Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-31 Thread Eric Peterson 
You might look for these used XTR 9-speed RDs on ebay:  rd-m952 
They work with 9-speed and have barrel adjusters.
Or there is an XT version.   RD-M750  
With these RDs you don't have to worry about cassette size or chain wrap 
capacity.

--eric 

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:39:22 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> I just opened the box haven't mounted it yet, I'll tripple check with 
> local bike shop before installing it. My current rd does have a barrel 
> adjuster. Stay tuned! 
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> One point for that since he already has the derailer: the adjuster helps 
>> to dial in the indexing but you don't *have *to have it. Once it’s set 
>> it's set, you're good to go. I'll bet he already did it. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:11:48 PM UTC-7 john blish wrote:
>>
>>> Sam,
>>>
>>> I see that a number of folks have said this rear DR will not work well 
>>> with downtube shifters.  I said that it would.  I am sorry and I guess I 
>>> was wrong.  If you want your money back and if the DR is still in the same 
>>> condition as I sent it, please let me know.
>>>
>>> I am very sorry about my mistake and that I have added to the hassles of 
>>> your build.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM Sam Perez  wrote:
>>>
 Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day 
 functionality and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 
 On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:

> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>
> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>
>> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-30 Thread Sam Perez 
I just opened the box haven't mounted it yet, I'll tripple check with local
bike shop before installing it. My current rd does have a barrel adjuster.
Stay tuned!

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> One point for that since he already has the derailer: the adjuster helps
> to dial in the indexing but you don't *have *to have it. Once it’s set
> it's set, you're good to go. I'll bet he already did it.
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:11:48 PM UTC-7 john blish wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> I see that a number of folks have said this rear DR will not work well
>> with downtube shifters.  I said that it would.  I am sorry and I guess I
>> was wrong.  If you want your money back and if the DR is still in the same
>> condition as I sent it, please let me know.
>>
>> I am very sorry about my mistake and that I have added to the hassles of
>> your build.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM Sam Perez  wrote:
>>
>>> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day
>>> functionality and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride.
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:
>>>
 I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or
 mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.

 Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.





 On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-30 Thread Joe Bernard 
One point for that since he already has the derailer: the adjuster helps to 
dial in the indexing but you don't *have *to have it. Once it’s set it's 
set, you're good to go. I'll bet he already did it. 

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:11:48 PM UTC-7 john blish wrote:

> Sam,
>
> I see that a number of folks have said this rear DR will not work well 
> with downtube shifters.  I said that it would.  I am sorry and I guess I 
> was wrong.  If you want your money back and if the DR is still in the same 
> condition as I sent it, please let me know.
>
> I am very sorry about my mistake and that I have added to the hassles of 
> your build.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM Sam Perez  wrote:
>
>> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day functionality 
>> and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:
>>
>>> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
>>> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>>>
>>> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>>
 Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.

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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-30 Thread John Blish 
Sam,

I see that a number of folks have said this rear DR will not work well with
downtube shifters.  I said that it would.  I am sorry and I guess I was
wrong.  If you want your money back and if the DR is still in the same
condition as I sent it, please let me know.

I am very sorry about my mistake and that I have added to the hassles of
your build.

John

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM Sam Perez  wrote:

> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day functionality
> and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride.
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:
>
>> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or
>> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>>
>> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-30 Thread Joe Bernard 
You're right, the lack of an adjuster is a pain I'd forgotten about, I 
didn't like it even with bar-ends and brifters. Don't use this with 
downtube shifters!

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:21:40 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Gotcha, thanks for that, Joe. I guess with brifters or bar-cons it's not 
> hard to use an inline cable tension adjuster, so the most pain would come 
> with downtube shifters? Can you tap the rear of the der to thread in an 
> adjusting barrel? That would likely detract from its Shadowy 
> crach-worthiness, but there's not a lot of room in that short rear casing 
> run for an adjuster.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> It will in fact work and yes you will drive yourself crazy trying to keep 
>> track of all this. Shadow is just a designation for an mtb mech that sits 
>> flush so you (supposedly) won't crash it on rocks, Riv sold the XT772 
>> Shadow for years. I've gotten them to index 9-speed bar-ends and 10-speed 
>> Ultegra brifters. 
>>
>> Where things go sideways is 10-speed and up Dyna-Sis, if you find a rear 
>> derailer like that it'll need its dedicated clicker. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:57:35 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> So I'm kinda late to this party, and I don't think I have a complete 
>>> understanding of relatively recent Shimano der/shifter compatibility, but I 
>>> don't think the RD-M772 Shadow rder shown here will index properly with 
>>> Shimano downtube shifters, and even in friction mode the dt shifter cable 
>>> pull might be insufficient for the rder? Also the rder has no cable tension 
>>> adjusting barrel, so you either have to do without, making indexing really 
>>> difficult, or wire it up with an inline adjuster at the rear. I think 
>>> Shadow-type rders are only compatible with Shimano ATB shifters, not with 
>>> Shimano road shifters, dt or brifter.
>>>
>>> Microshift does make Shimano ATB-compatible bar-cons, I think, maybe in 
>>> both 9spd and 10spd?
>>>
>>> I've got an RD-6500-GS, all-silver, with a coupla light scratches, and 
>>> an RD-6700-GS, light-gray with a silver face, also light scratches. And a 
>>> cleaner 105 RD-5701-GS, gray/silver like the 6700. You can PM me if you're 
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>> FWIW the 6700-GS have been creeping up in price, I sold two very clean 
>>> ones on ebay recently, one went for nearly $80 and the other just under 
>>> $100.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> pcb at gmail dot com
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 1:04:10 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day 
 functionality and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 

>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:

