about 
the price of Grand Bois and Compass tires, but I get my money's worth 
because of their long wear compared to typical expensive race tires.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:16:21 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, John. I read Berto's article -- was it published in Bicycling? --
years ago, but I've never bothered to be as exact as the method entails. My
thumbs and forefingers are pretty well educated by now, and I am thinking
that even 65/70 for the Elk Passes is a wee bit high for my taste, unless I
carry a heavy rear load. I think 60/65 or what my fingers feel when the
pump reads those numbers might be smoother.

Segue: Nodding to Eric's mental Citroen, I briefly owned a 2 CV-derived
Acadian van, which has such supple suspension that I could drive at 15-20
mph over the sharp bumps installed in parking lots without undue jarring.
More gradual bumps, as on 25 mph-limit roads, could be taken at 35-40 with
no undue jounce or bounce. And, the van would carry 4 58 c-c bikes with
front wheels installed and saddles and bars in proper places.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> Opps , hit something & it got sent unfinished
>
> Patrick
>
> Here are the tire pressures for the 15% tire drop method for the weights
> and widths you specified:
>
> 175 Lb  + 20 lb  =  195 lb total weight  45%/55% distribution
>23  27  29
> F 89 69   61
> R 112  86   75
>
> 175 Lb  + 25 lb  =  200 lb total weight  45%/55% distribution
>23  27  29
> F 92 71   62
> R11488  77
>
> Can't do 51mm widths
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 175 rider + bike at sub 20 and another sub 25. Elk Pass tires, measuring
>> ~27 and ~29 respectively; run at ~65-70. I don't sweat digits f/r, but I do
>> use the pinch test to get front a wee bit softer. In fact, were it not for
>> the gauge on the pump, which for all I know may be defective, I'd just go
>> by feel -- indeed, I do, since the reported pressures are chosen because
>> they feel right to my fingers.
>>
>> When I used 23 mm tires on these bikes, I'd pump those to~80/85 or 80/90.
>>
>> 51 mm Furious Freds with at least half miles on sandy dirt: ~18/22 or
>> 20/25. I'm pretty sure that the pump gauge reads too high, and I
>> occasionally check with my low pressure gauge.
>>
>> I remember long ago, circa 1972, learning to pump my Raleigh Sprite's
>> cheap 27 X 1 1/4 tires to the 70 psi marked on the sidewall. What a
>> difference! Higher pressures *certainly do* improve rolling, at least
>> the feel (and no, not any goddam buzz; they were easier to pedal and went
>> faster) compared to too soft -- I've verified this any number of times with
>> cheap tires with heavy sidewalls. The roads in question ranged from super
>> smooth to normally worn, nothing terrible or chipseal.
>>
>> Question: just went out to check tires with gauges and found that the
>> high pressure one -- to 160 psi; steel and brass -- doesn't register
>> anything despite an open valve core and road pressures as above. Does
>> anyone have any idea about what might be wrong with it, and how to fix it?
>>
>> Does anyone have a road presta gauge, reasonably accurate, to trade for
>> something or sell for a few bucks?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread John Hawrylak
Opps , hit something & it got sent unfinished

Patrick 

Here are the tire pressures for the 15% tire drop method for the weights 
and widths you specified:

175 Lb  + 20 lb  =  195 lb total weight  45%/55% distribution
   23  27  29
F 89 69   61   
R 112  86   75

175 Lb  + 25 lb  =  200 lb total weight  45%/55% distribution
   23  27  29
F 92 71   62  
R11488  77

Can't do 51mm widths

John Hawrylak
Woodstown

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> 175 rider + bike at sub 20 and another sub 25. Elk Pass tires, measuring 
> ~27 and ~29 respectively; run at ~65-70. I don't sweat digits f/r, but I do 
> use the pinch test to get front a wee bit softer. In fact, were it not for 
> the gauge on the pump, which for all I know may be defective, I'd just go 
> by feel -- indeed, I do, since the reported pressures are chosen because 
> they feel right to my fingers.
>
> When I used 23 mm tires on these bikes, I'd pump those to~80/85 or 80/90.
>
> 51 mm Furious Freds with at least half miles on sandy dirt: ~18/22 or 
> 20/25. I'm pretty sure that the pump gauge reads too high, and I 
> occasionally check with my low pressure gauge.
>
> I remember long ago, circa 1972, learning to pump my Raleigh Sprite's 
> cheap 27 X 1 1/4 tires to the 70 psi marked on the sidewall. What a 
> difference! Higher pressures *certainly do* improve rolling, at least the 
> feel (and no, not any goddam buzz; they were easier to pedal and went 
> faster) compared to too soft -- I've verified this any number of times with 
> cheap tires with heavy sidewalls. The roads in question ranged from super 
> smooth to normally worn, nothing terrible or chipseal. 
>
> Question: just went out to check tires with gauges and found that the high 
> pressure one -- to 160 psi; steel and brass -- doesn't register anything 
> despite an open valve core and road pressures as above. Does anyone have 
> any idea about what might be wrong with it, and how to fix it?
>
> Does anyone have a road presta gauge, reasonably accurate, to trade for 
> something or sell for a few bucks?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread John Hawrylak
Patrick

Here are the tire pressures for the 15% tire drop method for the weights 
and widths you specified:

