Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Hi, I'm Steve. B-) I had a Crosscheck--thought it was a slug. I sold it. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:47 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I agree. There's no black magic here. And the econodreambike has kind of been done -- with the exception of the marketing part. Kogswell Model D was a Taiwanese-tig welded, direct copy of the Rambo. I don't know the Riv models that well, but I'd be willing to bet that the Rambo is pretty much geometrically indistinguishable, where it counts anyway, to Roadeo/Hilson. John Speare Spokane, WA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:50 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610... Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p6K0ivtOgHcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I have a Pacer and a recently built up a Ram. The Ram is livelier in handling than the Pacer, but the Pacer is a fine bike. It doesn't handle tires as wide as the Ram, and nowadays with the terrible roads in the area (in Oakland--where one cyclist died flying over a crack into oncoming traffic), I make it a point to use as wide as I can go for comfort and safety. I think there is a market for a lively road bike that can use wide tires. The Pacer, Casseroll, Smoothie are all in the right direction, but they can go even wider. A few hundred dollars in the frame is not a justification for me to get a different frame--especially when the different frame doesn't give you what you want... I would rather wait and buy the frame that really works than pay a little less and get something inferior and wish you had something else for as long as you put up with the inferior bike... Toshi On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the > Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the > Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. > The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is > the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Ohhh, nice. Didn't think about that... their 60cm Osprey is just about spot on if it can fit 35mm tires (tyres!). Mike S had a Gryphon for a minute. If I ever decide to build up a drop bar 29er, that is pretty much the bike I'll get! Jim, you're 100% correct. GP isn't the only that can design a bike, but 100% of his bikes are bikes I would want to buy! :-) I would love to see him work someone to get a Rivendell-esque tigged bike on the market. On 2/19/12, Philip Williamson wrote: > The Singular Cycles offerings are almost there, but maybe too similar > to the Soma? The Kite 'cross bike is tigged, 1 1/8" threadless, with > cantis. Most of the road bikes are lugged, though. My favorite > Singular is the Gryphon, which is nothing like you describe. It's more > of a rolling-up of all my bikes into one Cunningham-inspired unit. > http://www.singularcycles.com/ > http://theprairiepeddler.blogspot.com/ > > Philip > > Philip Williamson > www.biketinker.com > > > On Feb 19, 8:32 am, cyclotourist wrote: >> I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride >> too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines. >> >> On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: >> >> Low trail is kind of a turn off though. >> >> > Why? >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> >> ** >> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >> the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p6K0ivtOgHcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Make sure it has a cup-holder that can fit MY drink. On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:48 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation & > hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies > to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example, > Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating & > hyperbolizing my desires for the "perfect" bike. I will call it The > Homer. > > > > > *Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen. > Stevens designed the system of tubes. > > On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano wrote: >> Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be >> involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of >> money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make >> something "almost" like what you are looking for. unfortunately almost is >> as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes >> but alas it was not meant to be. >> On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, "cyclotourist" wrote: >> >>> I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer >>> is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm >>> visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy >>> country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The >>> SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, >>> 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a >>> bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for >>> it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! >>> >>> On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> Redlands, CA >>> >>> ** >>> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >>> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >>> the America I love.” >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > ** > “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an > America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s > the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price! > It was iirc $330 for the complete frame/fork. There's a number of nice builds of them here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26117248@N03/ I agree with you about the horizontal dropouts - I'd rather have vertical dropouts like on all the rest of my bikes. Makes fendering and wheel centering so much simpler,imo. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines. On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: >> Low trail is kind of a turn off though. > > Why? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: > Low trail is kind of a turn off though. Why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price! On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist > wrote: >> A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a >> Cross Check, but GREAT price! >> > > Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I > resisted buying one. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a > Cross Check, but GREAT price! > Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I resisted buying one. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a Cross Check, but GREAT price! On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist > wrote: >> LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off >> though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is >> selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. >> > > What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy > with 26" wheels and XOXO. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Don't know anything about them, but would want 700C On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist > wrote: >> LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off >> though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is >> selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. >> > > What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy > with 26" wheels and XOXO. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off > though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is > selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. > What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy with 26" wheels and XOXO. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. On 2/19/12, Earl Grey wrote: > Albeit with cantis, and low trail fork, the Rawland rSogn fits the > bill as well, though it now retails for $725. It started at just over > $500, and there has been at least one sale, I think. > > http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 > > I got one to complement my Sam Hillborne, which is now set up for > commuting and kid hauling. Aesthetically, the Sam's the winner, but in > terms of versatility and sprightliness, the rSogn nudges ahead > (thinner tubing, and fits 58mm knobbies, and I like the low trail for > running a handlebar bag and still being able to peel oranges on the > go). > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/6892390267/in/pool-71875606@N00/ > > Cheers, > > Gernot > Thailand > > On Feb 19, 12:39 am, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that >> description quite well, >> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. >> >> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up >> getting this summer. >> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend >> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a >> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. >> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot >> less $. >> >> Jay >> >> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a >> > Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat >> > tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, >> > Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country >> > bike. >> > Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded >> > frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm >> > brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. >> >> > On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: >> >> > > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful >> > > selection >> > > in components. >> >> > > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? >> >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. >> > > To post to this group, send email to >> > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > > For more options, visit this group at >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > David >> > Redlands, CA >> >> > ** >> > “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >> > America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >> > the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation & hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example, Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating & hyperbolizing my desires for the "perfect" bike. I will call it The Homer. *Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen. Stevens designed the system of tubes. On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano wrote: > Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be > involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of > money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make > something "almost" like what you are looking for. unfortunately almost is > as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes > but alas it was not meant to be. > On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, "cyclotourist" wrote: > >> I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer >> is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm >> visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy >> country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The >> SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, >> 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a >> bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for >> it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! >> >> On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: >> > IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent >> > of >> > the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the >> > Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling >> > to >> > me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the >> > Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> >> ** >> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >> the America I love.” >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of > the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the > Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to > me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the > Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Their only product I'm familiar is the cSogn. It seemed a great bike, but kind of burly. On 2/18/12, David Yu Greenblatt wrote: > The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. > http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 > With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and > flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. > They are also coming out with a 700C bike this year, also with > lightweight standard-diameter tubing and low trail geometry. > > - David > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: >> I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a >> 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! >> >> On 2/18/12, Stonehog wrote: >>> Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, >>> use >>> light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get >>> them >>> on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. >>> >>> Mobile Brian Hanson >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist >>> wrote: >>> Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that > description quite well, > albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. > > I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up > getting this summer. > FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend > what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a > tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. > Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot > less $. > > > > Jay > > On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >> Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a >> Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat >> tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, >> Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country >> bike. >> Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded >> frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm >> brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. >> >> On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: >> > >> >>> Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful >>> selection >>> in components. >> >>> Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? >> > >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. They are also coming out with a 700C bike this year, also with lightweight standard-diameter tubing and low trail geometry. - David On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a > 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! > > On 2/18/12, Stonehog wrote: >> Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use >> light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them >> on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. >> >> Mobile Brian Hanson >> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist wrote: >> >>> Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not >>> looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the >>> qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light >>> touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 >>> or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be >>> awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike >>> or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking >>> of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc >>> that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, >>> put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit >>> the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. >>> Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a >>> Surly/Salsa price. >>> >>> Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite >>> it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with >>> vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, >>> they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more >>> like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could >>> get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on >>> the look out for one as it is. >>> >>> /rant >>> >>> On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a > Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat > tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, > Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country > bike. > Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded > frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm > brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. > > On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: > > >> Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful >> selection >> in components. > >> Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> Redlands, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! On 2/18/12, Stonehog wrote: > Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use > light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them > on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. > > Mobile Brian Hanson > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > >> Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not >> looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the >> qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light >> touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 >> or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be >> awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike >> or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking >> of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc >> that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, >> put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit >> the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. >> Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a >> Surly/Salsa price. >> >> Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite >> it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with >> vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, >> they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more >> like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could >> get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on >> the look out for one as it is. >> >> /rant >> >> On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >>> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that >>> description quite well, >>> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. >>> >>> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up >>> getting this summer. >>> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend >>> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a >>> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. >>> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot >>> less $. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful > selection > in components. > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> >> ** >> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >> the America I love.” >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?h
