Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

I think you're doing great Jim.  Glad to see you're seriously thinking 
about custom cassettes - they're a lot more functional than anything off 
the shelf.  
You'll also have the option of buying additional cogs and adjusting it 
later.  

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:17:43 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> ...
> With 44/24 the aforementioned modified ratios get you: 
> 95.3 52.0 
> 88.0 48.0 
> 81.7 44.6 
> 76.3 41.6 
> 71.5 39.0 
> 67.3 36.7 
> 60.2 32.8 
> 54.5 29.7 
> 47.7 26.0 
> 39.4 21.5 
>
> Current top gear with 44/28 and 11-34 in back is 104.0".  Current 
> lowest gear is 21.4.  So I give up a little top end, and the bottom 
> end is almost identical.  I do use the 104" gear pretty often on road 
> rides but maybe I just need to work on my coasting technique and 
> forget about it. 
>
> Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a 
> relatively small amount of money?  It's a curse. 
>
> -Jim 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Been thinking about this some more.  One think about 11 speed that
I've noticed is that some sites claim that the cable pull is not the
same ratio throughout the travel.  Which makes me wonder if certain
shifters have to be paired with certain rear derailers.  I run the
Microshift bar-ends now, and would like to continue using them, but
with the uncertainty around cable pull, would they mix with a Shimano
derailer?  I dunno, maybe should stick with 10 speed, that makes
things a lot less complicated.  I know in that case I would only need
to change the shifter, cassette and chain to switch to 10 speed.  That
seems a bit more appealing, on second guess.

The other thing is, how to best achieve the gears I want.  It's easier
to run a slightly narrower cassette if you accept having a bigger jump
on your wide-low double.  Maybe I should just give up having a 32 or
34 in the back, and just run a smaller bailout gear.  The end goal is
to keep my lowest gear inches and highest gear inches around where
they are now, but bridge some of the gaps in the middle.

I can get a Miche 12-29 10 speed, which has the ratios
12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26-29 and also a loose 16 and a loose 24, from
XXCycle. for $59.53 shipped.  Removing the 23 and 26, and inserting
the 16 between the 15 and 17, and the 24 between the 21 and 29, gives
one 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-29.

With 44/24 the aforementioned modified ratios get you:
95.3 52.0
88.0 48.0
81.7 44.6
76.3 41.6
71.5 39.0
67.3 36.7
60.2 32.8
54.5 29.7
47.7 26.0
39.4 21.5

Current top gear with 44/28 and 11-34 in back is 104.0".  Current
lowest gear is 21.4.  So I give up a little top end, and the bottom
end is almost identical.  I do use the 104" gear pretty often on road
rides but maybe I just need to work on my coasting technique and
forget about it.

Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a
relatively small amount of money?  It's a curse.

-Jim

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff
> anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23
> inches
> XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one
> middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below
> 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and
>> love them all.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>>>
>>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD
>>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/04/2015 06:17 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

Been thinking about this some more.  One think about 11 speed that
I've noticed is that some sites claim that the cable pull is not the
same ratio throughout the travel.  Which makes me wonder if certain
shifters have to be paired with certain rear derailers.  I run the
Microshift bar-ends now, and would like to continue using them, but
with the uncertainty around cable pull, would they mix with a Shimano
derailer?  I dunno, maybe should stick with 10 speed, that makes
things a lot less complicated.  I know in that case I would only need
to change the shifter, cassette and chain to switch to 10 speed.  That
seems a bit more appealing, on second guess.


They claim to be "Shimano road rear derailleur compatible" on the web 
site, but perhaps you should contact their technical support -- no, make 
that QBP -- directly.
Or, perhaps ask yourself what would going to 11 do for you (other than 
the fact that it goes to 11) - like, does it play louder? - that would 
make up for the hassles/changes you point out.


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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm still obsessing about going from 9 to 10; it's good to know that I've
got  whole new obsession waiting for me after that one.



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>
>
> Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a
> relatively small amount of money?  It's a curse.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

the people making cassettes have counted the teeth, but have never analyzed 
the ride

