Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Patrick, I think I'm going to try tubeless on my setup, but I've
heard it's a pain to set up.

~Hugh

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Yes, tubeless. The wheels are those that came with the bike when I bought
> it: 24 m outside width "DT Swiss XR 4 Ceramic". The rims are not designed
> for tubeless systems, but the Maxxis Ikon tires are designed for tubeless
> use; so I guess that the setup is quasi-ghetto.
>
> I think Vaughn at Stevie's used Stan's tape; 3 layers, IIRC. The sealant
> is Orange Seal.
>
> Note: A couple of months ago, I removed the valve cores so that I could
> replenish the sealant. On the front, the beads retained their seal, so no
> problem. But the rear lost ithe seal, and I had to pump frantically with my
> floor pump to (just barely) get enough air into the casing to blow the
> beads back against the rim sidewalls. I will probably ask Vaughn to add
> another layer of tape to at least the rear rim.
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Are you running tubeless?  If so what rims are you rolling? Did you just
>> convert to tubeless with non tubeless rims? Using something like stan's?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Apr 13, 2016 12:31 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hugh: I traded the bike for work (resume + LI profile); at a discount
>>> but my time/value ratio is flexible.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the one I bought it from was the original owner, but I
>>> am at least owner #2. Someone along the way had the frame powdercoated in
>>> that nice yellow.
>>>
>>> It's a 1996 frame, still Santa Cruz built, with the later
>>> mono-stay-to-seat-tube junction, but with the original type gussets at
>>> strategic joints.
>>>
>>> Components are a mishmash of mid-to-high-end; LX hubs; XTR der; crabon
>>> fibre Bontrager crank; high end parallelogram Shimano V brakes (XT? XTR?).
>>>
>>> I modified it: Swapped out the tubed WTB tires for tubeless Maxxis
>>> Ikons, ~56 mm actual width; the straightish bar (forget what) for Origin 8
>>> sweepback with extensions -- cut grip area by 1" each; cut extensions by 1"
>>> each; installed triggers and brake levers on the extensions stubs. The bar
>>> is probably a good 2" higher than it was originally, with the long and low
>>> Nitto stem. (I installed a similarly low, but shorter 8 cm stem; then
>>> swapped that one out with the upjutter in the photo.)
>>>
>>> The drivetrain is: 9 speed cassette, 44/32/22 Bontrager triple; XTR
>>> derailleurs and triggers: originals, as bought. I dropped the 11-32 9 sp
>>> cassette to this, which gives me a 65" cruising gear in
>>> straight-as-arrow-chainline 44 X 18. The chart doesn't show the gears on
>>> the 22 t granny, obviously.
>>>
>>> 26.75
>>> 44 32
>>> 13 91 66
>>> 15 78 57
>>> 17 69 50
>>> 18 65 48
>>> 20 59 43
>>> 22 54 39
>>> 24 49 36
>>> 28 42 31
>>> 32 27
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 By the way that's a great looking rig. What are the specs? Drive?
 Wheels and tires? Looks like you updated the drive train to 9 speed. Are
 you the original owner?


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Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, tubeless. The wheels are those that came with the bike when I bought
it: 24 m outside width "DT Swiss XR 4 Ceramic". The rims are not designed
for tubeless systems, but the Maxxis Ikon tires are designed for tubeless
use; so I guess that the setup is quasi-ghetto.

I think Vaughn at Stevie's used Stan's tape; 3 layers, IIRC. The sealant is
Orange Seal.

