Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

I think you were smart waiting for the right size.  I was lucky enough to 
try Leah's husband's (now son's) Clem H and I thought it rode a lot like my 
Appaloosa, just no lugs.  Like you, I'd rather be mid size than on the 
cusp, although if I had to choose, I'd rather be on the low PBH end, like I 
am with my A Homer Hilsen, than on the high end, like I was with Appaloosa.

Also, I had the cork grips on my mustard Appa.  They looked OK, but your 
white ones really made the color pop.  The cork grips, themselves, were 
pretty, organic, but the color really did nothing for the bike in 
general.   My third bike (also a Riv) has Ergon grips, as did all my 
previous bikes.  Next to actually learning about Riv and buying one, Ergon 
grips were the best investment I made to help alleviate my neck pain while 
riding.

Roberta

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks, Roberta!  The Clem build has evolved a bit both deliberately and 
> circumstantially.  I've also periodically added stickers when the mood 
> strikes to further personalize it... between an overflowing sticker 
> envelope begging to be emptied and as further deterrent to ever selling.  
> Not that I've *really* thought about selling, but as my only current bike 
> of actual value I may have debated it now and then to offset other 
> expenses.  I know I'd regret it, especially if my other and much older 
> bikes end up failing (which is somewhat expected with unknown history of 
> two frames being 40 years & older and a 3rd having always been mine but 
> used heavily on and off since 1994.  I was very close to ordering a mustard 
> 62cm Appaloosa when they were first released.  I ultimately passed knowing 
> I'd be on the max end of the fit range of the 62cm and would strongly 
> prefer to be at the middle or bottom end of the fit range having a history 
> of too small bikes.  I'd later join the 65cm Clem H presale but even before 
> the Mustard was announced as an option.  I just thought I'd end up with the 
> dark green that was already being used until an unexpected email from Dave 
> at Riv offering the Mustard option for those already set with the pre-sale 
> with that batch.  Having previously considered the mustard Appaloosa and 
> with another dark green bike already in my possession I didn't hesitate to 
> opt for the mustard yellow, even though I still hadn't seen it in person.  
> I was ultimately pleased with the color and it really does seem to change 
> depending on the lighting, surroundings, and components.  When paired with 
> my mix of upcycled olive canvas bags they really pull out green shades in 
> the paint.
>
> After a game of musical grips between a couple of my and my spouse's bikes 
> I ended up with a need for new grips on the Clem and choice between the 
> white silicone and Portuguese cork grips... or various bar tape options in 
> the grip box.  I've been saving a few things including those cork grips for 
> far too long for some 'final' builds, once fully settled on 
> bar/lever/shifter arrangements.  The other saved item is the now 
> discontinued Velo Orange elkhide sew-on leather tape (the longer ones sized 
> for drops.)  I *almost* used the cork grips here but went white silicone 
> instead knowing that although I do like the feel of cork (it's admittedly 
> an existing preference carried over from fishing rod grips... both textural 
> and aesthetic)  but because I have not yet tried any of these ESI type 
> grips I figured it was time to give these a try.  They are not actual ESI 
> grips but another brand Riv briefly had listed in the garage sale and added 
> to a previous order.  I do like the way the white pops in a way he cork 
> would not and even kind of complements the cream text in the Clem Smith 
> decal.  I have one set of actual Ergon grips (GP1, maybe) and another set 
> of similar style that ended up on my wife's bike but recently found Ergon 
> also now offers a GC1 model specifically made for swept back bars between 
> 30 and 60deg backsweep and may eventually give those a try on either my 
> Bullmoose or Jones bars to compare to my existing set or Ergons but not 
> looking to make any immediate changes.  I have not seen any white colors 
> offered recently with Ergon and believe you are correct that they must have 
> been discontinued.  They seem to offer their round style grips in multiple 
> colors but not with the other models.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
>> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
>> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
>> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
>> together outfit. 
>>
>> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
>> my head tube, 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks, Roberta!  The Clem build has evolved a bit both deliberately and 
circumstantially.  I've also periodically added stickers when the mood 
strikes to further personalize it... between an overflowing sticker 
envelope begging to be emptied and as further deterrent to ever selling.  
Not that I've *really* thought about selling, but as my only current bike 
of actual value I may have debated it now and then to offset other 
expenses.  I know I'd regret it, especially if my other and much older 
bikes end up failing (which is somewhat expected with unknown history of 
two frames being 40 years & older and a 3rd having always been mine but 
used heavily on and off since 1994.  I was very close to ordering a mustard 
62cm Appaloosa when they were first released.  I ultimately passed knowing 
I'd be on the max end of the fit range of the 62cm and would strongly 
prefer to be at the middle or bottom end of the fit range having a history 
of too small bikes.  I'd later join the 65cm Clem H presale but even before 
the Mustard was announced as an option.  I just thought I'd end up with the 
dark green that was already being used until an unexpected email from Dave 
at Riv offering the Mustard option for those already set with the pre-sale 
with that batch.  Having previously considered the mustard Appaloosa and 
with another dark green bike already in my possession I didn't hesitate to 
opt for the mustard yellow, even though I still hadn't seen it in person.  
I was ultimately pleased with the color and it really does seem to change 
depending on the lighting, surroundings, and components.  When paired with 
my mix of upcycled olive canvas bags they really pull out green shades in 
the paint.