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:28:21 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I see in your next post you found it. Please let us know how it works out 
> for you.
> Hope I wasn't blowing smoke when I assumed you could get a 43t ring.
>
> In the why can't I get ... sniff dept.
> Why no 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28,32 (or ...34) 10 spd?
> the 9 spd HG80 gives 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28 why not just add the 32 
> (or 34) to make it 10?
> the only shimano 10 spd 11-32 is 11,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32 
> the 10 spd sram 1070 gives (now) 11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32
> Id much rather have the extra one tooth gap(s) in the small cogs than the 
> minor reduction in step size in the large ones.
> And while I am at it, though there are 11 sp bar end shifters for the aero 
> TT crowd, there are no 11 sp down tube shifters.
> sniff.
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Ted, 
>>
>> I got pretty excited when I saw your post 
>>
>> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates 
>> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end 
>> and around 21 on the low end. 
>>
>> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( 
>>
>> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps 
>> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is 
>> it really so hard?  *sniff*. 
>>
>> -Jim 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  wrote: 
>> > Jim, 
>> > 
>> > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings 
>> that 
>> > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. 
>> > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings 
>> >   4224 
>> > 11  99.3  56.7 
>> > 12  91.0  52.0 
>> > 13  84.0  48.0 
>> > 14  78.0  44.6 
>> > 15  72.8  41.6 
>> > 16  68.2  39.0 
>> > 17  64.2  36.7 
>> > 19  57.5  32.8 
>> > 22  49.6  28.4 
>> > 25  43.7  25.0 
>> > 28  39.0  22.3 
>> > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low 
>> end. Or 
>> > 11-32 with 43/26 rings 
>> >   4326 
>> > 11 101.6  61.5 
>> > 12  93.2  56.3 
>> > 13  86.0  52.0 
>> > 14  79.9  48.3 
>> > 15  74.5  45.1 
>> > 17  65.8  39.8 
>> > 19  58.8  35.6 
>> > 22  50.8  30.7 
>> > 25  44.7  27.0 
>> > 28  39.9  24.1 
>> > 32  34.9  21.1 
>> > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. 
>> > 
>> > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. 
>> > 
>> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm 
>> >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom 
>> >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new 
>> >> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you 
>> >> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, 
>> >> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a 
>> >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean 
>> >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra 
>> >> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the 
>> >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality 
>> >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read 
>> >> on. 
>> >> 
>> >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm 
>> >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get 
>> >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run 
>> >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps 
>> >> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the 
>> >> cassette would seem to solve this. 
>> >> 
>> >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just 
>> >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of 
>> >> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever 
>> >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either 
>> >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's 
>> >> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low 
>> >> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide 
>> >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of 
>> >> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big 
>> >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout 
>> >> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the 
>> >> back. 
>> >> 
>> >> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for 
>> >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in 
>> >> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - 
>> >> 59.8 - 

Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Lungimsam]

This thread needs to be permanently pinned to the top of this forum list.

This thing has risen to the most untold dizzying heights of coggery!

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ted,

I got pretty excited when I saw your post

The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
and around 21 on the low end.

However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(

I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
it really so hard?  *sniff*.

-Jim

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>   4224
> 11  99.3  56.7
> 12  91.0  52.0
> 13  84.0  48.0
> 14  78.0  44.6
> 15  72.8  41.6
> 16  68.2  39.0
> 17  64.2  36.7
> 19  57.5  32.8
> 22  49.6  28.4
> 25  43.7  25.0
> 28  39.0  22.3
> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>   4326
> 11 101.6  61.5
> 12  93.2  56.3
> 13  86.0  52.0
> 14  79.9  48.3
> 15  74.5  45.1
> 17  65.8  39.8
> 19  58.8  35.6
> 22  50.8  30.7
> 25  44.7  27.0
> 28  39.9  24.1
> 32  34.9  21.1
> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>
> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>> on.
>>
>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>
>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>> back.
>>
>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>
>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>> this.
>>
>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.
>>
>> So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?
>>
>> well anyway just musing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[ted]

Jim,

I see in your next post you found it. Please let us know how it works out 
for you.
Hope I wasn't blowing smoke when I assumed you could get a 43t ring.

In the why can't I get ... sniff dept.
Why no 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28,32 (or ...34) 10 spd?
the 9 spd HG80 gives 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28 why not just add the 32 (or 
34) to make it 10?
the only shimano 10 spd 11-32 is 11,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32 
the 10 spd sram 1070 gives (now) 11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32
Id much rather have the extra one tooth gap(s) in the small cogs than the 
minor reduction in step size in the large ones.
And while I am at it, though there are 11 sp bar end shifters for the aero 
TT crowd, there are no 11 sp down tube shifters.
sniff.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Ted, 
>
> I got pretty excited when I saw your post 
>
> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates 
> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end 
> and around 21 on the low end. 
>
> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( 
>
> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps 
> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is 
> it really so hard?  *sniff*. 
>
> -Jim 
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  
> wrote: 
> > Jim, 
> > 
> > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings 
> that 
> > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. 
> > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings 
> >   4224 
> > 11  99.3  56.7 
> > 12  91.0  52.0 
> > 13  84.0  48.0 
> > 14  78.0  44.6 
> > 15  72.8  41.6 
> > 16  68.2  39.0 
> > 17  64.2  36.7 
> > 19  57.5  32.8 
> > 22  49.6  28.4 
> > 25  43.7  25.0 
> > 28  39.0  22.3 
> > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low 
> end. Or 
> > 11-32 with 43/26 rings 
> >   4326 
> > 11 101.6  61.5 
> > 12  93.2  56.3 
> > 13  86.0  52.0 
> > 14  79.9  48.3 
> > 15  74.5  45.1 
> > 17  65.8  39.8 
> > 19  58.8  35.6 
> > 22  50.8  30.7 
> > 25  44.7  27.0 
> > 28  39.9  24.1 
> > 32  34.9  21.1 
> > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. 
> > 
> > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. 
> > 
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm 
> >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom 
> >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new 
> >> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you 
> >> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, 
> >> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a 
> >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean 
> >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra 
> >> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the 
> >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality 
> >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read 
> >> on. 
> >> 
> >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm 
> >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get 
> >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run 
> >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps 
> >> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the 
> >> cassette would seem to solve this. 
> >> 
> >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just 
> >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of 
> >> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever 
> >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either 
> >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's 
> >> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low 
> >> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide 
> >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of 
> >> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big 
> >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout 
> >> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the 
> >> back. 
> >> 
> >> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for 
> >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in 
> >> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - 
> >> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even 
> >> better, of course, nobody will ever make that. 
> >> 
> >> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of 
> >> this. 
> >> 
> >> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift 

Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, I'm a dork, was looking at the PG 1030 rather than the PG 1130.
The 1130 does have the 11-12-13-14-15 at the bottom.  Problem solved,
now to implement...

https://www.sram.com/sram/road/products/sram-pg-1130-cassette

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> Ted,
>
> I got pretty excited when I saw your post
>
> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
> and around 21 on the low end.
>
> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(
>
> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
> it really so hard?  *sniff*.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
>> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
>> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>>   4224
>> 11  99.3  56.7
>> 12  91.0  52.0
>> 13  84.0  48.0
>> 14  78.0  44.6
>> 15  72.8  41.6
>> 16  68.2  39.0
>> 17  64.2  36.7
>> 19  57.5  32.8
>> 22  49.6  28.4
>> 25  43.7  25.0
>> 28  39.0  22.3
>> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
>> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>>   4326
>> 11 101.6  61.5
>> 12  93.2  56.3
>> 13  86.0  52.0
>> 14  79.9  48.3
>> 15  74.5  45.1
>> 17  65.8  39.8
>> 19  58.8  35.6
>> 22  50.8  30.7
>> 25  44.7  27.0
>> 28  39.9  24.1
>> 32  34.9  21.1
>> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>>
>> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>>> on.
>>>
>>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>>
>>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>>> back.
>>>
>>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>>
>>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
>>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
>>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
>>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
>>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
>>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
>>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.
>>>
>>> So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
>>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?
>>>
>>> well anyway just musing.
>>>
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>>
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

no offense meant Bill.  The 15-16 step is exactly what he (and I) wants.  
Jim, I think your're on to it...

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it 
> takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my 
> purchase. 
>
> One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could 
> just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect.  The 12-25 
> runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the 
> 12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32, 
> that would be excellent. 
>
> 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25 
> 11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32 
>
> I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each.  That's 
> probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still 
> pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed 
> 11-34's.  I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes.  I do get 
> quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have 
> to endure the pain once every couple of years or so. 
>
> Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the 
> 11 from the 11-32, if that's possible. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote: 
> > ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a 
> cliff 
> > anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 
> 23 
> > inches 
> > XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change 
> one 
> > middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - 
> below 
> > 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and 
> >> love them all. 
> >> 
> >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. 
>  IRD 
> >>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

sorry Bill, you're wrong.  You want the 16t cog, that's why you're doing 
this.  
Where you want 5" steps is right there around that 16t ring.  When you get 
below 50" 8-9" steps are sufficient - besides, you'll have 4" steps below 
50 inches on your bailout ring.  This means something.  

I made a mistake, the 12-25 11sp Miche is Campy - in Shimano they make 
11-23, so you would need a 12t first position, 29t last position, and at 
least one mid between 23t and 29t, and possibly one mid below 23t to round 
out your custom.  This is exactly what I would do, again.  


On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:05:44 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Nice find Joe.  That IRD 11-speed 12-32 only misses the 16t (and actually 
> none of their 11sp cassettes have a 16).  What Jim gains by losing the 16 
> is a very smooth 19/21/23/25 progression before the 28/32 jumps.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Bill Lindsay]

Ron Mc. 

What exactly am I wrong about ?  I only said that the linked 11speed cassette 
lacks a 16. I made no comment about this being preferable or optimal. What is 
wrong about what I posted?  If you don't mind explaining it to me. 

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it
takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my
purchase.

One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could
just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect.  The 12-25
runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the
12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32,
that would be excellent.

12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25
11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32

I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each.  That's
probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still
pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed
11-34's.  I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes.  I do get
quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have
to endure the pain once every couple of years or so.

Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the
11 from the 11-32, if that's possible.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff
> anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23
> inches
> XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one
> middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below
> 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and
>> love them all.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>>>
>>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD
>>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
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RE: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Joe Bartoe]

Yes!

http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible

Joe

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice find Joe.  That IRD 11-speed 12-32 only misses the 16t (and actually 
none of their 11sp cassettes have a 16).  What Jim gains by losing the 16 
is a very smooth 19/21/23/25 progression before the 28/32 jumps.  

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-8, jbartoe wrote:
>
> Yes!
>
>
> http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible
>
> Joe
>
> Joe Bartoe
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