Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
I always found the stock Wald baskets wiggly. But it is a big upgrade to add a nitto rack underneath! I think the best part is it lowers the basket and shortens the stays. Less wiggle, for sure. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
I was just out swapping handlebars (thanks Hugh!) and had to pull a Wald basket to do it. I noticed that the stays on this basket are definitely different than the ones on the bike that collapsed on me. Those stays had a much larger (~four inch) flat section with multiple hub drillings on the end of them. That's where it buckled on me. The newer kind that I was just looking at have a solid curved stay all the way down to the single hole at the end. I'm presuming they are much stronger. On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > I can vouch for the truth that the Wald Newsboy doesn't sway; it's very > secure. As to how the bike handles with such a basket on it, with load, > that depends on the bike. I once put one on a Schwinn World Tour and loaded > it with 2 cinderblocks, which fit very well in respect of volume. I > actually managed to ride the bike a block before quitting in terror -- > simply keeping the rear wheel on the ground was hard. But the basket didn't > sway; the problem was grossly biased weight distribution and horrible > things done to the steering. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:57 AM, ian m wrote: > >> Will, how is sway from a heavy loaded front basket a function of bicycle >> geometry? Seems to me it's more a function of the way the basket attaches >> to the bicycle, which are two points near the stem and two point at the >> front axle, which doesn't make for a particularly laterally stiff design. >> >> Similar to the American newsboys of yesteryear, the French porteur's >> carried heavy loads of newspapers on the front of their bicycles, but with >> stiffer steel racks. In my experience a heavy load on a one of these racks >> is much easier to handle with all other aspects (wheel strength, pneumatic >> cushion) remaining the same. A basket attached to the rack as on the >> Hunqapillar recently posted on Riv Blug is like the best of both worlds, >> especially since heavier loads can be attached by pannier closer to the >> front wheel's axle. >> >> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: >>> >>> Not my experience. We routinely carried between 65-70 newspapers in the >>> Wald front delivery baskets. And loaded the back baskets on Sundays when >>> the papers were twice as large and heavy. Never a problem. Swaying is a >>> function of bicycle geometry, wheel strength (spokes+dish), and pneumatic >>> cushion. Our paper bikes looked a lot like these... >>> >>> http://www.worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/indbikes.html >>> >>> When you look at the "industrial newsboy" you will note both baskets >>> (front and back) are angled towards the frame center. You will also note >>> the head and seat tube angles and chain stay length. That's the way to keep >>> load distribution inside of the axles. If the balance point creeps outside >>> the axle, you have major vibration issues. The bike shimmies, wobbles, and >>> is hard to steer. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote: Loaded up with a couple grocery bags those Wald baskets will sway back and forth in front of you like a drunk tourist on a fishing boat. Ziptied to a solid and stable rack there is zero movement and handling feels good. That's my experience anyway On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:16:26 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: > > You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on > my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. > I > cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or > durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. > > http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- > 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >> >> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front >> rack and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter >> too often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the >> porter rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of >> porter racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise >> excellent and the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, >> and >> these things must be questioned. >> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the >> whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. >> So >> why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same >> rack. >> The same Cap'n Hook net. >> One cheap beat up basket. >> Time to order a Wald. >> > -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post t
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
I can vouch for the truth that the Wald Newsboy doesn't sway; it's very secure. As to how the bike handles with such a basket on it, with load, that depends on the bike. I once put one on a Schwinn World Tour and loaded it with 2 cinderblocks, which fit very well in respect of volume. I actually managed to ride the bike a block before quitting in terror -- simply keeping the rear wheel on the ground was hard. But the basket didn't sway; the problem was grossly biased weight distribution and horrible things done to the steering. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:57 AM, ian m wrote: > Will, how is sway from a heavy loaded front basket a function of bicycle > geometry? Seems to me it's more a function of the way the basket attaches > to the bicycle, which are two points near the stem and two point at the > front axle, which doesn't make for a particularly laterally stiff design. > > Similar to the American newsboys of yesteryear, the French porteur's > carried heavy loads of newspapers on the front of their bicycles, but with > stiffer steel racks. In my experience a heavy load on a one of these racks > is much easier to handle with all other aspects (wheel strength, pneumatic > cushion) remaining the same. A basket attached to the rack as on the > Hunqapillar recently posted on Riv Blug is like the best of both worlds, > especially since heavier loads can be attached by pannier closer to the > front wheel's axle. > > On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: >> >> Not my experience. We routinely carried between 65-70 newspapers in the >> Wald front delivery baskets. And loaded the back baskets on Sundays when >> the papers were twice as large and heavy. Never a problem. Swaying is a >> function of bicycle geometry, wheel strength (spokes+dish), and pneumatic >> cushion. Our paper bikes looked a lot like these... >> >> http://www.worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/indbikes.html >> >> When you look at the "industrial newsboy" you will note both baskets >> (front and back) are angled towards the frame center. You will also note >> the head and seat tube angles and chain stay length. That's the way to keep >> load distribution inside of the axles. If the balance point creeps outside >> the axle, you have major vibration issues. The bike shimmies, wobbles, and >> is hard to steer. >> >> >> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote: >>> >>> Loaded up with a couple grocery bags those Wald baskets will sway back >>> and forth in front of you like a drunk tourist on a fishing boat. Ziptied >>> to a solid and stable rack there is zero movement and handling feels good. >>> That's my experience anyway >>> >>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:16:26 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: > > No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack > and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too > often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter > rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter > racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and > the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things > must be questioned. > Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the > whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. > So > why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same > rack. > The same Cap'n Hook net. > One cheap beat up basket. > Time to order a Wald. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions,