175 Lb  + 25 lb  =  195 lb total weight
   23  27
F
R

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> 175 rider + bike at sub 20 and another sub 25. Elk Pass tires, measuring 
> ~27 and ~29 respectively; run at ~65-70. I don't sweat digits f/r, but I do 
> use the pinch test to get front a wee bit softer. In fact, were it not for 
> the gauge on the pump, which for all I know may be defective, I'd just go 
> by feel -- indeed, I do, since the reported pressures are chosen because 
> they feel right to my fingers.
>
> When I used 23 mm tires on these bikes, I'd pump those to~80/85 or 80/90.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Patrick Moore
I find that even good bike shops pump tires much too hard; there is a "too
hard" even for cheap Kendas. When I pump tires for customers or friends, I
try to leave a wee bit of cush -- the sweet spot is vanishingly small with
cheap, thick-sidewalled tires.

Odd: I used otherwise very decent 559 X 32 Paselas for many years and
miles, and found that they too had a small sweet spot between harsh and
spongy. Kojaks are far better in this regard, and the Elk Passes better
yet. Paselas rolled well if you hit the spot, though. (Paselas also flat
much more easily, their sidewalls tear and wear and degradef easily, and
skidding will peal off chunks of tread. My experience.)

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> On a side note, I took my sister in law to a few shops to test ride a
> bunch of bikes and found that a common complaint she had was they were too
> harsh. Well, the tires were all pumped up to rock hard!! Not to mention
> most stock tires on the hybrids we were looking at are not the supple ones
> we've been appreciating!
>
> Supple and soft,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread john . hawrylak
Ok, what is the actual width.  I interpolate on the slope and intercept of the published curves to get the curve for say a 29.5mm width.  tell me the actual width and I can get the 15% TDC pressure.John HawrylakWoodstown NJ   On 09/11/16, Don Compton wrote: Berto's old method does not take into consideration the benefits of wider rims.On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 9:06:17 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:Don28mm tires at 60psig F & 70psig R supports a TOTAL Weight (rider & bike) of 175 to 180 lb for a 15% Tire Drop (Berto's method) assuming a 45%F and 55%R weight distribution (typical Rando)..John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:16:21 AM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Edwin W
On a side note, I took my sister in law to a few shops to test ride a bunch of 
bikes and found that a common complaint she had was they were too harsh. Well, 
the tires were all pumped up to rock hard!! Not to mention most stock tires on 
the hybrids we were looking at are not the supple ones we've been appreciating!

Supple and soft,

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Patrick Moore
175 rider + bike at sub 20 and another sub 25. Elk Pass tires, measuring
~27 and ~29 respectively; run at ~65-70. I don't sweat digits f/r, but I do
use the pinch test to get front a wee bit softer. In fact, were it not for
the gauge on the pump, which for all I know may be defective, I'd just go
by feel -- indeed, I do, since the reported pressures are chosen because
they feel right to my fingers.

When I used 23 mm tires on these bikes, I'd pump those to~80/85 or 80/90.

51 mm Furious Freds with at least half miles on sandy dirt: ~18/22 or
20/25. I'm pretty sure that the pump gauge reads too high, and I
occasionally check with my low pressure gauge.

I remember long ago, circa 1972, learning to pump my Raleigh Sprite's cheap
27 X 1 1/4 tires to the 70 psi marked on the sidewall. What a difference!
Higher pressures *certainly do* improve rolling, at least the feel (and no,
not any goddam buzz; they were easier to pedal and went faster) compared to
too soft -- I've verified this any number of times with cheap tires with
heavy sidewalls. The roads in question ranged from super smooth to normally
worn, nothing terrible or chipseal.

Question: just went out to check tires with gauges and found that the high
pressure one -- to 160 psi; steel and brass -- doesn't register anything
despite an open valve core and road pressures as above. Does anyone have
any idea about what might be wrong with it, and how to fix it?

Does anyone have a road presta gauge, reasonably accurate, to trade for
something or sell for a few bucks?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Don Compton
Berto's old method does not take into consideration the benefits of wider 
rims.

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 9:06:17 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Don
>
> 28mm tires at 60psig F & 70psig R supports a TOTAL Weight (rider & bike) 
> of 175 to 180 lb for a 15% Tire Drop (Berto's method) assuming a 45%F and 
> 55%R weight distribution (typical Rando)..
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:16:21 AM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
>> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I 
>> finally lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
>> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread Lungimsam
I got ~175lbs rider + ~27.5 lbs bike + ~7 lbs.bag on both my Rivbikes at 
any given time riding on Compass rubber:

Bleriot with 650b x 38 Loup Loup- 45psi front and rear
Rambouillet with 700c x 28 Chinook - 55psi front and rear

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
With the 700x38 Barlowe Pass on the Hilsen and the 650x42 Babyshoes on the new 
MAP and the lowest pressures I can get away with, I INTENTIONALLY ride on 
rumble strips because even after riding these supple Compass tires for a couple 
of years I still can't get over how damn comfortable they are. 

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

2016-09-11 Thread John Hawrylak
Don

28mm tires at 60psig F & 70psig R supports a TOTAL Weight (rider & bike) of 
175 to 180 lb for a 15% Tire Drop (Berto's method) assuming a 45%F and 55%R 
weight distribution (typical Rando)..

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:16:21 AM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:

> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
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