Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
This is all excellent feedback, thanks for taking the time to pass it along. Christopher, your setup is almost exactly what I'm considering (right down to the Swift panniers) so it's especially nice to see your photos. The basket is super handy and I'll probably keep it no matter what, but by itself with a load makes me unhappy. Thanks, Shawn M. Seattle, WA (Fremont) On Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Then again...one could just strap wood to a front rack or a six pack depending on your sense of priorities. ~Hugh On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:49:07 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: I have to say, I love the basket so much, that if I were to go next time, I'd just keep it empty--it's so damn handy in case you find something along the way you'd want to carry for a short distance--firewood, for example. :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shawn, I think the information stated by Andy, Doug Christopher is dead on...I'll add I did a 260 mile tour with about sixty pounds and ran panniers in the back low-riders up front with a basket. What I found was that the handling suffered with the basket load (even 5 lbs) especially on low speed hill climbs. I suffered in my arms shoulder blades with the constant micro-adjustments I had to make, which sounds like what Christopher experienced. On a recent mini-tour I left the basket behind and kept the panniers on front back and reduced the load to about 32 lbs total gear plus pannier weight and my Hilsen handled really well. My caveat though is you have a Hungapillar which is stouter than a Hilsen so your max load could be higher and handle really well. Also Doug has a mid-trail (not trying to make this another mid/low trail discussion) fork and his front end handling may be slightly different than your's. I plan on increasing the load in the future to see the difference. I'll be interested what you do with feedback. Best, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
Shawn: IME weight up high on the front is the cause of a lot of unhappiness. I always have an Acorn Boxy rando bag on a small Nitto rack, and tend to be pretty casual about loading it. Being rack mounted as opposed to handlebar mounted is helpful but heavier loads belong in panniers. My worst case was 4 lead dive weights as a substitute for tent stakes in a campground that prohibits staking. This was probably 15-16 lbs, and totally screwed up the handling. I made a couple of miles before giving up dropping them into a pannier to solve the problem. The utility of a front basket probably leads to similar experiences. What's another couple of pounds? and pretty soon you get the answer. The convenience is undeniable though so I can see wrestling an unwieldly load a couple of miles. Hugh's description of dealing with on the tour sounds too much like work. The other caveat is tying your load down so it doesn't shift on turns, bumps, etc. A shifting load really gets your attention. dougP On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:16:11 AM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: This is all excellent feedback, thanks for taking the time to pass it along. Christopher, your setup is almost exactly what I'm considering (right down to the Swift panniers) so it's especially nice to see your photos. The basket is super handy and I'll probably keep it no matter what, but by itself with a load makes me unhappy. Thanks, Shawn M. Seattle, WA (Fremont) On Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Then again...one could just strap wood to a front rack or a six pack depending on your sense of priorities. ~Hugh On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:49:07 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: I have to say, I love the basket so much, that if I were to go next time, I'd just keep it empty--it's so damn handy in case you find something along the way you'd want to carry for a short distance--firewood, for example. :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shawn, I think the information stated by Andy, Doug Christopher is dead on...I'll add I did a 260 mile tour with about sixty pounds and ran panniers in the back low-riders up front with a basket. What I found was that the handling suffered with the basket load (even 5 lbs) especially on low speed hill climbs. I suffered in my arms shoulder blades with the constant micro-adjustments I had to make, which sounds like what Christopher experienced. On a recent mini-tour I left the basket behind and kept the panniers on front back and reduced the load to about 32 lbs total gear plus pannier weight and my Hilsen handled really well. My caveat though is you have a Hungapillar which is stouter than a Hilsen so your max load could be higher and handle really well. Also Doug has a mid-trail (not trying to make this another mid/low trail discussion) fork and his front end handling may be slightly different than your's. I plan on increasing the load in the future to see the difference. I'll be interested what you do with feedback. Best, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
Shawn: I just got back from a two-day 120mi/200km ride with a large saddlesack in the rear (on the rear top rack) and two swift mini short stack panniers on, plus a basket on the top of the (recently and no longer) discounted big front rack. This was on the 57cm Hilsen. The weight was distributed roughly 45/55 back/front, probably close to 50lbs/22kg on the racks combined. This front loading was partly unintentional, because I had a small igloo cooler in a basket strapped to the big front rack, with eggs, milk, bacon, and butter, most of which was procured en-route. You really have no idea how heavy hydrated fat gets. :) The route was mostly along the Columbia River Gorge, with plenty of climbing and descents, and a decent amount of wind. Other than the weight, I found the handling to be admirable, although I think I was at the limit of what I'd be comfortable putting up on the front end. I'll definitely try and move more weight to the rear. I say this because my arms are a bit tired today. I'll