Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Ron Mc]

Patrick, the blue loctite hardens (and turns red) - it changes composition. 
 The green loctite is made for cylindrical friction fit.  I first bought it 
because I had a problem with an antique-style Malcolm rifle scope slipping 
in its mounts on a peppery little rolling block carbine.  
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/1871/brb07.jpg  
I later used it on my Moser to solve the squatting seatpost problem.  
But back to the difference - the green loctite doesn't harden to solid and 
remains liquid - it accomplishes both what you want grease to do and 
resolves the slipping problem.  

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 9:54:30 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With the undersized Syncros sp on my gofast, I just slathered blue Loctite 
> onto the post, grease be damned, and had no further problems.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist  > wrote:
>
>> I'll have to check into that if necessary... wonder if my LBS would have 
>> it. I know the community shop doesn't... hmmm, maybe they need to invest in 
>> one!!!
>>
>> But green Loctite sounds like a good option in the mean time. I can look 
>> and see a pretty good gap in the expansion cut... ain't nothing snug there!
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Patrick Moore]

You are doubtless right. I used blue because I was ignorant of green; at
any rate, blue did worked for both seatpost and slipping cradle. (I later
replaced the Syncros with a to-spec Am Classic and, later still, to the
current 7410 Dura Ace.)

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Patrick, the blue loctite hardens (and turns red) - it changes
> composition.  The green loctite is made for cylindrical friction fit.  I
> first bought it because I had a problem with an antique-style Malcolm rifle
> scope slipping in its mounts on a peppery little rolling block carbine.
>  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/1871/brb07.jpg
> I later used it on my Moser to solve the squatting seatpost problem.
> But back to the difference - the green loctite doesn't harden to solid and
> remains liquid - it accomplishes both what you want grease to do and
> resolves the slipping problem.
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 9:54:30 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> With the undersized Syncros sp on my gofast, I just slathered blue
>> Loctite onto the post, grease be damned, and had no further problems.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll have to check into that if necessary... wonder if my LBS would have
>>> it. I know the community shop doesn't... hmmm, maybe they need to invest in
>>> one!!!
>>>
>>> But green Loctite sounds like a good option in the mean time. I can look
>>> and see a pretty good gap in the expansion cut... ain't nothing snug there!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[David Person]

Thanks Mark.  I swapped out the Kalloy post that came with my Sam with a Nitto 
S-83.  I too noticed that it tended to slip a little bit over time.  I removed 
it and wiped all the grease off the post and inside the seat tube (as well as 
the frame saver I applied when I assembled the bike).  I then applied a thin 
coating of anti-seize to the post.  Hasn't slipped since.

David Person

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Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[cyclotourist]

I'll have to check into that if necessary... wonder if my LBS would have
it. I know the community shop doesn't... hmmm, maybe they need to invest in
one!!!

But green Loctite sounds like a good option in the mean time. I can look
and see a pretty good gap in the expansion cut... ain't nothing snug there!

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> At the bike shop, we'd use a Stein knurler if a the crown race on the fork
> was a tiny bit small for the given crown race.  It also can work for
> seatposts.  The tool put dozens of little grooves into the surface of the
> thing, which causes little ridges to rise up on either side of each
> groove.  Now your thing is effectively a slightly larger diameter, and so
> it's easier to get a tighter press fit, or easier to get grip with a clamp.
>
>
> My favorite old-timer mechanic was named Chuck.  Chuck would refer to the
> Stein Knurling Tool as "Metal-Grow".  Usage:  "This fork crown race is too
> loose.  Better put some Metal-Grow on it!"
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the idea, Mark. None of my Rivs, but my Gunnar has a
>> slightly oversiz seat tube. It's not the post, as I've tried multiple
>> ones, and all slip. I've tried carbon paste, and that doesn't grip
>> enough. Have been tempted to go to a 27.4 post, which I think would
>> fit (it's that far off). But will try the Loctite first, as that'll be
>> a bit cheaper!!!
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>> > I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat
>> > posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock
>> Kalloy
>> > seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or
>> smoother
>> > trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd
>> drop a
>> > millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a
>> good
>> > centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>> >
>> > But now I've solved it!
>> >
>> > I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post
>> and
>> > the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I
>> > applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the
>> lug.
>> > Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I
>> didn't
>> > put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I
>> installed
>> > it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>> >
>> > Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post
>> that
>> > would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If
>> you're
>> > not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the post
>> > right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I
>> remove
>> > the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it
>> next
>> > time.
>> >
>> > The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact
>> resulting
>> > in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier between
>> the
>> > two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than
>> slippery.
>> > Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there
>> forever.
>> > It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for about
>> the
>> > last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy saddle
>> bag
>> > was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the clamp to
>> > verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved!
>> >
>> > Hope this helps others
>> >
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>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Patrick Moore]

