Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
You won't regret it. I was skeptical but took a leap of faith. No regrets whatsoever. It's not a road bike but it's no slug. On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:25:00 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote: > > I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point. I like big > rubber, and the long wheelbase sounds fun. > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Lester Lammers > wrote: > >> I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a >> short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance >> for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a >> Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never >> touch a rear load. >> >> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote: >>> >>> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size >>> - wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the >>> Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm >>> sure they both ride swell. >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Randall Rupp >>> rcr...@gmail.com >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Randall Rupp > rcr...@gmail.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point. I like big rubber, and the long wheelbase sounds fun. On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Lester Lammers wrote: > I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a > short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance > for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a > Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never > touch a rear load. > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote: >> >> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size >> - wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the >> Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm >> sure they both ride swell. >> >> >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Randall Rupp >> rcr...@gmail.com >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Randall Rupp rcr...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never touch a rear load. On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote: > > The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - > wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the > Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm > sure they both ride swell. > > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Randall Rupp > rcr...@gmail.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
I agree. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. The fit is perfect and the ride is exceptional. On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote: > As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it. > > It's magnificent. > > Seriously. I look at my short chainstay bikes with marginal contempt now. > > Hugh Flynn > Newburyport, MA > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:08 AM Randall Rupp > wrote: > >> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size >> - wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the >> Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm >> sure they both ride swell. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn > > wrote: >> >>> Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to >>> consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors >>> and size points. >>> >>> Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the >>> Atlantis. >>> >>> Hugh "Joe" Flynn >>> Newburyport, MA >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D. >> > wrote: >>> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time? I thought it was the same as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa and a Toyo Atlantis. They all ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> Hugh Flynn >>> Newburyport, MA >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Randall Rupp >> rcr...@gmail.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > Hugh Flynn > Newburyport, MA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
“The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - wow. ” I was on the phone with Bruce Gordon some months ago to order a rear rack for my Atlantis. He asked me to measure the chainstays and when I told him 47 cm he reacted as though they were so long I must have mis-measured, but then he added “well, Grant does have his own ideas,” or something to that effect. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
Randall: I currently have a 650b sage colored Sam and a 26” wheeled MUSA Atlantis (46cm chain stays). Absolutely love them both. The Sam is presently set up as a more roadish ride with drop bars, a small handlebar bag and a saddlebag. It has also been set up with a basket/large bag combo which allowed me to carry a sizeable groceries front and rear. Handled just fine. The Atlantis has a basket and a saddlebag so it does grocery and commuting duty. Handlebars are Albatross. I have run drops on it but my preference is for the Alba’s. As others have said, there is overlap between the two models and you could certainly tour with the Sam. There are differences in the way they feel. Sam has a lighter feel at the front. Keep in mind too, the Sam’s geometry is a bit more slack. The Atlantis on the other hand feels more “planted”, if I can use that term. The feel is stable, balanced and well, just plain neutral. These characteristics could be attributed to wheel size, geometry (not as slack as a Sam) and tubing. Probably just want you want if you’re looking for a more rough stuff ride. It feels pretty darn good that way on a smooth surface. The tubing question has come up before; if my memory is correct, the Atlantis tubing is 0.9 straight gauge. Hope my observations are helpful. For sure, everyone else’s comments are spot on. Regards, Rich in ATL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it. It's magnificent. Seriously. I look at my short chainstay bikes with marginal contempt now. Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:08 AM Randall Rupp wrote: > The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - > wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the > Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm > sure they both ride swell. > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn wrote: > >> Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to >> consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors >> and size points. >> >> Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis. >> >> Hugh "Joe" Flynn >> Newburyport, MA >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D. wrote: >> >>> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time? I thought it was the same >>> as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I >>> think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really >>> matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa >>> and a Toyo Atlantis. They all >>> ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the >>> build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but >>> skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you >>> are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is >>> unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it >>> rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old >>> green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted >>> Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> Hugh Flynn >> Newburyport, MA >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Randall Rupp > rcr...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm sure they both ride swell. On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn wrote: > Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to > consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors > and size points. > > Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis. > > Hugh "Joe" Flynn > Newburyport, MA > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D. wrote: > >> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time? I thought it was the same >> as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I >> think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really >> matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa >> and a Toyo Atlantis. They all >> ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the >> build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but >> skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you >> are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is >> unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it >> rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old >> green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted >> Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > Hugh Flynn > Newburyport, MA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Randall Rupp rcr...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne
Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors and size points. Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis. Hugh "Joe" Flynn Newburyport, MA On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D. wrote: > Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time? I thought it was the same > as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I > think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really > matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa > and a Toyo Atlantis. They all > ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the > build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but > skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you > are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is > unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it > rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old > green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted > Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
