Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Benjamin Park]

there are so many good options. Perhaps consider an old rangefinder too- 
lots of interesting and cheap japanese or russians that take cool photos.

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> You would be hard pressed to better than Canon AE-1 Program. It uses the 
> FD lens system. That makes buying lens much cheaper. The build quality is 
> top level. It’s an excellent camera. 
>
> The Olympus XA2 is a small pocketable rangefinder (more or less anyway). 
> If she’s interested in street photography then this is the camera to get. 
> This is my most reached for camera. 
>
> If she’s not dead set on an SLR then a TLR is an option. These are very 
> cool cameras that server as a great teaching device. 
>
> I’d buy the Canon. It’s got tons of flexibility and she’ll be able to use 
> it for years to come. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> > 
> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> > 
> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> > what "expensive" means here.
> > 
> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> > satisfying.
> > 
> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> > why? Manual or automatic?
> > 
> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> > 
> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > ---
> > Patrick Moore
> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Welcome to the world of old film cameras!

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On May 21, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> This is essential news about light meters; for this and the Catlabs source, 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Benjamin L. Kelley  > wrote:
> I've been buying lots of stuff from CatLABS in Jamaica Plain, MA.
> Omer does a great job of testing and inspecting each item he sells, and the 
> prices often beat eBay.
> If you're in the market for film gear, I can highly recommend them.
> https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses 
> 
> 
> Also yes, the OM-1, AE-1, and K1000 all have built in light meters, but if 
> you are buying used, you'll need to know that they actually work.(Another 
> plug for CatLABS is that Omer tests all gear before selling and clearly 
> states any defects or features that do not work consistently.)
> Circuity degrades.  My mention of the light meter on my K1000 being off by 
> several stops,  It worked but had degraded in one of the resistors.  So with 
> some testing I came up with a cart of where I needed to set the ISO settings 
> in comparison to the actual film, to get the meter to work correctly.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  > wrote:
> Patrick:
> 
> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm lens 
> for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so check 
> around for a better price.
> 
> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great 
> choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so 
> no external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll 
> just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon 
> lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp images.
> 
> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
> 
> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know if 
> you need any help.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
>> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08 
>> 
>> 
>> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others 
>> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>> 
>> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>> 
>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote:
>> Patrick:
>> 
>> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them with 
>> a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD lens 
>> mount.
>> 
>> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about 
>> exposure it’s not the right camera. 
>> 
>> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture, try 
>> the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm 
>> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that, 
>> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>> 
>> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>> > 
>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>> > what "expensive" means here.
>> > 
>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>> > satisfying.
>> > 
>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>> > 
>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
>> > 
>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > 
>> > ---
>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Drew Saunders]

That's catlabs.info, not .com, and here are their 35mm 
cameras: https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:41:09 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:

> One advantage of keh.com or catlabs.com or other real photo dealers vs. 
> individual sellers on Amazon or Ebay is that there's a good chance that the 
> camera has been checked out and confirmed to be working. With most of the 
> suggested cameras, there's a very high chance that the foam seals around 
> the film door are shot, which would cause light leaks. I got a good deal on 
> a Canon A-1 recently on Ebay, but the foam seals were definitely shot (used 
> up a roll of film to test that), so I found a replacement seal set (also on 
> ebay) and did the replacement myself, now the camera is good and light 
> tight and will be good for a decade or two. If all of that sounds daunting, 
> then go with a better seller and make sure they've tested and confirmed 
> that the foam seals are good, and will give a full refund if they're not.
>
> Drew (who lost count of the number of film cameras I own somewhere around 
> a dozen, 3 of which I know to be good (two of those I use) and 2 or 3 
> others probably work)
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:18:20 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> I've been buying lots of stuff from CatLABS in Jamaica Plain, MA.
>> Omer does a great job of testing and inspecting each item he sells, and 
>> the prices often beat eBay.
>> If you're in the market for film gear, I can highly recommend them.
>> https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses
>>
>> Also yes, the OM-1, AE-1, and K1000 all have built in light meters, but 
>> if you are buying used, you'll need to know that they actually 
>> work.(Another plug for CatLABS is that Omer tests all gear before selling 
>> and clearly states any defects or features that do not work consistently.)
>> Circuity degrades.  My mention of the light meter on my K1000 being off 
>> by several stops,  It worked but had degraded in one of the resistors.  So 
>> with some testing I came up with a cart of where I needed to set the ISO 
>> settings in comparison to the actual film, to get the meter to work 
>> correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm 
>>> lens for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so 
>>> check around for a better price.
>>>
>>> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a 
>>> great choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure 
>>> system, so no external meter needed), and it advances the film 
>>> automatically. She’ll just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very 
>>> simple to use, but Canon lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp 
>>> images.
>>>
>>> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
>>>
>>> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me 
>>> know if you need any help.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08
>>>
>>> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others 
>>> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>>>
>>> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick:

 Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them 
 with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD 
 lens mount.

 Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn 
 about exposure it’s not the right camera. 

 If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and 
 aperture, try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay 
 with a 50mm Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which 
 means that, like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out 
 there.

 Hope this helps! Film is fun!

 --Eric N

 > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  
 wrote:
 > 
 > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
 > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
 > 
 > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
 > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
 > what "expensive" means here.
 > 
 > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
 > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
 > satisfyin

Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

This is essential news about light meters; for this and the Catlabs source,
thanks.



On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been buying lots of stuff from CatLABS in Jamaica Plain, MA.
> Omer does a great job of testing and inspecting each item he sells, and
> the prices often beat eBay.
> If you're in the market for film gear, I can highly recommend them.
> https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses
>
> Also yes, the OM-1, AE-1, and K1000 all have built in light meters, but if
> you are buying used, you'll need to know that they actually work.(Another
> plug for CatLABS is that Omer tests all gear before selling and clearly
> states any defects or features that do not work consistently.)
> Circuity degrades.  My mention of the light meter on my K1000 being off by
> several stops,  It worked but had degraded in one of the resistors.  So
> with some testing I came up with a cart of where I needed to set the ISO
> settings in comparison to the actual film, to get the meter to work
> correctly.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm
>> lens for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so
>> check around for a better price.
>>
>> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great
>> choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so
>> no external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll
>> just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon
>> lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp images.
>>
>> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
>>
>> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know
>> if you need any help.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08
>>
>> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others
>> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>>
>> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>>
>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them
>>> with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD
>>> lens mount.
>>>
>>> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn
>>> about exposure it’s not the right camera.
>>>
>>> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture,
>>> try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm
>>> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that,
>>> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>>
>>> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>>> > what "expensive" means here.
>>> >
>>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>>> > satisfying.
>>> >
>>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>>> >
>>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th
>>> birthday.
>>> >
>>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > Patrick Moore
>>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>> >
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

More useful information; thanks again. Daughter wants to learn how to
control the picture, so full manual is good. And I'd guess that $200 is the
ceiling right now, until she should really prove interest. Good to know
that highly recommended options are so readily available and inexpensive.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm
> lens for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so
> check around for a better price.
>
> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great
> choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so
> no external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll
> just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon
> lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp images.
>
> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
>
> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know
> if you need any help.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78:
> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08
>
> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others
> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>
> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them
>> with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD
>> lens mount.
>>
>> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about
>> exposure it’s not the right camera.
>>
>> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture,
>> try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm
>> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that,
>> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>>
>> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>> >
>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>> > what "expensive" means here.
>> >
>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>> > satisfying.
>> >
>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>> >
>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
>> >
>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Drew Saunders]

One advantage of keh.com or catlabs.com or other real photo dealers vs. 
individual sellers on Amazon or Ebay is that there's a good chance that the 
camera has been checked out and confirmed to be working. With most of the 
suggested cameras, there's a very high chance that the foam seals around 
the film door are shot, which would cause light leaks. I got a good deal on 
a Canon A-1 recently on Ebay, but the foam seals were definitely shot (used 
up a roll of film to test that), so I found a replacement seal set (also on 
ebay) and did the replacement myself, now the camera is good and light 
tight and will be good for a decade or two. If all of that sounds daunting, 
then go with a better seller and make sure they've tested and confirmed 
that the foam seals are good, and will give a full refund if they're not.

Drew (who lost count of the number of film cameras I own somewhere around a 
dozen, 3 of which I know to be good (two of those I use) and 2 or 3 others 
probably work)

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:18:20 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> I've been buying lots of stuff from CatLABS in Jamaica Plain, MA.
> Omer does a great job of testing and inspecting each item he sells, and 
> the prices often beat eBay.
> If you're in the market for film gear, I can highly recommend them.
> https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses
>
> Also yes, the OM-1, AE-1, and K1000 all have built in light meters, but if 
> you are buying used, you'll need to know that they actually work.(Another 
> plug for CatLABS is that Omer tests all gear before selling and clearly 
> states any defects or features that do not work consistently.)
> Circuity degrades.  My mention of the light meter on my K1000 being off by 
> several stops,  It worked but had degraded in one of the resistors.  So 
> with some testing I came up with a cart of where I needed to set the ISO 
> settings in comparison to the actual film, to get the meter to work 
> correctly.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm 
>> lens for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so 
>> check around for a better price.
>>
>> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great 
>> choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so 
>> no external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll 
>> just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon 
>> lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp images.
>>
>> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
>>
>> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know 
>> if you need any help.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08
>>
>> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others 
>> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>>
>> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>>
>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them 
>>> with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD 
>>> lens mount.
>>>
>>> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn 
>>> about exposure it’s not the right camera. 
>>>
>>> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture, 
>>> try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm 
>>> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that, 
>>> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>>
>>> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>>> > 
>>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>>> > what "expensive" means here.
>>> > 
>>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>>> > satisfying.
>>> > 
>>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>>> > 
>>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th 
>>> birthday.
>>> > 
>>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>>> > some care. She might be able to 

Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

I've been buying lots of stuff from CatLABS in Jamaica Plain, MA.
Omer does a great job of testing and inspecting each item he sells, and the
prices often beat eBay.
If you're in the market for film gear, I can highly recommend them.
https://www.catlabs.info/category/35mm-cameras-and-lenses

Also yes, the OM-1, AE-1, and K1000 all have built in light meters, but if
you are buying used, you'll need to know that they actually work.(Another
plug for CatLABS is that Omer tests all gear before selling and clearly
states any defects or features that do not work consistently.)
Circuity degrades.  My mention of the light meter on my K1000 being off by
several stops,  It worked but had degraded in one of the resistors.  So
with some testing I came up with a cart of where I needed to set the ISO
settings in comparison to the actual film, to get the meter to work
correctly.



On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm
> lens for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so
> check around for a better price.
>
> If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great
> choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so
> no external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll
> just need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon
> lenses are quite nice and will produce crisp images.
>
> The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.
>
> As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know
> if you need any help.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78:
> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08
>
> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others
> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
>
> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them
>> with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD
>> lens mount.
>>
>> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about
>> exposure it’s not the right camera.
>>
>> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture,
>> try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm
>> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that,
>> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>>
>> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>> >
>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>> > what "expensive" means here.
>> >
>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>> > satisfying.
>> >
>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>> >
>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
>> >
>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick:

That’s a little high for a T50. I recently bought one with a Canon 28mm lens 
for $30 + shipping. Works great. These cameras are very common, so check around 
for a better price.

If your daughter just wants to go out and shoot pictures, this is a great 
choice. Exposure is fully automatic (there’s a built-in exposure system, so no 
external meter needed), and it advances the film automatically. She’ll just 
need to compose the shot and focus. It’s very simple to use, but Canon lenses 
are quite nice and will produce crisp images.

The T50 is also a bit lighter than many other SLRs.

As others have pointed out, there are many choices out there. Let me know if 
you need any help.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On May 21, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08 
> 
> 
> I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others 
> think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?
> 
> Will I have to buy a light meter separately?
> 
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  > wrote:
> Patrick:
> 
> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them with 
> a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD lens 
> mount.
> 
> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about 
> exposure it’s not the right camera. 
> 
> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture, try 
> the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm 
> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that, 
> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
> 
> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
> 
> --Eric N
> 
> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  > > wrote:
> > 
> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> > 
> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> > what "expensive" means here.
> > 
> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> > satisfying.
> > 
> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> > why? Manual or automatic?
> > 
> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> > 
> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> > 
> > -- 
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> > ---
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Eric. I see this body with the lense on Amazon for $78:
https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T50-Camera-35mm-50MM/dp/B00VHCSE08

I am as ignorant of cameras as my daughter is of AM hubs. What do others
think of this as a motivated beginner's camera?

Will I have to buy a light meter separately?

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them
> with a Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD
> lens mount.
>
> Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about
> exposure it’s not the right camera.
>
> If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture,
> try the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm
> Minolta lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that,
> like the Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.
>
> Hope this helps! Film is fun!
>
> --Eric N
>
> > On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> >
> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> >
> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> > what "expensive" means here.
> >
> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> > satisfying.
> >
> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> > why? Manual or automatic?
> >
> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> >
> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Jacob Byard]

You would be hard pressed to better than Canon AE-1 Program. It uses the FD 
lens system. That makes buying lens much cheaper. The build quality is top 
level. It’s an excellent camera. 

The Olympus XA2 is a small pocketable rangefinder (more or less anyway). If 
she’s interested in street photography then this is the camera to get. This is 
my most reached for camera. 

If she’s not dead set on an SLR then a TLR is an option. These are very cool 
cameras that server as a great teaching device. 

I’d buy the Canon.  It’s got tons of flexibility and she’ll be able to use it 
for years to come. 