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
The Nitto rated capacity values are _e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y_ conservative. On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 7:33:39 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: > > Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is > 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket > is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? > >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Matt, in my experience, the Wald basket stays aren't as strong as the Nitto rack. I think you get what you pay for. Plus their handlebar mounting clamps are kinda' kludgy (says the guy using zip ties to hold the basket on). FYI, Boulder has the 32F at a much better everyday price: http://boulderbicycle.bike/Bags-and-Racks/Nitto-Racks-and-hardware/Nitto-Campee-32F-Campee-front-rack-New-Lower-Price.html On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:27 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Jim, > > What you say makes sense. What boggles my mind, however, is that Nitto > rates both racks the same. I don't have a problem using the Irish Straps. > They look nice and add a touch of class. I do have a problem though > spending $140 for the rack and an additional $16 for the straps when the > $23 basket can do the same job with the included stays. Just saying. > > Matt > > On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:50:09 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: >> >> Be careful though. There has been at least one caseof the mini-front rack >> failing when overloaded and sending the fast-moving rider over the bars and >> to injury as the rack has hit the front wheel. >> >> This is the mini-front rack that's for bikes without sidepull brakes >> where the support post goes in the fork crown hole; it's not referring to >> the Mark's rack. >> >> The Riv recommendation is to use some strap between the rack and >> handlebar so that if it does break, it won't immediately hit the wheel. >> >> To be clear, this is not a report of Nitto product deficiency. It was >> loaded well above the rack's official rating. Nitto's conservatism is good, >> but nothing is limitless. >> >> -Jim >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:28 AM, "'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch" < >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? >> >> Matt >> >> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 >>> :-) >>> When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a >>> bump, had to push the rest of the way home. >>> The 32F hasn't let me down yet! >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> David, Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? Matt On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack > reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long > stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the > spokes > when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has > never done that. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: > >> You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on >> my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy >> haulers. I >> cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or >> durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. >> >> http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- >> 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >>> >>> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front >>> rack and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter >>> too often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the >>> porter rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of >>> porter racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise >>> excellent and the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, >>> and >>> these things must be questioned. >>> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the >>> whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of >>> dandy-ism. So >>> why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same >>> rack. >>> The same Cap'n Hook net. >>> One cheap beat up basket. >>> Time to order a Wald. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.googl
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Jim, What you say makes sense. What boggles my mind, however, is that Nitto rates both racks the same. I don't have a problem using the Irish Straps. They look nice and add a touch of class. I do have a problem though spending $140 for the rack and an additional $16 for the straps when the $23 basket can do the same job with the included stays. Just saying. Matt On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:50:09 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: > > Be careful though. There has been at least one caseof the mini-front rack > failing when overloaded and sending the fast-moving rider over the bars and > to injury as the rack has hit the front wheel. > > This is the mini-front rack that's for bikes without sidepull brakes where > the support post goes in the fork crown hole; it's not referring to the > Mark's rack. > > The Riv recommendation is to use some strap between the rack and handlebar > so that if it does break, it won't immediately hit the wheel. > > To be clear, this is not a report of Nitto product deficiency. It was > loaded well above the rack's official rating. Nitto's conservatism is good, > but nothing is limitless. > > -Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:28 AM, "'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch" < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? > > Matt > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 >> :-) >> When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, >> had to push the rest of the way home. >> The 32F hasn't let me down yet! >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is >>> 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket >>> is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com >>> wrote: Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has never done that. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: > You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on > my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. > I > cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or > durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. > > http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- > 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >> >> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front >> rack and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter >> too often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the >> porter rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of >> porter racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise >> excellent and the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, >> and >> these things must be questioned. >> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the >> whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. >> So >> why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same >> rack. >> The same Cap'n Hook net. >> One cheap beat up basket. >> Time to order a Wald. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> F
