Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

Kidneys: so good for you, we were made with two.



On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
>  I'm now much less concerned about ingesting aluminum, and more 
> appreciative of my kidneys.
>
> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Philip Williamson]

I noticed the assertion about plantar fasciitis, too, and went, "What? Plantar 
fasciitis isn't viral." 

Similarly, I looked up metals poisoning the other morning, and while yes, 
aluminum disrupts the function of the blood brain barrier, symptoms are only 
ever seen in people with renal (kidney) failure. Our kidneys seem to do a great 
job of scrubbing aluminum out of our bodies. 

Aluminum doesn't seem to be present in cigarette smoke, but other metals are. 
Not enough to scare me, especially compared to breathing in smoke.

Thanks for the interesting conversation! I'm now much less concerned about 
ingesting aluminum, and more appreciative of my kidneys.

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:14:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>
> “… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal 
> or glass; picking up a stray virus like plantar fasciitis, a parasite like 
> hookworm, or a bacteria like pseudomonas; not to mention risking breaking 
> or severing a toe."
>


Sorry I'm late jumping in on this conversation (and I may have missed this 
being addressed), but, a point of clarification

The above sentence, to me, reads that plantar fasciitis is caused by a 
virus, which, is not the case  plantar fasciitis being a condition 
where there's inflammation of the plantar fascia, through overuse, being 
overweight, improper footwear, etc... 
(BTDT).

-L

(A Tennesseean, who is barefoot occasionally, but more often, if not in 
hiking boots, is wearing Chacos);)

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

if it doesn't get splinters in his feet, Deac won't like it.  

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber 
> block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:
>
> Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.
>
> Bore hole through the middle.
>
> Slide over pedal spindle.
>
> Add washer, nut, and locknut.
>
> Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is 
> almost like going barefoot.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield  > wrote:
>
>> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to 
>> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts 
>> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. 
>> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so 
>> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>>
>> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of 
>> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks 
>> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>>
>> Toby
>> Toronto
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Patrick Moore]

Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber
block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:

Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.

Bore hole through the middle.

Slide over pedal spindle.

Add washer, nut, and locknut.

Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is
almost like going barefoot.




On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield 
wrote:

> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to
> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts
> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar.
> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so
> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>
> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of
> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks
> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>
> Toby
> Toronto
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Toby Whitfield]

I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to plywood. 
White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts countersunk in 
white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. Even better if the 
profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so that there isn't a 
significant amount that is cantilevered. 

If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of course the 
glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks would be a 
good source of appropriate plywood. 

Toby 
Toronto 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

Yes, but that wide, flat platform would seem to reduce the pressure points that 
the Deacon is experiencing from standard pedals.

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?
> 
> On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
>> available in the aftermarket:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
>> long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer 
>> service, and will probably rebuild them for you for a fee.
>> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

How's plywood once it gets wet?  There are two possible issues here: 
delamination and slipperiness.


On 09/21/2015 11:47 AM, M D Smith wrote:

Patrick-

I'm still thinking wood is the way to go:

Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it.  (You could also experiment with 1/8", but it 
might be a bit too flexible.)  Trace or have someone else trace your foot.  Cut the foot shaped 
pieces out, or use them as a template to form you Platonic ideal of a "barefoot pedal intended 
for long distance riding/comfort."

Now drill holes to zip tie them to your current pedals, file out a small groove 
between the holes so the tie doesn't sit proud of the platform.  Spend a 
contemplative evening sanding them until they are buttery smooth, afix them to 
your pedals, et voilà, Bob's yer uncle!  You could also stain and/or wax the 
wood to give it some extra style.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?

On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
available in the aftermarket:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968 
 



I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent 
customer service, and will probably rebuild them for you for a fee.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still available 
in the aftermarket:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
 

 

I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on long-distance 
rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer service, and will 
probably rebuild them for you for a fee.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The Motos 
> are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, is too 
> small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are too 
> small underfoot.
> 
> The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge is 
> there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
> riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too small. 
> Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Ellis Dee wrote:
> So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot 
> and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic 
> pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to 
> something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/21/2015 10:46 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. 
The Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I 
suspect, is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same 
size and they are too small underfoot.


The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge 
is there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too 
small. Grin.



How are the old traditional rubber block pedals that used to come on 
those wonderful Raleigh 3-speeds for barefoot long distance comfort?




These are MKS, $30 at sheldonbrown.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

It is none of those things, and if you thought about it objectively for 
a moment, you'd see it right away.  If you are looking for a source of a 
problem, do you look first at the obscure causes, or do you look first 
at those known to be the most likely?


On 09/19/2015 10:31 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, 
haven't called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do 
that with humor.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

With me there is certainly a lot of "weird" to choose from! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
> Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, 
> haven't called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do that 
> with humor.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, haven't 
called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do that with 
humor.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Steve, I appreciate your concern and the point you are making beneath the 
emotional bombast. I also agree, you are not judging me, you are focused on 
an action I choose to do. You are attempting to "love the sinner hate the 
sin." Grin.