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not > looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the > qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light > touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 > or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be > awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike > or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking > of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc > that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, > put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit > the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. > Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a > Surly/Salsa price. > > Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite > it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with > vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, > they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more > like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could > get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on > the look out for one as it is. > > /rant > > On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that >> description quite well, >> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. >> >> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up >> getting this summer. >> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend >> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a >> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. >> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot >> less $. >> >> >> >> Jay >> >> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >>> Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a >>> Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat >>> tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, >>> Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country >>> bike. >>> Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded >>> frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm >>> brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. >>> >>> On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. >>> Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> Redlands, CA >>> >>> ** >>> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >>> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >>> the America I love.” >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > ** > “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an > America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s > the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rb
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that > description quite well, > albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. > > I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up > getting this summer. > FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend > what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a > tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. > Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot > less $. > > > > Jay > > On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >> Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a >> Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat >> tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, >> Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country >> bike. >> Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded >> frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm >> brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. >> >> On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful >> > selection >> > in components. >> >> > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> >> ** >> “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an >> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s >> the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Then you get into a whole "diluting the brand" argument where as Rivendell stands for high end lugged bikes if they just went and made tig welded bikes threadless stems how would they be any different from Surly et al? I just dont think someone as small as Riv could stay in business selling such cheap bikes without the huge volume of the other major brands. It is a boutique bike seller and that is how they and frankly I like it. Just my 2 cents. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a > Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat > tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, > Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country > bike. > Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded > frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm > brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. > > On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: > > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful > selection > > in components. > > > > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > ** > “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an > America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s > the America I love.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 wrote: > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection > in components. > > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Very Nice! Been eye balling one of those myself. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: "James" To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:39:16 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610... She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as beautiful as she is. https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCPKXgfSFsuSipwE&feat=directlink On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 wrote: > Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride > report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the > trucker. > > Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Gorgeous, excellent choice. On Feb 17, 2012 2:58 PM, "James" wrote: > She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as > beautiful as she is. > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCPKXgfSFsuSipwE&feat=directlink > > On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 wrote: > > Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride > > report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the > > trucker. > > > > Cheers > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Pretty much how I feel about my 3 riv products, although there are many other models I have not had the pleasure of trying out. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote: > Anything Rivendell touches is gold. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
No I will have to check that out - I am assuming they turned out nice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mL_jzaI-oVUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Yes, I agree that the people at BBC are helpful and courteous. It just seemed like selling bikes was not part of the plan. I seem to recall that the JT tandem we looked at had a price tag of $1799 or so, but it wasn't actually for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EboRv_T3xc4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > As an aside related to the poster who mentioned Budget Bikes on Regent in > Madison. Anybody who visits Madison should take a gander at this place, as > it is the most stupefying spectacle I've seen in cycling. There are > actually, I think, four or five Budget Bike locations on Regent within a > 2-block stretch, but the one of interest is the used bike warehouse. > Thousands of used bikes, many of which are pieces of undeniable cycling > historical interest, occupy every square inch of this large, > minimally-heated warehouse. The prices are nothing short of outrageous, like > $500+ for an old Schwinn Varsity or an unremarkable ladies Raleigh Sports > from the 1970s, and the price for anything even remotely more desirable will > generally be $2000+. The rumor is that if you show interest in one of the > bikes, the price will suddenly be significantly greater if you return to buy > it the following day. My friend tried to buy a Jack Taylor tandem there > once, and the price seemed about right. The employee said, sorry, not for > sale. But there's a price tag on it, right? Turns out the price tag was for > "insurance purposes". One current and one former employee there told me, > when I asked about this curious business model, that the shop's owner > focused on the "acquisition side" of the business, and that he made his > living in real estate. The multiple bike shops are apparently some sort of > hobby, or maybe a tax-avoidance scheme. In any case, I don't suggest buying > anything there, but it sure is fun to wander around and look. Jim, Very curious. This was the exact opposite of the experience I received when I visited Madison. We went by yellow jersey to see about renting a tandem for the week we were there. The attitude and contempt we received was unbelievable. We were told it was impossible to ride a tandem in the city and they would not rent one to us if we were planning to do that. When I asked if there was other bike shops that did not share that belief I was told that they didn't shop at other bike shops and didn't know of any. We left and went to budget bicycles - both their facility with hundreds upon hundreds of bikes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005545281/ and then their folder/tandem/recumbent-specific location. At the location with the many older bikes we talked with a couple of employees who said that they stockpile a lot of bikes and many of the turnover for the massive influx of students to U-W. I asked about tandems and they pointed me to the other location a few blocks down the street. At the tandem location we were shown their rental tandems and allowed to try them out before determining which one to take for the week. They were helpful and relaxed. We got a reasonable burley duet tandem and were treated quite well. We also got to try out a brompton while we were there. I asked about a map of the city paths. They didn't have one on hand at that location so they suggested we go across the street to one of their other locations. We went over there where we were given a map and then the map was highlighted by one of the folks there to tell us which paths were not in good shape right now. It was kinda fantastic service. I bought some tires and gloves from them before we left madison b/c of how well we were treated. I'd recommend them to others. Oh and I did see the two jack taylor tandems: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005556695/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005554239/ The price tags on them online are $.99 - which I suspect is the MAX for their system. They are also hung up 10 feet above the ground and angled so they can be seen but not touched. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 15:51 -0800, Liesl wrote: > It seems to me like the amount of work > you're wanting to do changes the bike quite a bit so that it's no > longer a Wisconsin Vintage Trek '82 610, but something that's morphed > into a different bike. Have you ever seen the "creatively restored" Raleighs Peter Weigle has done in the past couple of years? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
