Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[JohnS]

Thank you Garth, I was wondering if such adapters were available. The Deore 
RD has a long cage, so it might be a good candidate. I'll have to do some 
investigate to make sure.

JohnS


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:05:48 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Hey John, one of derailleur tab extenders like a Wolf Roadlink allows the 
> use of such large cogs with derailleurs that couldn't otherwise work. It 
> doesn't alter the RD ch!in wrap capacity of course, just the ability to 
> work with huge cogs. So an 11-46 1x should work with even the older RD's 
> that have at least a 35t chain wrap capacity. 

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[Garth]

Hey John, one of derailleur tab extenders like a Wolf Roadlink allows the use 
of such large cogs with derailleurs that couldn't otherwise work. It doesn't 
alter the RD ch!in wrap capacity of course, just the ability to work with huge 
cogs. So an 11-46 1x should work with even the older RD's that have at least a 
35t chain wrap capacity. 

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[JohnS]

Thank you Aaron and DP for the feedback. I have to dial in the additional 
cost/search for a new rear derailleur. The vintage Deore most likely won't 
work with the gearing range.

JohnS


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:58:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
> the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
> Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
> making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
> was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
> almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
> perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
> bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Hello DP,
>>
>> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
>> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
>> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
>> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
>> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>>
>> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>>
>>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear 
>>> or single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello DP,
>
> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>
> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>
>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
>> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[A. Douglas M.]

In this same vein, I’m running the Microshift Advent 9 speed 11-42 derailleur, 
cassette (Steel), And trigger shifter. I think it came out to $130 or so for 
the group set, and it’s been great on my fillet brazed 29+. 

You could use their thumbies if you wanted friction shifting. I’m surprised 
these setups are not more popular for the price and quality. 

Best,
Aaron

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[JohnS]

Hello DP,

How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.

JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)


On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>
> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.

More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Ed. Aye, Joe spotted it: Box Components. Easy to miss, being a fairly 
generic sounding name. I got this groupset: 
https://www.boxcomponents.com/Box-Two-P9-X-Wide-Multi-Shift-Groupset_2

The cassette is steel cogs, so should last a good long while. Box offer 
several price points, creatively named one, two, three, and four. Grin. I 
got "two", it being the heartiest. I have a friction shifter new in box 
I'll return once I've ridden trails more to ensure everything is happy with 
the Silver Shifter. I got the groupset in case the silver shifter didn't 
work (Box said friction is not compatible though some have made it work ... 
then sent me to some fancy Wolf Tooth part. Riv said, "Box? It works great! 
SRAM, no, Box yes." I followed Box's install video and Riv's install page, 
and was prepared to be down a bike for however long it took me to dial 
things in. Best first test ride I've ever had of my own wrenching. Nothing 
to adjust. It was dialed. Oh, and you'll definitely want a quicklink tool 
... these are stubborn to get in, and I has to work the links back and 
forth to loosen them up once clicked in.

Today we're supposed to get rain and snow, desperately needed, so it'll be 
a good test of how it all works.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:47:27 AM UTC-6, ed wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
> Can you give more details on your GBW build?
> What is the brand of your 11-50t 9 speed cassette?
> What crankset did you use?
> Edgar
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:38 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> For all you pondering your GBW builds, this was simple on my Gus 
>> prototype (and wow! is it great having friction shifting back and wider 
>> spacing between gears!)
>>
>> - Box Components: Two 11-50t x-wide 9-speed cassette, derailure, and two 
>> chains (two required for the long chain stays, keep the second for next 
>> round each time)
>> - Rivendell's Silver Shifter 2 and long shifter cable.
>>
>> My wee test ride stunned me with how easily it came together, requiring 
>> zero adjustments. I'll get out on the trails and see how it rides and 
>> report back here. Wonderfully smooth so far. Should be a bit lower gearing 
>> for climbing yet more insane stuff, same high gear.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[Joe Bernard]

Box Components makes derailers and cassettes. Which I just discovered. 

https://www.boxcomponents.com/custitem_itemcat_main/MTB/custitem_itemcat_sub1/Derailleurs

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Patrick,
Can you give more details on your GBW build?
What is the brand of your 11-50t 9 speed cassette?
What crankset did you use?
Edgar

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:38 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> For all you pondering your GBW builds, this was simple on my Gus prototype
> (and wow! is it great having friction shifting back and wider spacing
> between gears!)
>
> - Box Components: Two 11-50t x-wide 9-speed cassette, derailure, and two
> chains (two required for the long chain stays, keep the second for next
> round each time)
> - Rivendell's Silver Shifter 2 and long shifter cable.
>
> My wee test ride stunned me with how easily it came together, requiring
> zero adjustments. I'll get out on the trails and see how it rides and
> report back here. Wonderfully smooth so far. Should be a bit lower gearing
> for climbing yet more insane stuff, same high gear.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>
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