>>> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>
> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>
 Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-30 Thread Paul Brodek 
Gotcha, thanks for that, Joe. I guess with brifters or bar-cons it's not 
hard to use an inline cable tension adjuster, so the most pain would come 
with downtube shifters? Can you tap the rear of the der to thread in an 
adjusting barrel? That would likely detract from its Shadowy 
crach-worthiness, but there's not a lot of room in that short rear casing 
run for an adjuster.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It will in fact work and yes you will drive yourself crazy trying to keep 
> track of all this. Shadow is just a designation for an mtb mech that sits 
> flush so you (supposedly) won't crash it on rocks, Riv sold the XT772 
> Shadow for years. I've gotten them to index 9-speed bar-ends and 10-speed 
> Ultegra brifters. 
>
> Where things go sideways is 10-speed and up Dyna-Sis, if you find a rear 
> derailer like that it'll need its dedicated clicker. 
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:57:35 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> So I'm kinda late to this party, and I don't think I have a complete 
>> understanding of relatively recent Shimano der/shifter compatibility, but I 
>> don't think the RD-M772 Shadow rder shown here will index properly with 
>> Shimano downtube shifters, and even in friction mode the dt shifter cable 
>> pull might be insufficient for the rder? Also the rder has no cable tension 
>> adjusting barrel, so you either have to do without, making indexing really 
>> difficult, or wire it up with an inline adjuster at the rear. I think 
>> Shadow-type rders are only compatible with Shimano ATB shifters, not with 
>> Shimano road shifters, dt or brifter.
>>
>> Microshift does make Shimano ATB-compatible bar-cons, I think, maybe in 
>> both 9spd and 10spd?
>>
>> I've got an RD-6500-GS, all-silver, with a coupla light scratches, and an 
>> RD-6700-GS, light-gray with a silver face, also light scratches. And a 
>> cleaner 105 RD-5701-GS, gray/silver like the 6700. You can PM me if you're 
>> interesting.
>>
>> FWIW the 6700-GS have been creeping up in price, I sold two very clean 
>> ones on ebay recently, one went for nearly $80 and the other just under 
>> $100.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> pcb at gmail dot com
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 1:04:10 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day 
>>> functionality and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 
>>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:
>>>
>> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
 mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.

 Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.




 On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

>>> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-29 Thread Joe Bernard 
It will in fact work and yes you will drive yourself crazy trying to keep 
track of all this. Shadow is just a designation for an mtb mech that sits 
flush so you (supposedly) won't crash it on rocks, Riv sold the XT772 
Shadow for years. I've gotten them to index 9-speed bar-ends and 10-speed 
Ultegra brifters. 

Where things go sideways is 10-speed and up Dyna-Sis, if you find a rear 
derailer like that it'll need its dedicated clicker. 

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:57:35 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> So I'm kinda late to this party, and I don't think I have a complete 
> understanding of relatively recent Shimano der/shifter compatibility, but I 
> don't think the RD-M772 Shadow rder shown here will index properly with 
> Shimano downtube shifters, and even in friction mode the dt shifter cable 
> pull might be insufficient for the rder? Also the rder has no cable tension 
> adjusting barrel, so you either have to do without, making indexing really 
> difficult, or wire it up with an inline adjuster at the rear. I think 
> Shadow-type rders are only compatible with Shimano ATB shifters, not with 
> Shimano road shifters, dt or brifter.
>
> Microshift does make Shimano ATB-compatible bar-cons, I think, maybe in 
> both 9spd and 10spd?
>
> I've got an RD-6500-GS, all-silver, with a coupla light scratches, and an 
> RD-6700-GS, light-gray with a silver face, also light scratches. And a 
> cleaner 105 RD-5701-GS, gray/silver like the 6700. You can PM me if you're 
> interesting.
>
> FWIW the 6700-GS have been creeping up in price, I sold two very clean 
> ones on ebay recently, one went for nearly $80 and the other just under 
> $100.
>
> Paul Brodek
> pcb at gmail dot com
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 1:04:10 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day functionality 
>> and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 
>>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish  wrote:
>>
> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
>>> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>>>
>>> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>>
>> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.

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Re: [RBW] Looking for silver ultegra 9s long cage RD

2020-10-29 Thread Paul Brodek 
So I'm kinda late to this party, and I don't think I have a complete 
understanding of relatively recent Shimano der/shifter compatibility, but I 
don't think the RD-M772 Shadow rder shown here will index properly with 
Shimano downtube shifters, and even in friction mode the dt shifter cable 
pull might be insufficient for the rder? Also the rder has no cable tension 
adjusting barrel, so you either have to do without, making indexing really 
difficult, or wire it up with an inline adjuster at the rear. I think 
Shadow-type rders are only compatible with Shimano ATB shifters, not with 
Shimano road shifters, dt or brifter.

Microshift does make Shimano ATB-compatible bar-cons, I think, maybe in 
both 9spd and 10spd?

I've got an RD-6500-GS, all-silver, with a coupla light scratches, and an 
RD-6700-GS, light-gray with a silver face, also light scratches. And a 
cleaner 105 RD-5701-GS, gray/silver like the 6700. You can PM me if you're 
interesting.

FWIW the 6700-GS have been creeping up in price, I sold two very clean ones 
on ebay recently, one went for nearly $80 and the other just under $100.

Paul Brodek
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Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 1:04:10 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> Was hoping to keep this aesthetic but at the end of the day functionality 
> and fun will be what I'll remember at the end of the ride. 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 AM John Blish > 
> wrote:
>
>> I have 2 units, both XT M772, silver, nine-speed, new, never used or 
>> mounted, still in their bubble-wrap.
>>
>> Email me at jblish at gmail dot com. if you want one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pat Smith > > wrote:
>>
>>> Look for the XT M772 RD as well, it's silver and 9s.
>>>
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