After a game of musical grips between a couple of my and my spouse's bikes 
I ended up with a need for new grips on the Clem and choice between the 
white silicone and Portuguese cork grips... or various bar tape options in 
the grip box.  I've been saving a few things including those cork grips for 
far too long for some 'final' builds, once fully settled on 
bar/lever/shifter arrangements.  The other saved item is the now 
discontinued Velo Orange elkhide sew-on leather tape (the longer ones sized 
for drops.)  I *almost* used the cork grips here but went white silicone 
instead knowing that although I do like the feel of cork (it's admittedly 
an existing preference carried over from fishing rod grips... both textural 
and aesthetic)  but because I have not yet tried any of these ESI type 
grips I figured it was time to give these a try.  They are not actual ESI 
grips but another brand Riv briefly had listed in the garage sale and added 
to a previous order.  I do like the way the white pops in a way he cork 
would not and even kind of complements the cream text in the Clem Smith 
decal.  I have one set of actual Ergon grips (GP1, maybe) and another set 
of similar style that ended up on my wife's bike but recently found Ergon 
also now offers a GC1 model specifically made for swept back bars between 
30 and 60deg backsweep and may eventually give those a try on either my 
Bullmoose or Jones bars to compare to my existing set or Ergons but not 
looking to make any immediate changes.  I have not seen any white colors 
offered recently with Ergon and believe you are correct that they must have 
been discontinued.  They seem to offer their round style grips in multiple 
colors but not with the other models.

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ



On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
> together outfit. 
>
> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
> my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
> It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
> as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 
>
> I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
> hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
> grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
>  lightness vibe. 
>
> Roberta 
> Philadelphia 
>
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>>
>> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
>> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
>> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
>> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
>> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
>> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Josh C]

Gotcha, it's nice that you have a pretty secure place to park it. Sounds 
like that's changing though. I guess that I've never worried much about 
condensation. I usually take mine out of my insulated garage, ride it 
through the weather, lock up outside for something like 13 hours each work 
day, ride it home and put it right back in the temp controlled garage. 

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 10:32:20 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Thanks Josh!
> I’ve got a Rambouillet I like to commute on but I’ve been riding the Clem 
> exclusively since I busted my arm skateboarding. The Ram’s set up more 
> forward/aggressive, and is less easily shifted into a more upright 
> position. Fortunately I get to park my bikes in the back lot of my work, so 
> I rest easy through the day. When I need to lock up in the city, I use a 
> nice U-lock with a cable that I run through both wheels, seat, and 
> handlebars (when I have the bullmooses). The one advantage of riding huge 
> bikes is they’re less of a target for thieves, but still, I lock to the 
> gills. New museum construction will be pushing me out of my backlot soon, 
> so I’ll be locking up every day. The plans call for a small bike parking 
> room indoors once complete (2? 3? 4 years?). Once I end up parking inside, 
> I’ll worry a very slight bit about condensation. My bikes live in a cold or 
> hot garage depending on the weather, so I’m never rolling my warm ferrous 
> bicycle into a freezing storm, or worse, my frozen bicycle into a hot 
> parking room, a situation I’ll surely be facing. I’ve demanded that they 
> put in environmental controls to match the weather outside, but they know 
> I’m mostly joking …
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:37:36 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Kai, 
>>
>> Love that clem. Do you commute on that regularly and if so what is your 
>> lock-up situation? It looks like it's accumulated some real-world working 
>> miles, and I love it. I'm currently commuting on a Rohloff Surly but was 
>> thinking about switching over to a clem for that purpose. I lock in an open 
>> air parking garage that is tucked out of the way, but that can still be 
>> accessed by anyone who happens by, making it not the most secure parking 
>> place. I may start up a Riv commuter thread on here to see folks commuters 
>> and hear about their parking situations. I'd be interested to see how many 
>> of us on here use their Rivs as daily transportation and see pics of those 
>> rigs. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>>
>>> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
>>> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
>>> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
>>> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
>>> together outfit. 
>>>
>>> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
>>> my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
>>> It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
>>> as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 
>>>
>>> I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
>>> hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
>>> grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
>>>  lightness vibe. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>> Philadelphia 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
 Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 

 I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
 (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan 
 to 
 swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
 done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
 had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
 do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
 slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
 could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers). 
  
 I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
 collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
 priority yet.

 Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
> Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
> I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo 
> taken earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working 
> on a new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon 
> though…
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks Josh!
I’ve got a Rambouillet I like to commute on but I’ve been riding the Clem 
exclusively since I busted my arm skateboarding. The Ram’s set up more 
forward/aggressive, and is less easily shifted into a more upright 
position. Fortunately I get to park my bikes in the back lot of my work, so 
I rest easy through the day. When I need to lock up in the city, I use a 
nice U-lock with a cable that I run through both wheels, seat, and 
handlebars (when I have the bullmooses). The one advantage of riding huge 
bikes is they’re less of a target for thieves, but still, I lock to the 
gills. New museum construction will be pushing me out of my backlot soon, 
so I’ll be locking up every day. The plans call for a small bike parking 
room indoors once complete (2? 3? 4 years?). Once I end up parking inside, 
I’ll worry a very slight bit about condensation. My bikes live in a cold or 
hot garage depending on the weather, so I’m never rolling my warm ferrous 
bicycle into a freezing storm, or worse, my frozen bicycle into a hot 
parking room, a situation I’ll surely be facing. I’ve demanded that they 
put in environmental controls to match the weather outside, but they know 
I’m mostly joking …
-Kai