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Just put something like a John's Irish strap there, and no worries. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:06 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > I don't make a habit of overloading like that, but it does happen... > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:49 AM, James Warren wrote: > Be careful though. There has been at least one caseof the mini-front rack > failing when overloaded and sending the fast-moving rider over the bars and > to injury as the rack has hit the front wheel. > > This is the mini-front rack that's for bikes without sidepull brakes where > the support post goes in the fork crown hole; it's not referring to the > Mark's rack. > > The Riv recommendation is to use some strap between the rack and handlebar so > that if it does break, it won't immediately hit the wheel. > > To be clear, this is not a report of Nitto product deficiency. It was loaded > well above the rack's official rating. Nitto's conservatism is good, but > nothing is limitless. > > -Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:28 AM, "'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch" > wrote: > >> Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? >> >> Matt >> >> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 >> :-) >> When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, >> had to push the rest of the way home. >> The 32F hasn't let me down yet! >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch >> wrote: >> David, >> >> Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is 4.4 >> lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket is. >> Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? >> >> Matt >> >> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack >> reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long >> stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes >> when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has never >> done that. >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: >> You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my >> newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I >> cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or >> durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. >> >> http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02-8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack and a >> rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too often and >> a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter rack is so >> stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter racks feels a >> tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and the maker was >> super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things must be >> questioned. >> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the whole >> thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. So why is >> this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same rack. The >> same Cap'n Hook net. >> One cheap beat up basket. >> Time to order a Wald. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googleg
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
I don't make a habit of overloading like that, but it does happen... On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:49 AM, James Warren wrote: > Be careful though. There has been at least one caseof the mini-front rack > failing when overloaded and sending the fast-moving rider over the bars and > to injury as the rack has hit the front wheel. > > This is the mini-front rack that's for bikes without sidepull brakes where > the support post goes in the fork crown hole; it's not referring to the > Mark's rack. > > The Riv recommendation is to use some strap between the rack and handlebar > so that if it does break, it won't immediately hit the wheel. > > To be clear, this is not a report of Nitto product deficiency. It was > loaded well above the rack's official rating. Nitto's conservatism is good, > but nothing is limitless. > > -Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:28 AM, "'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch" < > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? > > Matt > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 >> :-) >> When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, >> had to push the rest of the way home. >> The 32F hasn't let me down yet! >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is >>> 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket >>> is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com >>> wrote: Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has never done that. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: > You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on > my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. > I > cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or > durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. > > http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- > 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >> >> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front >> rack and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter >> too often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the >> porter rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of >> porter racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise >> excellent and the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, >> and >> these things must be questioned. >> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the >> whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. >> So >> why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same >> rack. >> The same Cap'n Hook net. >> One cheap beat up basket. >> Time to order a Wald. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Be careful though. There has been at least one caseof the mini-front rack failing when overloaded and sending the fast-moving rider over the bars and to injury as the rack has hit the front wheel. This is the mini-front rack that's for bikes without sidepull brakes where the support post goes in the fork crown hole; it's not referring to the Mark's rack. The Riv recommendation is to use some strap between the rack and handlebar so that if it does break, it won't immediately hit the wheel. To be clear, this is not a report of Nitto product deficiency. It was loaded well above the rack's official rating. Nitto's conservatism is good, but nothing is limitless. -Jim Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:28 AM, "'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch" wrote: > Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? > > Matt > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 > :-) > When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, had > to push the rest of the way home. > The 32F hasn't let me down yet! > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > David, > > Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is 4.4 > lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket is. Are > you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? > > Matt > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack > reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long stays > are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes when I > overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has never done > that. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: > You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my > newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I > cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or > durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. > > http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02-8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: > No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack and a > rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too often and a > rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter rack is so > stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter racks feels a > tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and the maker was > super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things must be > questioned. > Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the whole thing > is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. So why is this > classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same rack. The same > Cap'n Hook net. > One cheap beat up basket. > Time to order a Wald. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Wow! I wonder why Nitto chooses to be so ultra conservative? Matt On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 8:28:44 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 > :-) > When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, > had to push the rest of the way home. > The 32F hasn't let me down yet! > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> David, >> >> Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is >> 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket >> is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? >> >> Matt >> >> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack >>> reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long >>> stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes >>> when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has >>> never done that. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: >>> You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: > > No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack > and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too > often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter > rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter > racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent > and > the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things > must be questioned. > Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the > whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. > So > why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same > rack. > The same Cap'n Hook net. > One cheap beat up basket. > Time to order a Wald. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> >>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >>> >>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
It's obvious that the Nitto ratings are conservative to say the least. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
This much: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15464068173 :-) When carrying that much in the Wald, the stays buckled when I hit a bump, had to push the rest of the way home. The 32F hasn't let me down yet! On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > David, > > Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is > 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket > is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? > > Matt > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack >> reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long >> stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes >> when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has >> never done that. >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: >> >>> You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my >>> newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I >>> cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or >>> durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. >>> >>> http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02- >>> 8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things must be questioned. Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the whole thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. So why is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same rack. The same Cap'n Hook net. One cheap beat up basket. Time to order a Wald. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
David, Help me to understand. The rated capacity of a Nitto 32F front rack is 4.4 lbs. I have no idea what the weight capacity of a stock Wald basket is. Are you saying roughly 5 lbs will crumple the Wald basket stays? Matt On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack > reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long > stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes > when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has > never done that. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will > > wrote: > >> You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my >> newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I >> cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or >> durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. >> >> >> http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02-8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >>> >>> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack >>> and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too >>> often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter >>> rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter >>> racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and >>> the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things >>> must be questioned. >>> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the whole >>> thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. So why >>> is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same rack. The >>> same Cap'n Hook net. >>> One cheap beat up basket. >>> Time to order a Wald. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage Reminder
Maybe that's a heavier built version then the smaller one. The rack reinforcement and handlebar attachments look really solid, but the long stays are the weak point. They have crumpled on me, folding into the spokes when I overloaded a basket. Nitto 32F with a basket zipped onto it has never done that. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Will wrote: > You could simply mount the Wald as it is manufactured. I had these on my > newspaper bikes back in the day. They are bullet-proof, heavy haulers. I > cannot imagine that a basket ziptied to a rack would be more stable or > durable than this original Wald set-up. Wald is working-class cred. > > > http://www.waldsports.com/waldsports/cache/file/459BD3F9-3E6A-4C02-8626D7A8CBA30A5A.jpg > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:10:36 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote: >> >> No, I can't trade my awesome Pass & Stow rack for a smaller front rack >> and a rear rack because a) I use a trail a bike to pull my daughter too >> often and a rear rack would interfere and b) the wide span of the porter >> rack is so stinking useful. I wanted to only because the style of porter >> racks feels a tad ostentatious. The Pass & Stow is otherwise excellent and >> the maker was super to buy from. But still, it's Spring, and these things >> must be questioned. >> Then, Bam! A Hunq on the Blug shows up with a Pass & Stow and the whole >> thing is the very definition of badass. Not one whit of dandy-ism. So why >> is this classy bike with a classy rack so tough looking? The same rack. The >> same Cap'n Hook net. >> One cheap beat up basket. >> Time to order a Wald. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
