Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread tarik saleh
Yep, good point, they will thread on there, but not logically, nor work when 
on. 

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> On Nov 19, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Metin Uz  wrote:
> 
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:44:57 PM UTC-8, tarik...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think there 
>> is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There are also 
>> non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two prongs.   I 
>> think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not paying attention 
>> as well.
> 
> I don't think you can spin on a freewheel with the prongs facing in -- you 
> would immediately realize because the ratchet would not let you turn it.
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread Metin Uz
On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:44:57 PM UTC-8, tarik...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think 
> there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There 
> are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two 
> prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not 
> paying attention as well.
>
>
I don't think you can spin on a freewheel with the prongs facing in -- you 
would immediately realize because the ratchet would not let you turn it.

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore
No great loss in any case. It was rather interesting, nay thrilling!, to
see the mechanic remove it by squeezing it in a vise.

As for OEM Indian Roadster components, the habit in the countries where I
saw them used was that things like freewheels, not to mention chains,
chainrings, bb, hub, and headset bearing assemblies, saddles, rims, and
brake linkages were considered permanent infrastructure, like the frame.
(I'm being somewhat -- 33.225% -- facetious, but serious for the rest of
it.)

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:44 PM, tarik saleh  wrote:

> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think
> there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There
> are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two
> prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not
> paying attention as well.
>
> Tarik
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool
>> -- the interior was entirely smooth.
>>
>> Has anyone come across a fw like this?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
>>> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
>>> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
>>> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
>>> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
>>> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
>>> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
>>> no further problems.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
 race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
 racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
 days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
 it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
 Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
 It's perfect.

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>
> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was
> he full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>
> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will
>> work well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly
>> used tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle 
>> cap
>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the 
>> stripping
>> of the FW notches in the process.
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread tarik saleh
Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think
there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There
are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two
prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not
paying attention as well.

Tarik



On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool --
> the interior was entirely smooth.
>
> Has anyone come across a fw like this?
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
>> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
>> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
>> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
>> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
>> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
>> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
>> no further problems.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
>>> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
>>> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
>>> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
>>> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
>>> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
>>> It's perfect.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
 wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
 lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
 it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
 cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.

 I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was
 he full of a particular unpleasing substance?

 (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick 
 wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle 
> cap
> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the 
> stripping
> of the FW notches in the process.
>
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore
My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool --
the interior was entirely smooth.

Has anyone come across a fw like this?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
> no further problems.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
>> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
>> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
>> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
>> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
>> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
>> It's perfect.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
>>> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
>>> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
>>> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
>>> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>>>
>>> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
>>> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>>>
>>> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
 well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
 tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
 larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
 on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
 but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
 without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
 of the FW notches in the process.


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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread George Schick
I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour, 
Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record 
hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to 
get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that 
they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go 
for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality 
components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had 
no further problems.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX 
> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet 
> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple 
> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use 
> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White 
> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once. 
> It's perfect. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back 
>> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good 
>> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy 
>> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such 
>> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>>
>> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he 
>> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>>
>> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work 
>>> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used 
>>> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the 
>>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap 
>>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA, 
>>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel 
>>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping 
>>> of the FW notches in the process.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread Mark Reimer
I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
It's perfect.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>
> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>
> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
>> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
>> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
>> of the FW notches in the process.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore
An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.

I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
full of a particular unpleasing substance?

(Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
> of the FW notches in the process.
>
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread Jason Hartman
There are a few options I can think of:

Use a grinder to make the removal tool's hole big enough to fit over the PW
end cap.

Make your own tool out of a flat piece of scrap steel. Of course, it will
only engage two notches and I would recommend using the vice method.

Use a chisel or punch of some sort to get the freewheel started.

Take the freewheel apart, and use a big pipe wrench to remove the part of
the body still stuck on the hub. This should be a last resort as it usually
kills the freewheel.

I have used the chisel and homemade tool method successfully in the past
with no damage to the freewheel or hub. Though my hubs were Campagnolo, not
PW

Jay Hartman

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015, George Schick  wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
> of the FW notches in the process.
>
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[RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread George Schick
Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work well 
with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used tool, 
like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the larger-than-normal 
axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap on the drive side 
must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA, but then the 
removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel without 
benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping of the 
FW notches in the process.


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