[RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question
Hi all - My first time posting...I've been wanting to get a steel lugged bike for a while now to use for commuting, grocery shopping, rides with the kids...basically an all around general bike to use when I'm not riding a road bike. I've finally landed on the Sam, and have been saving to get enough $ to do a complete build. I'm about half way there, and discovered on their website that it seems the 56cm only comes with a double top tube. I emailed a few days ago to ask if this is the case, but haven't heard back. So, here's what I'm wondering - is the 56cm Sam only with a double top tube now? If so, what would you suggest as some other options? I really like the look and the idea of the Sam, but honestly don't like the look of the double top tube at all...and if I'm spending that much, I want to love not only the feel of it when I ride, but also I want to love the look of it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question
Hey Mike, I don't have the answer about the double top tube but I enjoy looking at my bike almost as much as riding it! Especially after a complete take apart and cleaning! > Hi all - > > My first time posting...I've been wanting to get a steel lugged bike > for a while now to use for commuting, grocery shopping, rides with the > kids...basically an all around general bike to use when I'm not riding > a road bike. > > I've finally landed on the Sam, and have been saving to get enough $ > to do a complete build. I'm about half way there, and discovered on > their website that it seems the 56cm only comes with a double top > tube. I emailed a few days ago to ask if this is the case, but haven't > heard back. > > So, here's what I'm wondering - is the 56cm Sam only with a double top > tube now? If so, what would you suggest as some other options? I > really like the look and the idea of the Sam, but honestly don't like > the look of the double top tube at all...and if I'm spending that > much, I want to love not only the feel of it when I ride, but also I > want to love the look of it > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question
Mike, You may want to contact the Country Bike Shop in Celina, Ohio at WWW.CountryBikeshop.com They are an exclusive Riv dealer and the last time I was there they had some 56 Sams with a single TT. Steve Hemmelgarn From: Mike Goldsworthy To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question Hi all - My first time posting...I've been wanting to get a steel lugged bike for a while now to use for commuting, grocery shopping, rides with the kids...basically an all around general bike to use when I'm not riding a road bike. I've finally landed on the Sam, and have been saving to get enough $ to do a complete build. I'm about half way there, and discovered on their website that it seems the 56cm only comes with a double top tube. I emailed a few days ago to ask if this is the case, but haven't heard back. So, here's what I'm wondering - is the 56cm Sam only with a double top tube now? If so, what would you suggest as some other options? I really like the look and the idea of the Sam, but honestly don't like the look of the double top tube at all...and if I'm spending that much, I want to love not only the feel of it when I ride, but also I want to love the look of it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question
If not, Harris has an orange one on the floor. Elton Pope-Lance Natick, MA On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Hemmelgarn wrote: > Mike, > > You may want to contact the Country Bike Shop in Celina, Ohio at > WWW.CountryBikeshop.com > > They are an exclusive Riv dealer and the last time I was there they had some > 56 Sams with a single TT. > > Steve Hemmelgarn > > From: Mike Goldsworthy > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:13 PM > Subject: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question > > Hi all - > > My first time posting...I've been wanting to get a steel lugged bike > for a while now to use for commuting, grocery shopping, rides with the > kids...basically an all around general bike to use when I'm not riding > a road bike. > > I've finally landed on the Sam, and have been saving to get enough $ > to do a complete build. I'm about half way there, and discovered on > their website that it seems the 56cm only comes with a double top > tube. I emailed a few days ago to ask if this is the case, but haven't > heard back. > > So, here's what I'm wondering - is the 56cm Sam only with a double top > tube now? If so, what would you suggest as some other options? I > really like the look and the idea of the Sam, but honestly don't like > the look of the double top tube at all...and if I'm spending that > much, I want to love not only the feel of it when I ride, but also I > want to love the look of it > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question
i'll take a look at it. thanks! what's the difference between the san marcos, AHH and Atlantis? On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:15 PM, DustyMerkin wrote: > Have you looked at the Soma San Marcos, the 54cm does not have the 2TT but I > believe the geometry is similar to the 56cm but not sure. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p8xMS9KuPU0J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to work well in the following ways: as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance is wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in 99 through 2001 only got to about 1.9. as an excellent touring bike and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road handling and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part of the versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting spots. In the earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of the all-rounder was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the Bridgestone days, when they were one of the few companies making "hybrids" based around the more useful at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading is even considered. When Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would continue this 26-inch wheel design, and that was one of the features that made me want one then. But early in Rivendell's existence, they started not liking the 26-inch wheels on the larger sizes, and began selling the larger ones with 700c wheels and the smaller ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, this bummed me out until I was convinced that in the late 90's, offroad 700c tires, even 2-inch varieties, were beginning to blossom, mostly from WTB and Schwalbe. In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder qualities described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring behavior, the offroad capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. It's an amazing bike, and it's still available as originally designed, only now it has more rack braze-ons for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I speak from experience regarding the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it really can do everything I would want to do riding. All my other bikes are specialists in some specific cycling arena that the Atlantis can hold its own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain biking, commuting, sub-24-hour overnighters, country biking with long days and mixed surfaces. What the Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is touring rides that include camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the smaller sizes. Amazing bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production models, but worth it. And the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't long for 26ers much anymore. Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream now so excited about these modern "29ers!" A Homer Hilsen: Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, you like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable for a long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and you like road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, you want to do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are between 32 mm and 40 mm, because you've discovered what an awesome size that is, including for road rides. Also, because you like that tire width so much, you don't want to scale the tire down just to mount a fender. If so, then the A Homer Hilsen is the bike. Also, the A Homer Hilsen has a cool refinement: dual pivot sidepulls work well and still provide the clearance needed to do what's described above. Another way of describing what's above for the AHH is to say that it sort of splits the difference between the Rivendell Atlantis and the Rivendell Road model. So the AHH is a refinement of the all-rounder, moved closer to the road end of the spectrum. Or maybe it's the other way around, because the tubing of the AHH is lighter like the road models. The Atlantis uses more sturdy tubes for its loaded duties and probably greater offroad duties. The AHH probably tours for days on end better than many bikes that have been taken for days-on-end touring by many people for the past 50 years. I'll be that big-tire, fast road-biking is something that few people know exists, and I'll bet the AHH is the best bike in the world at it. Also, Rivendell calls the AHH a country bike. You should read Grant's description of the term "country bike." I'll
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Correction/clarification: The Atlantis does now succeed in achieving the 2-inch tire clearance. Maybe more, I'm not sure. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: > > Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! > > The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of > their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to > work well in the following ways: > > as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. > as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance > is wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in > 99 through 2001 only got to about 1.9. > as an excellent touring bike > and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. > > The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes > which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a > pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than > the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road > handling and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part > of the versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting > spots. In the earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of > the all-rounder was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the > Bridgestone days, when they were one of the few companies making "hybrids" > based around the more useful at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading > is even considered. When Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would > continue this 26-inch wheel design, and that was one of the features that > made me want one then. But early in Rivendell's existence, they started not > liking the 26-inch wheels on the larger sizes, and began selling the larger > ones with 700c wheels and the smaller ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, > this bummed me out until I was convinced that in the late 90's, offroad 700c > tires, even 2-inch varieties, were beginning to blossom, mostly from WTB and > Schwalbe. > > In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly > expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost > less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder > qualities described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring > behavior, the offroad capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. > It's an amazing bike, and it's still available as originally designed, only > now it has more rack braze-ons for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I > speak from experience regarding the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it > really can do everything I would want to do riding. All my other bikes are > specialists in some specific cycling arena that the Atlantis can hold its > own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain biking, commuting, sub-24-hour > overnighters, country biking with long days and mixed surfaces. What the > Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is touring rides that include > camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the smaller sizes. Amazing > bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production models, but worth it. And > the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't long for 26ers much anymore. > Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream now so excited about > these modern "29ers!" > > A Homer Hilsen: > Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say > you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, > you like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable > for a long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and > you like road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, > you want to do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are > between 32 mm and 40 mm, because you've discovered what an awesome size that > is, including for road rides. Also, because you like that tire width so much, > you don't want to scale the tire down just to mount a fender. If so, then the > A Homer Hilsen is the bike. Also, the A Homer Hilsen has a cool refinement: > dual pivot sidepulls work well and still provide the clearance needed to do > what's described above. > > Another way of describing what's above for the AHH is to say that it sort of > splits the difference between the Rivendell Atlantis and the Rivendell Road > model. So the AHH is a refinement of the all-rounder, moved closer to the > road end of the spectrum. Or maybe it's the other way around, because the > tubing of the AHH is lighter like the road models. The Atlantis uses more > sturdy tubes for its loaded duties and probably greater offroad duties. > > The AHH probably tours for days on end better than many bikes that have been >