Note: A couple of months ago, I removed the valve cores so that I could
replenish the sealant. On the front, the beads retained their seal, so no
problem. But the rear lost ithe seal, and I had to pump frantically with my
floor pump to (just barely) get enough air into the casing to blow the
beads back against the rim sidewalls. I will probably ask Vaughn to add
another layer of tape to at least the rear rim.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Are you running tubeless?  If so what rims are you rolling? Did you just
> convert to tubeless with non tubeless rims? Using something like stan's?
>
> ~Hugh
> On Apr 13, 2016 12:31 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> Hugh: I traded the bike for work (resume + LI profile); at a discount but
>> my time/value ratio is flexible.
>>
>> I don't know if the one I bought it from was the original owner, but I am
>> at least owner #2. Someone along the way had the frame powdercoated in that
>> nice yellow.
>>
>> It's a 1996 frame, still Santa Cruz built, with the later
>> mono-stay-to-seat-tube junction, but with the original type gussets at
>> strategic joints.
>>
>> Components are a mishmash of mid-to-high-end; LX hubs; XTR der; crabon
>> fibre Bontrager crank; high end parallelogram Shimano V brakes (XT? XTR?).
>>
>> I modified it: Swapped out the tubed WTB tires for tubeless Maxxis Ikons,
>> ~56 mm actual width; the straightish bar (forget what) for Origin 8
>> sweepback with extensions -- cut grip area by 1" each; cut extensions by 1"
>> each; installed triggers and brake levers on the extensions stubs. The bar
>> is probably a good 2" higher than it was originally, with the long and low
>> Nitto stem. (I installed a similarly low, but shorter 8 cm stem; then
>> swapped that one out with the upjutter in the photo.)
>>
>> The drivetrain is: 9 speed cassette, 44/32/22 Bontrager triple; XTR
>> derailleurs and triggers: originals, as bought. I dropped the 11-32 9 sp
>> cassette to this, which gives me a 65" cruising gear in
>> straight-as-arrow-chainline 44 X 18. The chart doesn't show the gears on
>> the 22 t granny, obviously.
>>
>> 26.75
>> 44 32
>> 13 91 66
>> 15 78 57
>> 17 69 50
>> 18 65 48
>> 20 59 43
>> 22 54 39
>> 24 49 36
>> 28 42 31
>> 32 27
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> By the way that's a great looking rig. What are the specs? Drive? Wheels
>>> and tires? Looks like you updated the drive train to 9 speed. Are you the
>>> original owner?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Hugh Smitham]

Patrick,

Are you running tubeless?  If so what rims are you rolling? Did you just
convert to tubeless with non tubeless rims? Using something like stan's?

~Hugh
On Apr 13, 2016 12:31 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Hugh: I traded the bike for work (resume + LI profile); at a discount but
> my time/value ratio is flexible.
>
> I don't know if the one I bought it from was the original owner, but I am
> at least owner #2. Someone along the way had the frame powdercoated in that
> nice yellow.
>
> It's a 1996 frame, still Santa Cruz built, with the later
> mono-stay-to-seat-tube junction, but with the original type gussets at
> strategic joints.
>
> Components are a mishmash of mid-to-high-end; LX hubs; XTR der; crabon
> fibre Bontrager crank; high end parallelogram Shimano V brakes (XT? XTR?).
>
> I modified it: Swapped out the tubed WTB tires for tubeless Maxxis Ikons,
> ~56 mm actual width; the straightish bar (forget what) for Origin 8
> sweepback with extensions -- cut grip area by 1" each; cut extensions by 1"
> each; installed triggers and brake levers on the extensions stubs. The bar
> is probably a good 2" higher than it was originally, with the long and low
> Nitto stem. (I installed a similarly low, but shorter 8 cm stem; then
> swapped that one out with the upjutter in the photo.)
>
> The drivetrain is: 9 speed cassette, 44/32/22 Bontrager triple; XTR
> derailleurs and triggers: originals, as bought. I dropped the 11-32 9 sp
> cassette to this, which gives me a 65" cruising gear in
> straight-as-arrow-chainline 44 X 18. The chart doesn't show the gears on
> the 22 t granny, obviously.
>
> 26.75
> 44 32
> 13 91 66
> 15 78 57
> 17 69 50
> 18 65 48
> 20 59 43
> 22 54 39
> 24 49 36
> 28 42 31
> 32 27
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> By the way that's a great looking rig. What are the specs? Drive? Wheels
>> and tires? Looks like you updated the drive train to 9 speed. Are you the
>> original owner?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Patrick Moore]

Hugh: I traded the bike for work (resume + LI profile); at a discount but
my time/value ratio is flexible.

I don't know if the one I bought it from was the original owner, but I am
at least owner #2. Someone along the way had the frame powdercoated in that
nice yellow.

It's a 1996 frame, still Santa Cruz built, with the later
mono-stay-to-seat-tube junction, but with the original type gussets at
strategic joints.

Components are a mishmash of mid-to-high-end; LX hubs; XTR der; crabon
fibre Bontrager crank; high end parallelogram Shimano V brakes (XT? XTR?).