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:37:36 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Kai, 
>
> Love that clem. Do you commute on that regularly and if so what is your 
> lock-up situation? It looks like it's accumulated some real-world working 
> miles, and I love it. I'm currently commuting on a Rohloff Surly but was 
> thinking about switching over to a clem for that purpose. I lock in an open 
> air parking garage that is tucked out of the way, but that can still be 
> accessed by anyone who happens by, making it not the most secure parking 
> place. I may start up a Riv commuter thread on here to see folks commuters 
> and hear about their parking situations. I'd be interested to see how many 
> of us on here use their Rivs as daily transportation and see pics of those 
> rigs. 
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
>> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
>> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
>> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
>> together outfit. 
>>
>> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
>> my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
>> It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
>> as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 
>>
>> I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
>> hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
>> grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
>>  lightness vibe. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>> Philadelphia 
>>
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>>>
>>> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
>>> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
>>> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
>>> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
>>> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
>>> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
>>> slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
>>> could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  
>>> I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
>>> collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
>>> priority yet.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
 Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
 I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken 
 earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a 
 new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…
 -Kai


 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Finally documented the current state of the Clem with its unseasonably 
> white grips after sneaking out for a lunch ride earlier.  
>
> With another saddle/seatpost swap, front and rear racks back on, and 
> finally getting around to the front v-brake swap to get the needed 
> noodle/straddle wire clearance with the fork crown mount with slightly 
> shorter arms.  Haven’t switched rear v-brakes and may not unless my wife 
> objects to the black and silver brake mullet.  But it was easy 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Richard Rose]

I am going to join in on this thread with my Gus. After carefully procuring just the right parts & building up my Gus myself (first time) I am making some changes. First, I will be swapping out my Deore rear derailleur for a NOS T400 Nexave rapid rise unit. Trail riding on the Gus has convinced me that Rapid Rise is worth the experiment. The promise of easier downshifting under duress is attractive. Along with this change I will be discarding the Microshift thumb shifters for Silver 2’s. I have them on my Clem & adore them. And while I am at it & although I love Bosco bars on the Gus & Clem, I think I want a slightly more aggressive handlebar yo better exploit the Gus’s singletrack abilities. So, an Albacore handlebar from Hope Cyclery is on its way to me. Unfortunately this will require a different, shorter stem. Probably a 35mm Boxcar. Should be a very different bike. Fingers crossed.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 21, 2023, at 9:37 AM, Josh C  wrote:Kai, Love that clem. Do you commute on that regularly and if so what is your lock-up situation? It looks like it's accumulated some real-world working miles, and I love it. I'm currently commuting on a Rohloff Surly but was thinking about switching over to a clem for that purpose. I lock in an open air parking garage that is tucked out of the way, but that can still be accessed by anyone who happens by, making it not the most secure parking place. I may start up a Riv commuter thread on here to see folks commuters and hear about their parking situations. I'd be interested to see how many of us on here use their Rivs as daily transportation and see pics of those rigs. On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:Ryan,I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put together outfit. I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more  lightness vibe. Roberta Philadelphia On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a priority yet.Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY  wrote:Big Clems in New Jersey!! I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…-KaiOn Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Finally documented the current state of the Clem with its unseasonably white grips after sneaking out for a lunch ride earlier.  With another saddle/seatpost swap, front and rear racks back on, and finally getting around to the front v-brake swap to get the needed noodle/straddle wire clearance with the fork crown mount with slightly shorter arms.  Haven’t switched rear v-brakes and may not unless my wife objects to the black and silver brake mullet.  But it was easy enough to swap the arms with leaving cables and noodles intact so will see.Brian




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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Josh C]

Kai, 

Love that clem. Do you commute on that regularly and if so what is your 
lock-up situation? It looks like it's accumulated some real-world working 
miles, and I love it. I'm currently commuting on a Rohloff Surly but was 
thinking about switching over to a clem for that purpose. I lock in an open 
air parking garage that is tucked out of the way, but that can still be 
accessed by anyone who happens by, making it not the most secure parking 
place. I may start up a Riv commuter thread on here to see folks commuters 
and hear about their parking situations. I'd be interested to see how many 
of us on here use their Rivs as daily transportation and see pics of those 
rigs. 

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
> has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
> really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
> together outfit. 
>
> I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match 
> my head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
> It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
> as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 
>
> I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
> hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
> grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
>  lightness vibe. 
>
> Roberta 
> Philadelphia 
>
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>>
>> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
>> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
>> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
>> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
>> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
>> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
>> slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
>> could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  
>> I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
>> collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
>> priority yet.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
>>> Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
>>> I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken 
>>> earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a 
>>> new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 Finally documented the current state of the Clem with its unseasonably 
 white grips after sneaking out for a lunch ride earlier.  

 With another saddle/seatpost swap, front and rear racks back on, and 
 finally getting around to the front v-brake swap to get the needed 
 noodle/straddle wire clearance with the fork crown mount with slightly 
 shorter arms.  Haven’t switched rear v-brakes and may not unless my wife 
 objects to the black and silver brake mullet.  But it was easy enough to 
 swap the arms with leaving cables and noodles intact so will see.

 Brian

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

Ryan,

I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
together outfit. 

I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match my 
head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 

I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
 lightness vibe. 

Roberta 
Philadelphia 

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>
> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
> slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
> could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  
> I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
> collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
> priority yet.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
>> Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
>> I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken 
>> earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a 
>> new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Finally documented the current state of the Clem with its unseasonably 
>>> white grips after sneaking out for a lunch ride earlier.  
>>>
>>> With another saddle/seatpost swap, front and rear racks back on, and 
>>> finally getting around to the front v-brake swap to get the needed 
>>> noodle/straddle wire clearance with the fork crown mount with slightly 
>>> shorter arms.  Haven’t switched rear v-brakes and may not unless my wife 
>>> objects to the black and silver brake mullet.  But it was easy enough to 
>>> swap the arms with leaving cables and noodles intact so will see.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All is well! It’s still a fun thread. I’ll figure out the seat post 
eventually. It seems to me to be working fine the way I have everything, 
even if it does involve an ugly seat post. I love the grips so far and I 
only wish Deb would make some ivory ones to match my other saddle. 