At the risk of sending you round the bend, I only just began experiencing 
these symptoms this summer. Smoking a pipe is not high on my list of 
potential causes because it is not a new factor. I've smoked a pipe for 
over 20 years. Could buildup have reached a critical point and coincidently 
have happened post surgery and with increased barefoot riding? Sure. Could 
be all three combined. Logically, the most likely culprit is the surgery 
due to timing and it is the most anomalous (thus the most suspicious), and 
I'm operating on that premise. Should the need arise, I will eliminate the 
pipe and see if that helps. 

With abandon,
Patrick



On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 7:26:52 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> This is not judgment, policing or Truth Absolute.  It's nothing more 
> than Occam's Razor.   Which is a more likely source of ingestion into 
> the body of aluminum, transference through the soles of the feet or 
> ingestion via the lungs and the mouth?  The soles of the feet are 
> designed to protect against intrusion of foreign materials, while the 
> lungs and the mouth are designed to facilitate ingestion; and tobacco 
> smoke is demonstrably rich in heavy metals in addition to many other 
> toxic substances. 
>
>
>
> On 09/19/2015 08:40 AM, Garth wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I 
> > know the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true 
> > , there must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called 
> > truth is Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not 
> > Truth, but a "practice without a license" . 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone here have such Authority ? 
> > 
> > I know none , no man has such Authority 
> > 
> > Enough of that .  . . . . . 
> > 
> > __ 
> > 
> > As for Life .  . .. Life is Good ! 
> > Wondrous and Eternal 
> > 
> > ... to "Love your neighbor as yourself" to me means that there is no 
> > separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
> > regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my 
> > neighbor for Life is all there is to "me" . 
> > 
> > With Love,  Garth 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

This is not judgment, policing or Truth Absolute.  It's nothing more 
than Occam's Razor.   Which is a more likely source of ingestion into 
the body of aluminum, transference through the soles of the feet or 
ingestion via the lungs and the mouth?  The soles of the feet are 
designed to protect against intrusion of foreign materials, while the 
lungs and the mouth are designed to facilitate ingestion; and tobacco 
smoke is demonstrably rich in heavy metals in addition to many other 
toxic substances.




On 09/19/2015 08:40 AM, Garth wrote:



   What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I 
know the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true 
, there must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called 
truth is Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not 
Truth, but a "practice without a license" .



Does anyone here have such Authority ?

I know none , no man has such Authority

Enough of that .  . . . . .

__

As for Life .  . .. Life is Good !
Wondrous and Eternal

... to "Love your neighbor as yourself" to me means that there is no 
separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my 
neighbor for Life is all there is to "me" .


With Love,  Garth


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

   What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I know 
the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true , there 
must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called truth is 
Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not Truth, but a 
"practice without a license" . 


Does anyone here have such Authority ?   

I know none , no man has such Authority 

Enough of that .  . . . . .

__

As for Life .  . .. Life is Good !  
Wondrous and Eternal 

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separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my neighbor 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

ps, can I be the shoe police?  

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> had no idea smoke police were invited to this party
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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had no idea smoke police were invited to this party

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[ascpgh]

>
>  is self righteousness!
> I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict.>


Acknowledgment is the first step, but the alkaloid "green monkeys"  are 
both large and surprising (not to diminish your relationships with sugar, 
salt and fat). Any of us who like our coffee know what its depravation 
brings. 

A nice primer on the topic without going too deep into the biochemistry and 
pharmacology:

http://www.decodedscience.com/drugs-nature-chemistry-addictive-alkaloids/53057

Andy Cheatham
*(currently enjoying the benefits of my regular heated caffeine source)*
Pittsburgh


On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> I'd say that sugar, salt and fat are more addictive... But most addictive 
> is self righteousness!
>
> I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict. 
>
> -J
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Justin August]

I'd say that sugar, salt and fat are more addictive... But most addictive is 
self righteousness!

I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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"Grey area" regarding smoking? Huh? If not for the fact that I'm reading this 
on a smart phone, I would think I've returned to the 1950s. 

The harmful effects of tobacco use of any kind  are well-documented … unless 
you don't believe in science, modern medicine, etc.. Even if you don't inhale 
pipe smoke, you're risking oral cancer. 

Deacon, it's hard to grin after part of your mouth has been removed to keep the 
cancer from spreading. 

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I think that 
> would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, including me and pipes and 
> helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and may be right) where I see a whole 
> lot of grey area and personal choice. So he now pokes and prods now and 
> again, and I hope that helps him feel better. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
> 
>> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>> The study you linked to researched cigarettes...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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There's no material difference between the toxins in cigarette smoke and 
the toxins in pipe smoke.  Tobacco smoke is full of toxins.  And if you 
think you can smoke your pipe and not inhale you are deluding yourself.  
These things have all been well known for hundreds of years.