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Jim - that's incredibly helpful. Thanks do much for this! Mike --- yes it's short & it may be misspelled because it was "Sent from my iPhone" On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: > > Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! > > The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of > their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to > work well in the following ways: > > as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. > as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance > is wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in > 99 through 2001 only got to about 1.9. > as an excellent touring bike > and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. > > The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes > which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a > pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than > the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road > handling and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part > of the versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting > spots. In the earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of > the all-rounder was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the > Bridgestone days, when they were one of the few companies making "hybrids" > based around the more useful at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading > is even considered. When Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would > continue this 26-inch wheel design, and that was one of the features that > made me want one then. But early in Rivendell's existence, they started not > liking the 26-inch wheels on the larger sizes, and began selling the larger > ones with 700c wheels and the smaller ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, > this bummed me out until I was convinced that in the late 90's, offroad 700c > tires, even 2-inch varieties, were beginning to blossom, mostly from WTB and > Schwalbe. > > In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly > expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost > less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder > qualities described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring > behavior, the offroad capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. > It's an amazing bike, and it's still available as originally designed, only > now it has more rack braze-ons for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I > speak from experience regarding the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it > really can do everything I would want to do riding. All my other bikes are > specialists in some specific cycling arena that the Atlantis can hold its > own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain biking, commuting, sub-24-hour > overnighters, country biking with long days and mixed surfaces. What the > Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is touring rides that include > camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the smaller sizes. Amazing > bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production models, but worth it. And > the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't long for 26ers much anymore. > Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream now so excited about > these modern "29ers!" > > A Homer Hilsen: > Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say > you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, > you like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable > for a long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and > you like road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, > you want to do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are > between 32 mm and 40 mm, because you've discovered what an awesome size that > is, including for road rides. Also, because you like that tire width so much, > you don't want to scale the tire down just to mount a fender. If so, then the > A Homer Hilsen is the bike. Also, the A Homer Hilsen has a cool refinement: > dual pivot sidepulls work well and still provide the clearance needed to do > what's described above. > > Another way of describing what's above for the AHH is to say that it sort of > splits the difference between the Rivendell Atlantis and the Rivendell Road > model. So the AHH is a refinement of the all-rounder, moved closer to the > road end of the spectrum. Or maybe it's the other way around, because the > tubing of the AHH is lighter like the road models. The Atlantis uses more > sturdy tubes for its loaded duties and probably greater offroad duties. > > The AHH probably tours for days on end better than man
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
I know you are thinking all of this thru. you shouldn't rush. readd all the posts and the Riv site as well. Read cyclofiends info, too. Check out the various photo sets, etc. I just wanted you to know that I will be off-line for the next few hours, so if you were to email me, a response is not likely until this evening. Going on a Marin County ride between storms! From: Mike Goldsworthy To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" Sent: Sat, January 21, 2012 9:19:56 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models Jim - that's incredibly helpful. Thanks do much for this! Mike --- yes it's short & it may be misspelled because it was "Sent from my iPhone" On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: >Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! > > >The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of >their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to >work well in the following ways: > > >as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. >as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance >is >wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in 99 >through 2001 only got to about 1.9. >as an excellent touring bike >and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. > > >The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes >which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a >pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than >the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road handling >and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part of the >versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting spots. In >the >earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of the >all-rounder >was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the Bridgestone days, when >they were one of the few companies making "hybrids" based around the more >useful >at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading is even considered. When >Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would continue this 26-inch wheel >design, and that was one of the features that made me want one then. But early >in Rivendell's existence, they started not liking the 26-inch wheels on the >larger sizes, and began selling the larger ones with 700c wheels and the >smaller >ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, this bummed me out until I was >convinced >that in the late 90's, offroad 700c tires, even 2-inch varieties, were >beginning >to blossom, mostly from WTB and Schwalbe. > > >In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly >expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost >less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder qualities >described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring behavior, the >offroad >capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. It's an amazing bike, >and >it's still available as originally designed, only now it has more rack >braze-ons >for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I speak from experience regarding >the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it really can do everything I would want >to do riding. All my other bikes are specialists in some specific cycling >arena >that the Atlantis can hold its own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain >biking, commuting, sub-24-hour overnighters, country biking with long days and >mixed surfaces. What the Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is >touring rides that include camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the >smaller sizes. Amazing bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production >models, but worth it. And the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't >long >for 26ers much anymore. Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream >now so excited about these modern "29ers!" > > >A Homer Hilsen: >Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say >you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, you >like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable for a >long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and you >like >road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, you want to >do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are between 32 mm and >4