Anyway, it’s fun to change up the look now and then. And with a growing 
number of RivSisters in the fan base, you can expect more fashion threads 
and bike outfit threads. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Apologies in advance for indulging in yet another non Riv build show and 
> tell, although this one has essentially served as my 
> Quickbeam/SimpleOne/Roaduno placeholder since I’ve acquired the frame.  
> Having dug up some of my previous build pics and finally documenting its 
> current build this afternoon I’ve just been reminiscing over some of my 
> impulsive makeovers and also laughing at the many parts that have passed 
> between frames (in some cases going full circle on multiple occasions!)
>
> Trekking bar ruffy tuffy roadish build 1.0
> Flipped north road scorcher
> Mustachioed underbike
> Choco low rider 
> Choco basketeer 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[lconley]

Obviously, the saddle and grips must match. I have a Brooks Honey saddle 
and honey bar tape for my Custom.
I seem to remember something about not wearing white after Labor Day...

Secondarily, when I bought my 1st Rivendell Sam Hillborne it had a 27.2 
seapost, when I bought my 2nd Sam Hillborne it had a 26.8 seatpost, same 
outer diameter - 28.6. The 26.8 uses 0.9 thick tube and the 27.2 uses 0.7 
thick tube. Then there is the Bombadil with 0.8 thick tube and a 27.0 
seatpost (same as the Guv'nor). At one time, Grant obviously thought that 
0.7 was thick enough. I honed the Bombadil out to 27.15 or so with an 
automotive brake cylinder hone, so that I could use the Nitto Lugged 
seatpost. It took may hours and two sets of honing stones. I have since 
purchased a 27.2 reamer that I haven't used yet, but I cannot image it 
taking over an hour, or even half an hour to do the deed. Prep will take 
longer - removing the crank and bottom bracket and cleaning out the seat 
tube and re-coating with Boeshield.

Laing

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 3:48:50 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
> certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)
>
> I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
> do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
> to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
> options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
> it.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
>> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
>> size.
>>
>> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
>> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
>> model and size.
>>
>> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
>> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>>  
>> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
>> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
>> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>>
>> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
>> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
>> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
>> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
>> mm wall thickness. 
>>
>> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
>> believe it. 
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>>> happen! No pressure or anything. "
>>>
>>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>>
>>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John, 
 My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
 Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
 grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
 being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
 one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
 have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate 
 so 
 keep 1000 things on my bars!

 Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
 trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
 the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 

 Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat 
 post deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 

 Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ryan]

Think I was the one to mention the seatpost and I apologize for opening
a wound when the real point was Leah's new saddle and those snazzy
grips

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 2:48:50 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
> certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)
>
> I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
> do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
> to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
> options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
> it.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
>> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
>> size.
>>
>> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
>> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
>> model and size.
>>
>> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
>> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>>  
>> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
>> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
>> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>>
>> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
>> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
>> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
>> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
>> mm wall thickness. 
>>
>> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
>> believe it. 
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>>> happen! No pressure or anything. "
>>>
>>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>>
>>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John, 
 My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
 Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
 grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
 being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
 one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
 have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate 
 so 
 keep 1000 things on my bars!

 Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
 trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
 the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 

 Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat 
 post deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 

 Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
 RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.

 Leah

 On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback 
 (approx 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD 
 to be full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not 
 have the setback she needs.


 The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
 postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat 
 tube 
 to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
 of the seat tube??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ


 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Johnny Alien]

For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)

I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
it.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
> size.
>
> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
> model and size.
>
> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>  
> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>
> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
> mm wall thickness. 
>
> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
> believe it. 
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>> happen! No pressure or anything. "
>>
>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>
>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John, 
>>> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
>>> Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
>>> grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
>>> being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
>>> one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
>>> have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so 
>>> keep 1000 things on my bars!
>>>
>>> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
>>> trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
>>> the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 
>>>
>>> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
>>> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 
>>>
>>> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
>>> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
>>> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
>>> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
>>> the setback she needs.
>>>
>>>
>>> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
>>> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
>>> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
>>> of the seat tube??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
 subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
 perspective: 
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ

 Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Mathias Steiner]

I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
size.

Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
model and size.

But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
 
Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.

>From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
mm wall thickness. 

I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
believe it. 

cheers -mathias

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! And 
> I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
> happen! No pressure or anything. "
>
> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I do 
> not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on luggage.  
> :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though I am 
> plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that service 
> performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the tool 
> and know how to use it.  
>
> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
> labor, would you want to do it?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> John, 
>> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. Now 
>> that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new grips 
>> sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of being 
>> cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was one of 
>> those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would have 
>> chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so keep 
>> 1000 things on my bars!
>>
>> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would trust 
>> you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the 
>> tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 
>>
>> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
>> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 
>>
>> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
>> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
>> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
>> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
>> the setback she needs.
>>
>>
>> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
>> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
>> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
>> of the seat tube??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>>> perspective: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>>
>>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
 them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the 
 hole 
 is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! And 
I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
happen! No pressure or anything. "

I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I do 
not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on luggage.  
:)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though I am 
plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that service 
performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the tool 
and know how to use it.  

