Re: [RBW] Compass Elk Pass tires on 2003 custom

2015-09-05 Thread Joe Broach 
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the report on the EPs. Bummer that they're coming in undersized.
I was thinking about them as replacements for the old Avocets on the 92
XO-1 in our fleet, but I want to stick to 32s. What did the Kojaks measure?

Best,
joe in pdx or

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 32 miles this afternoon on a new pair of Elk Passes. They do feel ("feel")
> faster than the Kojaks but, interesting, I the difference is more apparent
> when climbing than on the flats; though they do feel faster on the flats,
> too -- just not as big a difference in "feel" on the flats compared to the
> Pro Race 3s; the PR 3s, OTOH, felt very good climbing.
>
> 5 of the 32 miles were sandy dirt, though the sand is packed because of
> recent rains. No problems, though 50 mm is of course better for such
> terrain.
>
> The EPs measure just under 29 mm on the Sun/Ringle "Equalizers, 21 mm
> outside, compared to just under 27.5 mm on the 19 outside Sun M14As.
> Definitely narrower than labeled, though as far as my tastes go, 28 mm is a
> real sweet spot.
>
> 55/60 feels good; 60 rear carried a ~25 lb rear load quite well. I find
> that I like the EPs about 5 psi lower than the Kojaks.
>
> The EPs newly installed on the Equalizers run just shy of 24.75" in
> diameter, compared to about 24.8 for the Kojaks on the same rims. (The 650C
> Pro Race 3s on 19 mm outside rims measured 24.5".)
>
> I may compare the Kojaks tubeless versus the EPs with tubes and sealant --
> I wonder how that would feel. I read a "test" recently that compared
> tubulars, clinchers with tubes, and the same clinchers without tubes, and
> according to this test -- some 5 tires or so -- there is a noticeable
> improvement when you remove the tubes. I wish the EPs could be run
> tubeless, but I'm not complaining!
>
> Thumbs up!
>
> How many miles are you mid-weights (I'm 170) getting from REAR mid-width
> Compass Extra Light tires?
>
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Re: [RBW] Compass Elk Pass tires on 2003 custom

2015-09-05 Thread Patrick Moore 
No, alas and alack, only certain models are tubeless ready.

Still: Initial sentiments, carefully edited to accommodate early use
enthusiasm, say that, tubes and sealant and all, they are very fast, not to
mention very smoth.

As far as weight goes, an Elk Pass at 175 grams (the instances I've weighed
on my Pelouze analogue mail scale vary between 170 and 180 grams) plus a
standard butyl 559 X 1" tube* at 75 grams is right in there with
racing-light 700C tubulars, at 250 grams. And this is for tires that
measure a true 27 to 29 mm, not 19 mm. Add sealant at 80 grams for 2 fluid
oz, and your are still at a very light 330 grams total per wheel.

The ultra light racing 650C X 23 mm Michelin Pro Race 3s and 4s weigh a
consistent 184 grams each. The wire bead Kojaks (after wearing down over
some ~1200 miles) weight ~370 grams each. (Note: Per Schwalbe themselves,
the wire bead Kojaks have the same casing and tread as the lighter Kevlar
version.)

I'd love, love, love to run the Elk Passes sans tubes; but I'm not
complaining!

* I use 26 X 1" and 650C X 23 mm tubes for anything narrower than 2" wide;
no problems over 25 years. Hell, I've used 26 X 1"/650C X 23 in 559 X 2"
tires with no problems!

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Justin August 
wrote:

> I thought all the new Compass tires were tubeless ready. Is that not the
> case for these?
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Compass Elk Pass tires on 2003 custom

2015-09-05 Thread Patrick Moore 
The Kojaks measured just shy of 32 mm on the 21 mm (outside) Equalizers.

But if you don't mind spending $78 per tire, I wholeheartedly recommend the
Elk Pass, narrow or not. It rides smoother and faster (by "feel" anyway)"
than the fatter Kojaks.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> Thanks for the report on the EPs. Bummer that they're coming in
> undersized. I was thinking about them as replacements for the old Avocets
> on the 92 XO-1 in our fleet, but I want to stick to 32s. What did the
> Kojaks measure?
>
> Best,
> joe in pdx or
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> 32 miles this afternoon on a new pair of Elk Passes. They do feel
>> ("feel") faster than the Kojaks but, interesting, I the difference is more
>> apparent when climbing than on the flats; though they do feel faster on the
>> flats, too -- just not as big a difference in "feel" on the flats compared
>> to the Pro Race 3s; the PR 3s, OTOH, felt very good climbing.
>>
>> 5 of the 32 miles were sandy dirt, though the sand is packed because of
>> recent rains. No problems, though 50 mm is of course better for such
>> terrain.
>>
>> The EPs measure just under 29 mm on the Sun/Ringle "Equalizers, 21 mm
>> outside, compared to just under 27.5 mm on the 19 outside Sun M14As.
>> Definitely narrower than labeled, though as far as my tastes go, 28 mm is a
>> real sweet spot.
>>
>> 55/60 feels good; 60 rear carried a ~25 lb rear load quite well. I find
>> that I like the EPs about 5 psi lower than the Kojaks.
>>
>> The EPs newly installed on the Equalizers run just shy of 24.75" in
>> diameter, compared to about 24.8 for the Kojaks on the same rims. (The 650C
>> Pro Race 3s on 19 mm outside rims measured 24.5".)
>>
>> I may compare the Kojaks tubeless versus the EPs with tubes and sealant
>> -- I wonder how that would feel. I read a "test" recently that compared
>> tubulars, clinchers with tubes, and the same clinchers without tubes, and
>> according to this test -- some 5 tires or so -- there is a noticeable
>> improvement when you remove the tubes. I wish the EPs could be run
>> tubeless, but I'm not complaining!
>>
>> Thumbs up!
>>
>> How many miles are you mid-weights (I'm 170) getting from REAR mid-width
>> Compass Extra Light tires?
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
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>>
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