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Jim, Excellent! If Jim Cyclofiend wasn't swamped I'd move that he add this to the Cyclofiend site. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: > > Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! > > The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of > their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to > work well in the following ways: > > as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. > as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance > is wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in > 99 through 2001 only got to about 1.9. > as an excellent touring bike > and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. > > The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes > which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a > pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than > the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road > handling and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part > of the versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting > spots. In the earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of > the all-rounder was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the > Bridgestone days, when they were one of the few companies making "hybrids" > based around the more useful at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading > is even considered. When Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would > continue this 26-inch wheel design, and that was one of the features that > made me want one then. But early in Rivendell's existence, they started not > liking the 26-inch wheels on the larger sizes, and began selling the larger > ones with 700c wheels and the smaller ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, > this bummed me out until I was convinced that in the late 90's, offroad 700c > tires, even 2-inch varieties, were beginning to blossom, mostly from WTB and > Schwalbe. > > In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly > expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost > less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder > qualities described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring > behavior, the offroad capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. > It's an amazing bike, and it's still available as originally designed, only > now it has more rack braze-ons for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I > speak from experience regarding the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it > really can do everything I would want to do riding. All my other bikes are > specialists in some specific cycling arena that the Atlantis can hold its > own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain biking, commuting, sub-24-hour > overnighters, country biking with long days and mixed surfaces. What the > Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is touring rides that include > camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the smaller sizes. Amazing > bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production models, but worth it. And > the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't long for 26ers much anymore. > Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream now so excited about > these modern "29ers!" > > A Homer Hilsen: > Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say > you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, > you like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable > for a long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and > you like road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, > you want to do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are > between 32 mm and 40 mm, because you've discovered what an awesome size that > is, including for road rides. Also, because you like that tire width so much, > you don't want to scale the tire down just to mount a fender. If so, then the > A Homer Hilsen is the bike. Also, the A Homer Hilsen has a cool refinement: > dual pivot sidepulls work well and still provide the clearance needed to do > what's described above. > > Another way of describing what's above for the AHH is to say that it sort of > splits the difference between the Rivendell Atlantis and the Rivendell Road > model. So the AHH is a refinement of the all-rounder, moved closer to the > road end of the spectrum. Or maybe it's the other way around, because the > tubing of the AHH is lighter like the road models. The Atlantis uses more > sturdy tubes for its loaded duties and probably greater offroad duties. > > The AHH probably tours for days on end better than many bikes that have been > taken for days-on-end t
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Great recap and thoughts on Riv models past and present. Don't forget the pre-Rambouillet Long Low, which was very similar to it at a higher price point, and the Road Standard, which had much quicker steering (lower trail). On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, James Warren wrote: > > The production Rivendells for the road that came before the San Marcos > have been the Rambouillet, Romulus and the Roadeo. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
I hate to keep bringing up Soma but the lugged Stanyan is a great frame and looks like you can get it for 450 on ebay right now which is an amazing price for these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soma-Stanyan-Frame-and-Fork-56cm-BRAND-NEW-w-FREE-UPS-SHIPPING-/200695937583?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item2eba68fa2f#ht_2559wt_1168 I -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MrAxkys379oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Check out the Bleriot on EBay. Might be your size. Lovely bicycle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZxJycGDrIOkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Thanks Dusty…I've been looking at the other models today, and think I'm still pretty sold on getting a Sam. It seems that there's a few of them laying around in different places. Rivendell actually has 1 single top tube 56cm in maroon right now that they're selling at a discount. I'm not sure I want a maroon one…so throwing that out there for whoever else stumbles on this thread On Jan 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, DustyMerkin wrote: > I hate to keep bringing up Soma but the lugged Stanyan is a great frame and > looks like you can get it for 450 on ebay right now which is an amazing price > for these. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soma-Stanyan-Frame-and-Fork-56cm-BRAND-NEW-w-FREE-UPS-SHIPPING-/200695937583?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item2eba68fa2f#ht_2559wt_1168 > > I > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MrAxkys379oJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