*While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
labor, would you want to do it?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John, 
> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. Now 
> that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new grips 
> sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of being 
> cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was one of 
> those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would have 
> chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so keep 
> 1000 things on my bars!
>
> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would trust 
> you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the 
> tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 
>
> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 
>
> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>
> Leah
>
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
> the setback she needs.
>
>
> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
> of the seat tube??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>> perspective: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>
>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
 frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 

 Ryan,
 That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
 the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
 This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
 been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
 Leah

 On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
 for that lovely bike.just saying

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I like them both equally cuz what am I, STUPID?? Don't answer that! 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:08:04 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Oops, I did it again...
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
>> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
>> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 藍
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
>> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
>> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
>> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
>> folks.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘
>>>
>>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
 poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
 Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>
> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
> it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
> new' 
> claim.
>
> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
> released 
> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were 
> discontinued.  
> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited 
> colors 
> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>
> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>
> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a 
> few 
> size/color combos still seem to remain:
> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>
>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>>> Gravel 
>>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>>> RivSister, 
>>> Brian!
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne <
>>> lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture 
>>> was 
>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner. 
>>>  I 
>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the 
>>> year 
>>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning 
>>> before 
>>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new 
>>> and 
>>> lighter build on this bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but 
>>> with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized 
>>> chainring 
>>> guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

Oops, I did it again...
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 藍
>
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
> folks.
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘
>>
>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
 grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
 attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.

 Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
 it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
 new' 
 claim.

 The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
 previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
 released 
 but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued. 
  
 I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
 I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
 release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.

 I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
 and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:

 https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue

 This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
 make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
 size/color combos still seem to remain:
 https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>> Gravel 
>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>> RivSister, 
>> Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
>> I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the 
>> year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning 
>> before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
>> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
>> guard 
>> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
>> mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its 
>> current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
>> weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 藍On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading folks.DougOn Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:MEN. Even I eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' claim.The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blueThis year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few size/color combos still seem to remain:https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravelOn Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing that in your makeover postPink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  wrote:Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and lighter build on this bike.I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to better match the gears and tread with terrain.I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check 
the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous 
Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the 
previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
folks.
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘
>
> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>
>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>>> claim.
>>>
>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>
>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>
>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>
>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
 seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
 Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
 recall seeing that in your makeover post

 Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
> chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
> came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
> I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
> guard 
> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
> mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
> weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for 
> a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different 
> gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or 
> cogs/freewheels 
> to better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joe Bernard]

MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘

Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>
>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>> claim.
>>
>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>
>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>
>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>
>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
>> them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>>
>>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
 had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
 chainring 
 guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
 came 
 in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!

 On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
 wrote:

 Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
 (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
 captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
 ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
 while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
 reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
 removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
 being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
 decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
 lighter build on this bike.


 I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
 no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard 
 now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
 blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
 shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
 and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
 rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
 months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.

 A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
 more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
 between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
 better match the gears and tread with terrain.

 I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
 like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
 in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
 with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
 each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 
 30min 
 loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
 here or there and do more make-overs!

 Brian Cole

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Dorothy C]

Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips 
> and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, 
> but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>
> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
> claim.
>
> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>
> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and 
> here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>
> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
> them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
> size/color combos still seem to remain:
> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>
>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>>> lighter build on this bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>>
>>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>>
>>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.

 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips 
and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, 
but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.

Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
claim.

The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.

I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and 
here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue

This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
size/color combos still seem to remain:
https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
> setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
> even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
> that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>
>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>
>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Slin]

Leah - 

For you Clem you might be able to lower your stem a few inches to try to 
fit it to your new preference. 

Btw, were any of your bikes fit and set up by Analog Cycles? Just curious 
if this is the ‘enlightened fit’ style. 

Slin

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
> setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
> even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
> that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>
>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>
>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Sarah Carlson]

Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
that in your makeover post

Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had 
> would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like 
> between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in 
> rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with 
> at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at 
> least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min loop.  
> The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things here or 
> there and do more make-overs!
>
> Brian Cole
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  wrote:Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and lighter build on this bike.I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to better match the gears and tread with terrain.I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things here or there and do more make-overs!Brian ColeOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

I believe the ACTUAL Set Back (SB) of the IRD Wayback is 2cm MORE Than the 
Indication.   This is based on measurements I made using a Sakae MTE-100 
adjustable setback seat post on a workbench with the seatpost at a 73° to 
the horizontal, which mimics the actual angel it is on a 'nominal' frame, 
and results in the seatpost clamp being horizontal.  The IRD is based on 
the Sakae MTE-100 design 

You stated you are currently at 42 to 43 SB (the units are mm), which would 
be an Actual SB of 6.2 to 6.3 cm.   This increased SB  is like a seat tube 
angel which 3.5° less than what you have.  As Garth pointed out, the Platy 
STA is 71.5°, so your effective STA with your current SB is 68°.

Most seatposts have setbacks of 2.0 to 3.0cm, so you are about 3.0 to 4.0 
cm further setback.   Your new grips would have to be 3 to 4 cm further up 
the bars than the old, in order to have a seat post SB of 2 to 3 cm, the 
range of a normal seat post.

Alternately, cutting the bars by 2cm may be enough, with the new grips, to 
reduce your SB to 2 to 3 cm for a normal seatpost and also move you to a 
more 'normal' position.   A 2cm shorter bar may not decrease your real 
estate in the areas that matter.