Cheers,

Jacob


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> On May 20, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Going with others in the now closed iBob thread.
I vote for Pentax K1000, super plentiful, cheap lenses. Fully manual.
It's what I learned film on, being a recent beginner myself.
The light meter was off by a couple stops on mine but I was able to adjust
the ISO and make up for it, shot many many rolls on it happily.  Only
recently sold it because I found another on craigslist to see if the meter
worked better on it(it did), but it also came in a lot with an Canon
AE-1(did not care for the system, shutter priority is not my thing), and a
Minolta X-700(really liked the system and decided to keep it also aperture
priority yay! and rokkor glass is very nice) and sold the rest for store
credit to get a nicer large format camera. Toyo 45CF, in case anyone is
curious :)

I think you'd do great with a fully manual such as K1000, FM2, or OM1 as
Matthew said, then upgrade from there.

--ben





On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:08 PM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> i'll cast a vote for a canon ae-1.  easy to come by, very beginner
> friendly, and, with some basic understanding of the exposure triangle, not
> too difficult to get nice looking photos that were obviously not taken on
> an iphone.  i say forget the flash and try higher iso film if she wants to
> shoot in low light.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:56:21 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual,
>> with a built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an
>> 28-80mm zoom with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an
>> aperture-priority automatic feature.
>>
>> Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would
>> absolutely recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the
>> basics of exposure and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80
>> zoom & macro has more options for closeups and learning the basics of
>> composition.
>>
>> For a beginner, I'd recommend:
>>
>> Manual, with built-in meter:
>> Pentax K1000
>> Olympus OM-1
>> Nikon FM2
>>
>> After that, I'd graduate to:
>> Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
>> Nikon FE2
>>
>> Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
>> Canon AE1
>>
>> The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the
>> FM2 is more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.
>>
>> A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup
>> for a beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a
>> multi-purpose lens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
>> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>> >
>> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
>> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
>> > what "expensive" means here.
>> >
>> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
>> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
>> > satisfying.
>> >
>> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
>> > why? Manual or automatic?
>> >
>> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th
>> birthday.
>> >
>> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
>> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Patrick Moore
>> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Paul Richardson]

i'll cast a vote for a canon ae-1.  easy to come by, very beginner 
friendly, and, with some basic understanding of the exposure triangle, not 
too difficult to get nice looking photos that were obviously not taken on 
an iphone.  i say forget the flash and try higher iso film if she wants to 
shoot in low light.  

paul
takoma park, md.
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:56:21 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual, with 
> a built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an 28-80mm 
> zoom with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an aperture-priority 
> automatic feature.
>
> Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would 
> absolutely recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the 
> basics of exposure and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80 
> zoom & macro has more options for closeups and learning the basics of 
> composition.
>
> For a beginner, I'd recommend:
>
> Manual, with built-in meter:
> Pentax K1000
> Olympus OM-1
> Nikon FM2 
>
> After that, I'd graduate to:
> Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
> Nikon FE2
>
> Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
> Canon AE1
>
> The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the FM2 
> is more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.
>
> A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup for 
> a beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a 
> multi-purpose lens.
>
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> > My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> > attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> > 
> > I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> > flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> > what "expensive" means here.
> > 
> > She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> > affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> > satisfying.
> > 
> > I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> > why? Manual or automatic?
> > 
> > I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> > 
> > My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> > some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
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> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Patrick,

I started out with my parents' Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm lens: manual, with a 
built-in light meter. I later upgraded to a Nikon FE2, with an 28-80mm zoom 
with a macro. The FE2 is also a manual, with an aperture-priority automatic 
feature.

Both of those cameras are excellent cameras for a beginner. I would absolutely 
recommend starting with a fully manual camera to learn the basics of exposure 
and lighting. A 50mm is a good starter lens; the 28-80 zoom & macro has more 
options for closeups and learning the basics of composition.

For a beginner, I'd recommend:

Manual, with built-in meter:
Pentax K1000
Olympus OM-1
Nikon FM2 

After that, I'd graduate to:
Manual, with built-in meter and aperture-priority automatic:
Nikon FE2

Manual, with built-in meter and shutter-priority automatic:
Canon AE1

The Pentax and Olympus are good cameras that won't break the bank; the FM2 is 
more expensive, but it will last a lifetime. I still use my FE2.

A 50mm lens with a set of red and yellow filters would be a good setup for a 
beginner. Once she's comfortable with the 50mm, you can get a multi-purpose 
lens.




On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Beginners SLR camera?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick:

Excellent option is the Canon T50. Simple, cheap SLR (you can find them with a 
Canon lens for less than $50 on eBay) that uses the common Canon FD lens mount.

Manual focus with automatic exposure only, so if she wants to learn about 
exposure it’s not the right camera. 

If she wants a camera that lets the user set shutter speed and aperture, try 
the Minolta SRT 101. They’re going for about $60-80 on eBay with a 50mm Minolta 
lens. It takes lenses with the Minolta SR mount, which means that, like the 
Canon, there are a bunch of nice used lenses out there.

Hope this helps! Film is fun!

--Eric N

> On May 20, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
> 
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
> 
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
> 
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
> 
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
> 
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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