With the undersized Syncros sp on my gofast, I just slathered blue Loctite
onto the post, grease be damned, and had no further problems.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> I'll have to check into that if necessary... wonder if my LBS would have
> it. I know the community shop doesn't... hmmm, maybe they need to invest in
> one!!!
>
> But green Loctite sounds like a good option in the mean time. I can look
> and see a pretty good gap in the expansion cut... ain't nothing snug there!
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> At the bike shop, we'd use a Stein knurler if a the crown race on the
>> fork was a tiny bit small for the given crown race.  It also can work for
>> seatposts.  The tool put dozens of little grooves into the surface of the
>> thing, which causes little ridges to rise up on either side of each
>> groove.  Now your thing is effectively a slightly larger diameter, and so
>> it's easier to get a tighter press fit, or easier to get grip with a clamp.
>>
>>
>> My favorite old-timer mechanic was named Chuck.  Chuck would refer to the
>> Stein Knurling Tool as "Metal-Grow".  Usage:  "This fork crown race is too
>> loose.  Better put some Metal-Grow on it!"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the idea, Mark. None of my Rivs, but my Gunnar has a
>>> slightly oversiz seat tube. It's not the post, as I've tried multiple
>>> ones, and all slip. I've tried carbon paste, and that doesn't grip
>>> enough. Have been tempted to go to a 27.4 post, which I think would
>>> fit (it's that far off). But will try the Loctite first, as that'll be
>>> a bit cheaper!!!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mark Reimer 
>>> wrote:
>>> > I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their
>>> seat
>>> > posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock
>>> Kalloy
>>> > seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or
>>> smoother
>>> > trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd
>>> drop a
>>> > millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a
>>> good
>>> > centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>>> >
>>> > But now I've solved it!
>>> >
>>> > I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the
>>> post and
>>> > the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle,
>>> I
>>> > applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the
>>> lug.
>>> > Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I
>>> didn't
>>> > put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I
>>> installed
>>> > it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>>> >
>>> > Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the
>>> post that
>>> > would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If
>>> you're
>>> > not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the
>>> post
>>> > right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I
>>> remove
>>> > the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it
>>> next
>>> > time.
>>> >
>>> > The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact
>>> resulting
>>> > in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier
>>> between the
>>> > two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than
>>> slippery.
>>> > Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there
>>> forever.
>>> > It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for about
>>> the
>>> > last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy saddle
>>> bag
>>> > was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the clamp to
>>> > verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved!
>>> >
>>> > Hope this helps others
>>> >
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for the idea, Mark. None of my Rivs, but my Gunnar has a
slightly oversiz seat tube. It's not the post, as I've tried multiple
ones, and all slip. I've tried carbon paste, and that doesn't grip
enough. Have been tempted to go to a 27.4 post, which I think would
fit (it's that far off). But will try the Loctite first, as that'll be
a bit cheaper!!!

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat
> posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy
> seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother
> trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a
> millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good
> centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>
> But now I've solved it!
>
> I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post and
> the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I
> applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug.
> Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't
> put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I installed
> it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>
> Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post that
> would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If you're
> not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the post
> right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I remove
> the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it next
> time.
>
> The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact resulting
> in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier between the
> two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than slippery.
> Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there forever.
> It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for about the
> last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy saddle bag
> was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the clamp to
> verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved!
>
> Hope this helps others
>
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[RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Mark Reimer]

I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother 
trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a 
millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good 
centimeter at times. I was frustrated.

But now I've solved it!

I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post and 
the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug. 
Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't 
put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
installed it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.

Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
that would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
you're not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the 
post right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
remove the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it 
next time. 

The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact resulting 
in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier between the 
two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than slippery. 
Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there forever. 
It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for about the 
last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy saddle bag 
was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the clamp to 
verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 

Hope this helps others

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Re: [RBW] Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Bill Lindsay]

At the bike shop, we'd use a Stein knurler if a the crown race on the fork 
was a tiny bit small for the given crown race.  It also can work for 
seatposts.  The tool put dozens of little grooves into the surface of the 
thing, which causes little ridges to rise up on either side of each groove. 
 Now your thing is effectively a slightly larger diameter, and so it's 
easier to get a tighter press fit, or easier to get grip with a clamp.  

My favorite old-timer mechanic was named Chuck.  Chuck would refer to the 
Stein Knurling Tool as "Metal-Grow".  Usage:  "This fork crown race is too 
loose.  Better put some Metal-Grow on it!"  



On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the idea, Mark. None of my Rivs, but my Gunnar has a 
> slightly oversiz seat tube. It's not the post, as I've tried multiple 
> ones, and all slip. I've tried carbon paste, and that doesn't grip 
> enough. Have been tempted to go to a 27.4 post, which I think would 
> fit (it's that far off). But will try the Loctite first, as that'll be 
> a bit cheaper!!! 
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mark Reimer  > wrote: 
> > I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
> > posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
> > seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or 
> smoother 
> > trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop 
> a 
> > millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a 
> good 
> > centimeter at times. I was frustrated. 
> > 
> > But now I've solved it! 
> > 
> > I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post 
> and 
> > the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
> > applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the 
> lug. 
> > Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I 
> didn't 
> > put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
> installed 
> > it as it slid past the seat-tube grease. 
> > 
> > Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
> that 
> > would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
> you're 
> > not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the post 
> > right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
> remove 
> > the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it next 
> > time. 
> > 
> > The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact 
> resulting 
> > in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier between 
> the 
> > two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than 
> slippery. 
> > Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there forever. 
> > It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for about 
> the 
> > last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy saddle 
> bag 
> > was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the clamp to 
> > verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 
> > 
> > Hope this helps others 
> > 
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>
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