Otherwise, The IRD Wayback looks good on your Platy and looks even better 
when you consider "Form is following Function'

Also, as you pointed out earlier, your Platy frame seems to be 'short'.  
The SB you are using indicates the frame needs a 3 to 4cm longer effective 
top tube length, to reduce the SB to a 'normal' range.   Do you have 
similar SBs on your other RBW frames???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:02:54 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John, 
> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. Now 
> that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new grips 
> sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of being 
> cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was one of 
> those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would have 
> chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so keep 
> 1000 things on my bars!
>
> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would trust 
> you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the 
> tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 
>
> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 
>
> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>
> Leah
>
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
> the setback she needs.
>
>
> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
> of the seat tube??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>> perspective: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>
>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
 frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 

 Ryan,
 That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joseph Tousignant]

   Well Garth, if she decides she doesn't need the setback after all with 
those  handlebarsbars, there is always the Thompson Elite straight seatpost 
in 26.8 x 330 in BLACK below,  also listed on sale at $85.79  :-)

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/elite-seatpost-26-8-x-330mm-black/

 A bit of nostalgia for me,... I believe the (4) 1987 Schwinn Cimarron 
early mountain bike frames in red I've accumulated over the decades in 
various sizes all also use a 26.8 mm seat post. My FIRST serious bike at 
age 31 was a MUCH too small red 1987 Cimarron, but it was the only one 
Rudy's Bikeshop (retired and long gone ) in North Troy NY had in stock at 
the time,... AND I had money to burn! :-)   

  With a rear rack and a nylon set of panniers, it cost about $700 with tax 
back in 1987!   It hurt making about maybe $80 a week, but I still have 
that bike, and looked for larger 1987 red frames on the bay at reasonable 
prices,... and I also use one of those occasionally "just because" I 
learned a VERY important physics lesson with it. 

Not a week after buying it, I popped a wheelie in a parking lot and 
discovered that you MUST not land with the handlebars turned! I also 
learned I could FLY at the same time... :-)  hehe

 Possibly the 26.8 tube size was looked at as a bit stronger for early MTB 
use back then, and I'm not sure if the Chromoly steel was thicker or not , 
but ALL have never had an issue other than lack of choice in the current 
and many decade long 27.2 mm diameter frame seat tube popularity.

Cheers,
Joe T

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> What's being glossed over here in all the talk of mega-setback posts is 
> that Leah has expressed in the past that the only reason she resorted to 
> such a post was for more reach to the bars because she wasn't aware of any 
> other way to get the bar height equal to the Technomic 280mm quill stem(it 
> only comes in a max 100mm extension). As I described in an earlier post, a 
> combination of the Long/Tall Nitto quill adapter plus a positive ride 
> threadless stem can offer the same height plus more forward extension as 
> such stems are available up to 140mm. It's a matter of simple geometry. 
>
> Not only does she not need to be that fat back of the bottom bracket, it 
> makes for a less efficient use one's inherent power. (There are some people 
> with proportionally long femurs who may want more set back if too far 
> forward, but that isn't common and isn't Leah here). I remember Leah's 
> Betty Foy where she had a regular setback post and the reach forward she 
> wanted. The Betty seat tube angle is 72d, while the Platy has an even more 
> shallow 71.5. That geometry difference alone accounts for about 6-7mm more 
> setback, relative to the center BB. She obviously doesn't need even more 
> setback. I also recall Leah in her riding stories how she tended to stand 
> while climbing. What does that do ?  It places you more forward into the 
> "sweet spot" of utilizing the core(strongest) muscles. It's literally like 
> dancing on the pedals, "light on your feet" kind of feeling, where you feel 
> perfectly balanced over the bb where you're strongest. Here it's easy to 
> bend up and down and all around. Being too far back or forward you just 
> can't dance and you're off-center balance. Try it for yourself. That same 
> balancing point can be experienced while seated by moving your body forward 
> relative to the center BB. Where exactly that is varies for everyone, so do 
> experiment. 
>
> If the proper center point and relative reach forward reach isn't 
> achievable on a given frame then that frame is not a good fit to begin with 
> no matter how pretty it may be. Having wayback bars and shallow head tube 
> angles on Riv's doesn't help any as you have converging seat and head 
> angles, the more you raise the bars the closer they get, dramatically. Bike 
> fitting isn't mysterious or difficult and it certainly doesn't help to just 
> ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter. Have some fun with it if you will 
> !  
>
> Once she gets into a better position she won't have to lament over how and 
> who can enlarge the seat tube as she already has a regular 26.8 post. I 
> can't recall if it's a Nitto or Kalloy but if it slips there are ways of 
> adding grip-tion to the part that slips. 
>
> It's a nice day for a ride :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Garth]

What's being glossed over here in all the talk of mega-setback posts is 
that Leah has expressed in the past that the only reason she resorted to 
such a post was for more reach to the bars because she wasn't aware of any 
other way to get the bar height equal to the Technomic 280mm quill stem(it 
only comes in a max 100mm extension). As I described in an earlier post, a 
combination of the Long/Tall Nitto quill adapter plus a positive ride 
threadless stem can offer the same height plus more forward extension as 
such stems are available up to 140mm. It's a matter of simple geometry. 

Not only does she not need to be that fat back of the bottom bracket, it 
makes for a less efficient use one's inherent power. (There are some people 
with proportionally long femurs who may want more set back if too far 
forward, but that isn't common and isn't Leah here). I remember Leah's 
Betty Foy where she had a regular setback post and the reach forward she 
wanted. The Betty seat tube angle is 72d, while the Platy has an even more 
shallow 71.5. That geometry difference alone accounts for about 6-7mm more 
setback, relative to the center BB. She obviously doesn't need even more 
setback. I also recall Leah in her riding stories how she tended to stand 
while climbing. What does that do ?  It places you more forward into the 
"sweet spot" of utilizing the core(strongest) muscles. It's literally like 
dancing on the pedals, "light on your feet" kind of feeling, where you feel 
perfectly balanced over the bb where you're strongest. Here it's easy to 
bend up and down and all around. Being too far back or forward you just 
can't dance and you're off-center balance. Try it for yourself. That same 
balancing point can be experienced while seated by moving your body forward 
relative to the center BB. Where exactly that is varies for everyone, so do 
experiment. 