post a more comprehensive report regarding the ride later, when the pictures are done. cc On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Shawn: I've toured a fair bit with my Atlantis with various loading schemes. For self-contained camping, I use 4 bags find the handling best with the weight evenly distributed or somewhat more in the front pair. On lodging trips I'll use 2 bags in the front low riders. I always have an Acorn Boxy rando bag on a mini-rack on the front, sometimes add a saddlebag to the rear for extra clothes, food, water, etc. You'll have to try different configurations for yourself to find out what works best for you and your riding style. Some people really notice differences with just a few pounds of load while others are unfazed by 25 lbs at one end or the other. IME, once I get over 25 lbs it's nice to split it up, front to back. dougP On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:15:42 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: Right now, I run either a Large Saddlesack or panniers on a Nitto Big Rear Rack on my 54cm Hunqapillar, with a basket on a mini front for a little extra weight in front, and it works pretty good. But I'm curious if I wouldn't be happier with a Big Front Rack with panniers and a basket. Can anyone share there experience with this kind of load? I feel like I want more weight up front, more than I'm comfortable with putting on the Mini-Front, and I want the weight a bit lower, too. I'd probably keep the Big Rack in back for longer trips. I'm curious as to how it handles, both loaded and unloaded. Anyone run a setup like this? Thanks, Shawn M. Seattle, WA (Fremont) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
I have to say, I love the basket so much, that if I were to go next time, I'd just keep it empty--it's so damn handy in case you find something along the way you'd want to carry for a short distance--firewood, for example. :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shawn, I think the information stated by Andy, Doug Christopher is dead on...I'll add I did a 260 mile tour with about sixty pounds and ran panniers in the back low-riders up front with a basket. What I found was that the handling suffered with the basket load (even 5 lbs) especially on low speed hill climbs. I suffered in my arms shoulder blades with the constant micro-adjustments I had to make, which sounds like what Christopher experienced. On a recent mini-tour I left the basket behind and kept the panniers on front back and reduced the load to about 32 lbs total gear plus pannier weight and my Hilsen handled really well. My caveat though is you have a Hungapillar which is stouter than a Hilsen so your max load could be higher and handle really well. Also Doug has a mid-trail (not trying to make this another mid/low trail discussion) fork and his front end handling may be slightly different than your's. I plan on increasing the load in the future to see the difference. I'll be interested what you do with feedback. Best, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
Christopher, I get that. It really is handy. ~Hugh On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:49:07 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: I have to say, I love the basket so much, that if I were to go next time, I'd just keep it empty--it's so damn handy in case you find something along the way you'd want to carry for a short distance--firewood, for example. :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Shawn, I think the information stated by Andy, Doug Christopher is dead on...I'll add I did a 260 mile tour with about sixty pounds and ran panniers in the back low-riders up front with a basket. What I found was that the handling suffered with the basket load (even 5 lbs) especially on low speed hill climbs. I suffered in my arms shoulder blades with the constant micro-adjustments I had to make, which sounds like what Christopher experienced. On a recent mini-tour I left the basket behind and kept the panniers on front back and reduced the load to about 32 lbs total gear plus pannier weight and my Hilsen handled really well. My caveat though is you have a Hungapillar which is stouter than a Hilsen so your max load could be higher and handle really well. Also Doug has a mid-trail (not trying to make this another mid/low trail discussion) fork and his front end handling may be slightly different than your's. I plan on increasing the load in the future to see the difference. I'll be interested what you do with feedback. Best, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
Then again...one could just strap wood to a front rack or a six pack depending on your sense of priorities. ~Hugh On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:49:07 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: I have to say, I love the basket so much, that if I were to go next time, I'd just keep it empty--it's so damn handy in case you find something along the way you'd want to carry for a short distance--firewood, for example. :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Shawn, I think the information stated by Andy, Doug Christopher is dead on...I'll add I did a 260 mile tour with about sixty pounds and ran panniers in the back low-riders up front with a basket. What I found was that the handling suffered with the basket load (even 5 lbs) especially on low speed hill climbs. I suffered in my arms shoulder blades with the constant micro-adjustments I had to make, which sounds like what Christopher experienced. On a recent mini-tour I left the basket behind and kept the panniers on front back and reduced the load to about 32 lbs total gear plus pannier weight and my Hilsen handled really well. My caveat though is you have a Hungapillar which is stouter than a Hilsen so your max load could be higher and handle really well. Also Doug has a mid-trail (not trying to make this another mid/low trail discussion) fork and his front end handling may be slightly different than your's. I plan on increasing the load in the future to see the difference. I'll be interested what you do with feedback. Best, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