So let's do the comparison: a toxin-laden smoke sucked into your lungs 
and mouth vs a metal that comes into contact with the soles of your feet 
-- which is more likely to bring contaminants into your body?  If you 
think it's the latter you are fooling yourself.


Now I can understand that: addicts are notoriously self deluded about 
the drug they're hooked on, and make no mistake: tobacco is about the 
most addictive substance known to man.  Organically grown poison may be 
"pure," but it's pure poison still.



On 09/18/2015 01:13 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I 
think that would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, 
including me and pipes and helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and 
may be right) where I see a whole lot of grey area and personal 
choice. So he now pokes and prods now and again, and I hope that helps 
him feel better. Grin.


With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:

The study you linked to researched cigarettes...




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I think 
that would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, including me and 
pipes and helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and may be right) where I 
see a whole lot of grey area and personal choice. So he now pokes and prods 
now and again, and I hope that helps him feel better. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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>
> The study you linked to researched cigarettes...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Daniel D.]

The study you linked to researched cigarettes...

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 6:28:18 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than transfer 
> from pedals through the soles of your feet.
>
> On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote: 
>>
>> Does Patrick smoke cigarettes? 
>>
>> "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these 
>> hazardous elements" 
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than 
transfer from pedals through the soles of your feet.


On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:

Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?

"Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these
hazardous elements"




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?
>
> "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these 
> hazardous elements" 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?

"Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these hazardous 
elements" 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Justin August]

If you're worried about cramping you could also try some Unsuphured Blackstrap 
Molasses. Tons of Potassium, smoky sweet salty taste and Mark Sisson approved. 

Good luck in your search. Mystery ailments are not enjoyable. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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On 09/17/2015 11:50 AM, Ellis Dee wrote:

Hi Deacon,

You should be aware that many antacids--both prescription and over the 
counter--contain aluminum hydroxide, as per:

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601013.html

So, if you take a teaspoon of Maalox you've just ingested more 
aluminum than you would get by riding on aluminum bicycle pedals.


If you don't get a rash or break out after riding on your aluminum 
pedals, then you're probably ok.  However, I sympathize with your 
metal toxicity issues.

/
/


 /Toxic and trace elements in tobacco and tobacco smoke./

/M. Chiba 
//and //R. 
Masironi /


/While the harmful health effects of carbon monoxide, nicotine, tar, 
irritants and other noxious gases that are present in tobacco smoke are 
well known, *those due to heavy metals and other toxic mineral elements 
in tobacco smoke are not sufficiently emphasized.* Tobacco smoking 
influences the concentrations of several elements in some organs. This 
review summarizes the known effects of some trace elements and other 
biochemically important elements (Al, As, Cd, Cr, Cu, Pb, Mn, Hg, Ni, 
Po-210, Se, and Zn) which are linked with smoking. Cigarette smoking may 
be a substantial source of intake of these hazardous elements not only 
to the smoker but also, through passive smoking, to nonsmokers. The 
adverse health effects of these toxic elements on the fetus through 
maternal smoking, and on infants through parental smoking, are of 
special concern.//

/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2393306/

Hell of a lot more likely to get that heavy metal poisoning, if indeed 
that's what it is, from smoking than from riding aluminum pedals 
barefoot, I'd say.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 01:11 AM, Oliver S. wrote:


Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot 
riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum.




Just don't step off while the bike is still moving.  I have an old, worn 
out pair of Sidi Dominators and the lugs are all ground off the sole on 
the foot I step down with.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

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On 09/15/2015 02:14 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you 
might pick up in bare feet while you’re walking around.


Not to mention nails and dog poop...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you might pick 
up in bare feet while you’re walking around. 

There are benefits to walking barefoot, but also dangers:

“… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal or 
glass; picking up a stray virus like plantar fasciitis, a parasite like 
hookworm, or a bacteria like pseudomonas; not to mention risking breaking or 
severing a toe."

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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Anton Tutter  wrote:
> 
> Good question-- this is a concern with antiperspirants since many contain 
> aluminum. A research paper on this effect (on mice) determined that about 
> 0.01% of applied Al from antiperspirant is absorbed by the skin. Per 
> application, that amounted to about 4 mcg, or about 2.5% of the amount of 
> aluminum normally absorbed daily by the gut from food.
> .
> So are you absorbing Al from riding your pedals barefoot? Probably a tiny 
> amount, and probably way less than the levels measured in the research study 
> since you are probably rubbing off a tiny fraction of what was applied to the 
> mice. I'm guessing you're rubbing less than picogram amounts of AL off your 
> pedals with each ride.
> 
> Anton
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> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
> 
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to many 
> “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may have 
> metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt and 
> have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve shifted to 
> always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things up, but there 
> is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine causal with all 
> this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not meaning to delve into 
> if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond off list if you feel 
> inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective knowledge of this 
> august body knows about the intersection of biology and metallurgy. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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