If the proper center point and relative reach forward reach isn't 
achievable on a given frame then that frame is not a good fit to begin with 
no matter how pretty it may be. Having wayback bars and shallow head tube 
angles on Riv's doesn't help any as you have converging seat and head 
angles, the more you raise the bars the closer they get, dramatically. Bike 
fitting isn't mysterious or difficult and it certainly doesn't help to just 
ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter. Have some fun with it if you will 
!  

Once she gets into a better position she won't have to lament over how and 
who can enlarge the seat tube as she already has a regular 26.8 post. I 
can't recall if it's a Nitto or Kalloy but if it slips there are ways of 
adding grip-tion to the part that slips. 

It's a nice day for a ride :)

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

John, My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so keep 1000 things on my bars!Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.LeahOn Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have the setback she needs.The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat post    Are they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle of the seat tube??John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different perspective: https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJEvery bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to permit something as nice as the Nitto S84.Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ryan,That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.LeahOn Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpostfor that lovely bike.just sayingOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joseph Tousignant]

Leah, it seems to me the way to go is pick up a nice looking, reliable, and 
tough seatpost like a Thomson Elite setback seatpost like this one in 
26.8mm diameter. They may make it is silver also but black is all I've ever 
used. On sale at $85.79 below, and I have NO involvement with the seller. 
:-)

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/elite-setback-seatpost-26-8-x-330-black/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-KipBhBtEiwAWjgwrOEHZqApBkZKdn3D8viyVSNzW4l2v3b2_LQiouI1t01nVaoRtJVwFBoCPWYQAvD_BwE

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:50:40 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah, if only you could link up with a trustworthy board member-mechanic 
> who could carefully ream the seat tube for her! I'm not sure who that would 
> be 樂 The S84 is the ultimate. 
>
> I certainly understand your reluctance to have a local shop do this for 
> you after the recent stories you shared! 
>
> They're not super easy to find but the SR MTE-100 seatpost (that the IRD 
> post you have is based on) comes in a 26.8 but looks only slightly better 
> than your IRD, IMO. A saved eBay search would help. But I wouldn't think 
> it's worth it for you to track one down considering the IRD is working for 
> you. 
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
>> local bikeshops
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>>> perspective: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>>
>>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
 them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the 
 hole 
 is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

 Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
 it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
 well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 



 On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the 
> most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Ryan,
> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
> the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
> This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
> been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
> Leah
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
> for that lovely bike.just saying
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> AND After…
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>> image5.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
>> Makeover thread.
>>
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
>> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips 
>> and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
>> the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of 
>> season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
>> it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
>> Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
>> me the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Eric Marth]

Leah, if only you could link up with a trustworthy board member-mechanic 
who could carefully ream the seat tube for her! I'm not sure who that would 
be 樂 The S84 is the ultimate. 

I certainly understand your reluctance to have a local shop do this for you 
after the recent stories you shared! 

They're not super easy to find but the SR MTE-100 seatpost (that the IRD 
post you have is based on) comes in a 26.8 but looks only slightly better 
than your IRD, IMO. A saved eBay search would help. But I wouldn't think 
it's worth it for you to track one down considering the IRD is working for 
you. 

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
> local bikeshops
>
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>> perspective: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>
>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
 frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 

 Ryan,
 That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
 the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
 This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
 been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
 Leah

 On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
 for that lovely bike.just saying

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
> Makeover thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
> the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
> I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
> it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
> Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
> me the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather 
> grips 
> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a 
> pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
the setback she needs.

The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
of the seat tube??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
> perspective: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>
> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
> 
> .
>
> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]


 AND After…
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
 image5.jpeg]


 On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.


 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
 occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
 Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
 I 
 was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
 out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
 Platypus, 
 slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

 “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
 me the unvarnished truth. 

 I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
 found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
 didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
 chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
 in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
 throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
 abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
 elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
 texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 

 This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
 wholly appointed to its duty.

 Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
 to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

 Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ryan]

but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
local bikeshops


On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
> perspective: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>
> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
> 
> .
>
> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]


 AND After…
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
 image5.jpeg]


 On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.


 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
 occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
 Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
 I 
 was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
 out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
 Platypus, 
 slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

 “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
 me the unvarnished truth. 

 I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
 found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
 didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
 chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
 in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
 throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
 abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
 elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
 texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 

 This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
 wholly appointed to its duty.

 Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
 to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

 Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[ascpgh]

The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
perspective: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ

Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
.

Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh




On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it 
> to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well 
> but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Ryan,
>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> AND After…
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>>> image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Garth]

Leah, there are alternatives to the Technomic stem, I assume you have the 
regular/non-deluxe 280mm tall one in a 100mm extension, correct ? 
A combo of the Nitto quill stem adapter in the 225mm quill length in 
addition to a positive rise threadless stem, in this case a 120mm +/-17 
degree one will will give the same height as a tall 280mm Technomic with a 
100mm extension, plus an additional forward extension of 21mm. Same bar 
height, +21mm extension so you can use any normal setback seatpost and you 
don't have to be so far back, which is in itself a whole 'nother subject 
that I've discussed in the past. aka "going backward of the bottom bracket 
for more reach forward is going the wrong direction". Symptoms of being too 
far back include not being able to stay seated on climbs and/or needing 
lower gearing because you can't use your core muscles efficiently while 
seated uphill. If you can take your hands off the bars uphill and still 
pedal relatively effectively(not losing power), that's a sweet spot of 
effectiveness :) 

You may find however that in going forward you may want the bars slightly 
lower, don't be afraid to experiment ! 

