Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-02 Thread islaysteve
Regarding Tims bike shop story (and not to derail this too much) but doesn't 
the customer, in general, have some level
Of responsibility for making informed purchases (oh, and $10K purchases at 
that)?  In this instance he was already advised to wait and talk to Tim's shop. 
 I guess some peoples' stupidity always amazes me.  And there are some really 
effective yet unscrupulous people waiting for them.
Steve

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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Aaron Young
Well done, DP.  :)  I suggest putting that response in the Best
Posts Ever list.

For your friend who is Tri-curious: have him buy a reliable, heavier than
necessary bike (Atlantis, Sam with drops and shifter/brakes or even a
Roadeo) so that he can train on it.  It's weight training or train
heavy, race light, or whatever. In preparation for race days, he can rent
a super specific Tri bike from the LBS for a week or so (to give time
to get used to the handling). Then the Atlantis gets ridden often, is ready
for more adventures after Tri season is over, and will last him a
lifetime.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
Cheap steel? Sure, it comes at the expense of weight. Cheap carbon? No. 
Thank. You. It comes at the expense of me.

With abandon,
Patrick

  

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[RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Mike Shaljian
The eccentric answer: tell them to buy a Jones diamond frame and run super 
motos tubeless on WTB Scraper rims. That bike will be fast as f*k. People 
don't understand the black magic of Jeff Jones until they ride one of his 
bikes. They're astonishingly fast and capable, even for (reformed) tri-dorks. 

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RE: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
How good a friend is he?

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He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a tri-bike and wants your advice 
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[RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Amit Singh
He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a tri-bike and wants your 
advice on what to get.

What do you tell him?

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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread WETH
And is he a triathlete?

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:26:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  How good a friend is he?

  

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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Tim Gavin
Makes me think of a scene last night at the shop I work in.

A 75-year old customer (friend of the owners, apparently) decides he wants
to ride the entire RAGBRAI this year (7 day, ~450 mile supported social
tour).

He goes into a bike shop in Florida (where he winters) and manages to leave
with a $10,000 Specialized Venge S-works.  A super-light, agressive,
aerodynamic race bike.

He has the bike disassembled and shipped to our shop for re-assembly, and
we find:  it has scars on the bars, and was obviously crashed.  The carbon
wheels are out of true, the front somewhat seriously so.  We call the
customer and he admits that he crashed twice already, because he's not used
to clipless pedals, because he's not done much cycling.

So, this bike shop in Florida *sold a 75-year old man with no serious bike
experience a $10,000 race bike*.

The whole shop was so angered by this, but we can't do anything besides
assemble this wonderbike as well as we can (which involved removing the
tubular tires from the rims to true them--the spoke nippes are
inaccessible).  The shop owners counseled him to wait until he returned so
they could help him with the purchase, but he decided to do it this way.  I
don't know the whole picture, but what little I know upset me.

Even if this customer wanted to drop a bunch on a new carbon bike, I doubt
our shop would have sold him this one unless he specifically demanded it.
But the guys in Florida apparently love the soft, expensive fleece from
snowbirds.

Regarding your friend, I'd determine whether a tri bike would best serve
him, considering his ability and desired cycling activities.

Tim

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:

 And is he a triathlete?

 On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:26:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  How good a friend is he?



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 *On Behalf Of *Amit Singh
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 He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a tri-bike and wants your
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Re: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike

2015-05-01 Thread Anne Paulson
I would have a long chat with him. The first question we should always
ask in these cases is, What kind of riding do you want to do?

Is this bike to be exclusively for triathlons and triathlon training?
Does he have any other bikes? How competitive is he in triathlons? Is
he interested in any other kind of riding-- the kind we on this list
like, exploring, doing sub24s, commuting, riding on dirt and gravel,
randonees?

If my friend wanted a dedicated triathlon bike, I'd sent him to a
store where they sell dedicated triathlon bikes and wish him well in
his competitions. If he would be satisfied with a bike that was a bit
slower than a dedicated bike, but could do other things too, then we
could talk.

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 He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a tri-bike and wants your
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 What do you tell him?


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