I modified it: Swapped out the tubed WTB tires for tubeless Maxxis Ikons,
~56 mm actual width; the straightish bar (forget what) for Origin 8
sweepback with extensions -- cut grip area by 1" each; cut extensions by 1"
each; installed triggers and brake levers on the extensions stubs. The bar
is probably a good 2" higher than it was originally, with the long and low
Nitto stem. (I installed a similarly low, but shorter 8 cm stem; then
swapped that one out with the upjutter in the photo.)

The drivetrain is: 9 speed cassette, 44/32/22 Bontrager triple; XTR
derailleurs and triggers: originals, as bought. I dropped the 11-32 9 sp
cassette to this, which gives me a 65" cruising gear in
straight-as-arrow-chainline 44 X 18. The chart doesn't show the gears on
the 22 t granny, obviously.

26.75
44 32
13 91 66
15 78 57
17 69 50
18 65 48
20 59 43
22 54 39
24 49 36
28 42 31
32 27

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Hugh Smitham 
wrote:

>
> By the way that's a great looking rig. What are the specs? Drive? Wheels
> and tires? Looks like you updated the drive train to 9 speed. Are you the
> original owner?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Hugh Smitham]

Weird none of these reply's made it to my Gmail account.

Patrick, yeah the bottom image is what my Salsa looks like right now with 
the original Salsa stem and 130mm of extension. My back and neck hate it 
but it looks sweet. I ordered a 90mm 40º rise stem and some Aluminum MTB 
bars with 9º sweep back and 80mm of rise. I'll be using the shims for the 
steerer connection and may need to make a few adjustments. Your steerer 
even cut is still longer than what I have. Maybe Philip's suggestion is the 
less expensive solution. I think Doug P. from the group used this very 
extension from Soma. If the two items above don't work I may give the high 
rider stem adapter a go.

When you say source you mean actually fabricate a new steerer I assume. 
That would ultimately be my desire but then price might be the determining 
factor as in too much $.

By the way that's a great looking rig. What are the specs? Drive? Wheels 
and tires? Looks like you updated the drive train to 9 speed. Are you the 
original owner?


~Hugh


On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Hugh: I just replaced the ~ 8 cm 10* rise stem on my Bontrager Race Lite 
> with a ~11 cm 45* rise stem, which gets the bar about an inch higher, and 
> this after I cut ~ 1 cm from the steerer. The stem also puts the bar about 
> 1" further out, but the overall effect is a much more comfortable bar.
>
> Point being: perhaps an upjutter stem will solve your problem?
>
> My fork is what I guess is the OEM Bomber, with 1" threadless steerer. 
> Both stems are 1 1/8", and I use shims -- in fact, the new upjutter stem 
> required 1 and 1/4 shims (I cut a second shim to fit) as the clamp area was 
> considerably deeper than that of the stem it replaced.
>
> FWIW, my brother has 2 steel, single-bolt clamp, doubtless 25.4mm clamp, 
> 1" threadless stems that must be 140 or 150 mm in extension with a similar 
> 45* or so rise. I'm tempted to try one of those with a dirt drop bar, 
> instead of the cut down Origin 8 swept back bar I now have.
>
> As for replacing, I should think that a good builder could easily source 
> and replace your steerer. "I should think": I am guessing.
>
> Despite the photo, the bar is actually about 1" below saddle nose.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> This is what it looked like with the shorter stem and original (but cut 
> down) bar:
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Hugh Smitham  > wrote:
>
>> I have a 1995 Salsa Ala Carte 18" MTB wirh Judy XC Rocshock. Ideally I'd 
>> love an uncut steerer tube and if I'm dreaming anything cage mounts. Does 
>> anyone know if such a fork exists new? I sort think not since I have the 1" 
>> headset. I'd like to get the handlebars up.
>>
>> I've also thought about having the existing steerer tube removed and 
>> replaced with a longer steerer, but I figure that's probably unlikely with 
>> finding a 1" uncut steerer would be next to impossible to find.
>>
>> Your thoughts.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>Los Angeles, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO MTB 1" threadless fork.

[Patrick Moore]

Hey, I could run a Cinelli 1A on my Bontrager!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> maybe something. Like this?
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/high-rider-stem-adapter-threadless-steerers
>
> Though you need a shim for the steerer part.
>
> Maybe this might be better if you're not opposed to quill
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/quillinator
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