The Nitto adapter is in stock at Alex's Cycle from Japan for $49, plus $23 
shipping (if that's all you bought). Nitto makes a 120mm, +/-17d 25.4 bore 
stem, the NJ-89 I think it's called. You may be better off buying one with 
a larger bore + shim rather than a 25.4 in case you ever changed bars to a 
larger bore. If not just get the NJ-89. Alex's has that also. I have not 
seen a lower priced non-NJS Nitto stem in 25.4 bore with a +/-17degree 
rise/fall. 

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:02:49 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oooh, a custom titanium seatpost. That's whatcha need, Leah! 
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:37:38 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
>> there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
>> custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
>> Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
>> list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
>> stems are available too. 
>>
>> I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
>> approved. 
>>
>> A fine looking bicycle indeed.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
>>> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
>>> 26.8. 
>>>
>>> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
>>> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
>>> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
>>>
>>> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that 
>>> ugly post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure 
>>> what problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that 
>>> post has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to 
>>> the bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
 Saddlesack, the BagBoy.

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 Leah


 Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you 
 have??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
> Makeover thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
> the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
> I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
> it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
> Platypus, 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Johnny Alien]

I agree with Ian that it looks fine. That seatpost has massive amounts of 
setback and it looks like you are at the limit so even with 27.2 I don't 
think you will find a better looking seatpost with the amount of setback 
you have on this one. Even custom I think it would be tough to do it more 
elegantly. On a great looking bike like that no one is staring at the 
seatpost anyway. :)

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:02:49 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oooh, a custom titanium seatpost. That's whatcha need, Leah! 
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:37:38 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
>> there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
>> custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
>> Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
>> list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
>> stems are available too. 
>>
>> I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
>> approved. 
>>
>> A fine looking bicycle indeed.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
>>> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
>>> 26.8. 
>>>
>>> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
>>> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
>>> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
>>>
>>> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that 
>>> ugly post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure 
>>> what problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that 
>>> post has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to 
>>> the bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
 Saddlesack, the BagBoy.

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 Leah


 Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you 
 have??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
> Makeover thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
> the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
> I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
> it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
> Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
> me the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather 
> grips 
> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a 
> pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>
> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Oooh, a custom titanium seatpost. That's whatcha need, Leah! 

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:37:38 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
> there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
> custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
> Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
> list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
> stems are available too. 
>
> I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
> approved. 
>
> A fine looking bicycle indeed.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
>> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
>> 26.8. 
>>
>> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
>> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
>> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
>>
>> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that ugly 
>> post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure what 
>> problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post 
>> has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the 
>> bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
>>> Saddlesack, the BagBoy.
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you 
>>> have??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]


 AND After…
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
 image5.jpeg]


 On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.


 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
 occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
 Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
 I 
 was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
 out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
 Platypus, 
 slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

 “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
 me the unvarnished truth. 

 I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
 found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
 didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
 chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
 in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
 throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
 abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
 elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
 texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 

 This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
 wholly appointed to its duty.

 Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
 to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

 Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ian A]

For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
stems are available too. 

I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
approved. 

A fine looking bicycle indeed.

IanA Alberta Canada



On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
> 26.8. 
>
> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
>
> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that ugly 
> post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure what 
> problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post 
> has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the 
> bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
>> Saddlesack, the BagBoy.
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you 
>> have??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> AND After…
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>>> image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 26.8. Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that ugly post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:LeahI thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.    Not sure what problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s Saddlesack, the BagBoy.On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:LeahYour changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you have??John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure what 
problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post 
has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the 
bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
> Saddlesack, the BagBoy.
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you have??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> AND After…
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>> image5.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s Saddlesack, the BagBoy.On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:LeahYour changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you have??John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you have??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
> thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
> the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
> interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to 
> match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>
> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Jacob Byard]

I used an adjustable reamer on my Gus. The affordable 27.2 reamer was out of stock and I couldn’t justify spending hundreds. I went slowly and used a 27.2 seatpost as my gauge. Once the post fit I stopped with the reamer. It was so simple and took about 10 minutes. My first time using a reamer too. I may not trust a bike shop to do it but if there’s a frame builder in your area they could easily handle it. Cheers,Jacob Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 12, 2023, at 7:36 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ryan,That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.LeahOn Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpostfor that lovely bike.just sayingOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Johnny Alien]

I'm with you...the thought makes me way too nervous.

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it 
> to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well 
> but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Ryan,
>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> AND After…
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>>> image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

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I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ryan,That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.LeahOn Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpostfor that lovely bike.just sayingOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Johnny Alien]

Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it 
to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well 
but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Ryan,
> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
> Leah
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
> for that lovely bike.just saying
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> AND After…
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>> image5.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

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Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ryan,That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.LeahOn Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpostfor that lovely bike.just sayingOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

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Ryan,That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.LeahOn Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpostfor that lovely bike.just sayingOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:AND After…On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

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Wow -- those grips are amazing! Great find for the Platypus!
David (and I'm a vegetarian) Lipsky
Berkeley, CA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 7:54:40 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
> for that lovely bike.just saying
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> AND After…
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>> image5.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ryan]

the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
for that lovely bike.just saying

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
> thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
> the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
> interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to 
> match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>
> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
> Leah
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