Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine wrote: > I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended > backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops > below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the > weight down at the same time. > Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty attractive option if you're willing to spend the money. But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing beats a hammock in my opinion. Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware upgrade: http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up. I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the fly from my Hennessey: http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent: http://www.rei.com/product/71 It's 1.5 lbs and about $50. I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the weight down at the same time. As for the Trangia or any other alcohol stove, yes, I like. I use the trangia while both backpacking and cycle touring. I have never blackened a pot with alcohol, one of the things I like about using it. Also, if you spill any inside your back or tent, it harms nothing and leaves no odor. One problem is that they are so quiet that you can forget they are lit and singe yourself if not careful, particularly when burning in daylight when the blue flame is even more difficult to see. I purchased an aftermarket windscreen for my Trangia kit that has greatly enhanced is functionality. I bought it from a company called Clickstand (not to be confused with the company that makes bike stands callled Click-Stand). Here is their link: http://www.clikstand.com/ From: Rene Sterental To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:59:28 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent? Has anyone tried the ENO hammocks? They have a bug net and also a rain fly as part of their system. In Venezuela I learned to sleep in hammocks and this system seems like the perfect solution when you don't want to pack a tent. I also use the Trangia and love it. I use denaturated alcohol and dony get qny soot. So far I've only use it to boil water for the dried food bags. Another advantage is that its completely safe. René On 7/17/10, Michael_S wrote: > In the Backcountry with good weather... under the stars is the best. > > Campground that has other people around, I like tents for security and > privacy, regardless of weather. > > ~Mike~ > > On Jul 17, 5:56 pm, EricP wrote: >> Am a tent person. But always have a tendency to overpack. Even for >> S24O. Plus, I like the privacy a tent provides. Especially at a >> campground. >> >> Another idea could be a bivy sack. Small enough to fit in a >> saddlebag, but gives some protection from the elements and bugs. >> >> Have discovered through festivals that while mosquitos quiet down a >> bit after dark, they never seem to disappear. Sometimes makes >> jamming, um, interesting. >> >> Eric Platt >> St. Paul, MN >> >> On Jul 17, 6:06 pm, velomann wrote: >> >> >> >> > Whoops - forgot the link to the Ray-Way tarp >> > tent:http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Tarp-Kit/index.htm >> >> > On Jul 17, 4:03 pm, velomann wrote: >> >> > > I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- >> > > way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a >> > > tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a >> > > possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have >> > > never used it. have yet to camp in conditions where the bugs are >> > > terrible in the middle of the night, and a couple bites doesn't really >> > > bother me much; worth the price to sleep under the stars, IMHO. >> >> > > You can also buy something similar pretty cheap, like Kent Peterson >> > > describes >> > > here:http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/05/closer-to-fine.html >> >> > > Keep it simple and light. >> >> > > On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike wrote: >> >> > > > So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O >> > > > where >> > > > I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second >> > > > day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm >> > > > tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's >> > > > gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and >> > > > it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of >> > > > nixing >> > > > the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF >> > > > and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people >> > > > think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll >> > > > take the tent. >> >> > > > Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one >> > > > day >> > > > which totally wrecked me last year. >> >> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ >> >> > > > R
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
Has anyone tried the ENO hammocks? They have a bug net and also a rain fly as part of their system. In Venezuela I learned to sleep in hammocks and this system seems like the perfect solution when you don't want to pack a tent. I also use the Trangia and love it. I use denaturated alcohol and dony get qny soot. So far I've only use it to boil water for the dried food bags. Another advantage is that its completely safe. René On 7/17/10, Michael_S wrote: > In the Backcountry with good weather... under the stars is the best. > > Campground that has other people around, I like tents for security and > privacy, regardless of weather. > > ~Mike~ > > On Jul 17, 5:56 pm, EricP wrote: >> Am a tent person. But always have a tendency to overpack. Even for >> S24O. Plus, I like the privacy a tent provides. Especially at a >> campground. >> >> Another idea could be a bivy sack. Small enough to fit in a >> saddlebag, but gives some protection from the elements and bugs. >> >> Have discovered through festivals that while mosquitos quiet down a >> bit after dark, they never seem to disappear. Sometimes makes >> jamming, um, interesting. >> >> Eric Platt >> St. Paul, MN >> >> On Jul 17, 6:06 pm, velomann wrote: >> >> >> >> > Whoops - forgot the link to the Ray-Way tarp >> > tent:http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Tarp-Kit/index.htm >> >> > On Jul 17, 4:03 pm, velomann wrote: >> >> > > I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- >> > > way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a >> > > tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a >> > > possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have >> > > never used it. have yet to camp in conditions where the bugs are >> > > terrible in the middle of the night, and a couple bites doesn't really >> > > bother me much; worth the price to sleep under the stars, IMHO. >> >> > > You can also buy something similar pretty cheap, like Kent Peterson >> > > describes >> > > here:http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/05/closer-to-fine.html >> >> > > Keep it simple and light. >> >> > > On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike wrote: >> >> > > > So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O >> > > > where >> > > > I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second >> > > > day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm >> > > > tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's >> > > > gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and >> > > > it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of >> > > > nixing >> > > > the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF >> > > > and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people >> > > > think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll >> > > > take the tent. >> >> > > > Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one >> > > > day >> > > > which totally wrecked me last year. >> >> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ >> >> > > > Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. >> >> > > > --mike- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
Good question. I've always used a white gas stove when I toured, but it's difficult to buy white gas in touring amounts. Moreover, the gas stoves I've had have either been noisy (MSR Dragonfly) or unable to maintain a low enough heat to cook things like rice and pancakes (every other gas stove I've had). I don't like cartridge stoves because I don't like the idea of disposable cartridges. The Esbit stove is cute, but again it's hard to resupply the fuel. And the Esbit doesn't put out a lot of heat. So far, the Trangia alcohol stove is working out. It got hot enough to cook noodles last night and quickly boil water for coffee this morning, but I was able to moderate the heat for pancakes. And it's blessedly silent. I'm not sure I'm using exactly the right fuel, though. The can is labelled Denatured Alcohol/Marine Stove Fuel, but I thought alcohol wasn't supposed to soot up pots, and this stuff is sooting them up in a big way. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Why alcohol rather than any of the alternatives? > -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 14:00 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote: > > I tested out my new alcohol stove. I'm happy to report that my > experiment with pancakes spread with Nutella was a huge success, and > that recipe will now be included in my touring repertoire. Why alcohol rather than any of the alternatives? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Mike wrote: > So tent or no tent for an S24O? I just got back from a S25O fifteen minutes ago. I was very glad of my tent-- mosquitos AND flies AND some kind of swarming beetle made me happy to be able to retreat at the end of the day. The next morning, there the mosquitos were again. I tested out my new alcohol stove. I'm happy to report that my experiment with pancakes spread with Nutella was a huge success, and that recipe will now be included in my touring repertoire. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
I've never used a tent on S24Os, but don't live in OR... try leaving it if the forecast is solid. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Mike wrote: > So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where > I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second > day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm > tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's > gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and > it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing > the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF > and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people > think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll > take the tent. > > Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day > which totally wrecked me last year. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ > > Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?
So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
