Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-15 Thread Brad
Quickly, off the top of my head, I can list 14 Rivs I've bumped into (or 
noticed locked up) in NYC. That's not counting riders on this list I've 
never met. I'm sure there are many more than 20 here.

Brad P.
Queens

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:14:11 PM UTC-4, Skenry wrote:
>
> I'd be surprised if there is more than 20 in any city outside of San 
> Fransisco or Portland.
>
>   
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> My experience..generally is that my rivs are much admired...some riders 
>> and shop folks really love the lugs and the classic good looks. There are 
>> not a whole lot of Rivendells in Winnipeg...if there are more than 20 in 
>> Winnipeg , I'd be very surprised
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is 
>>> becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries, 
>>> commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the 
>>> bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:

 In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those 
 not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright 
 position, 
 and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow). 
 Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin 
 more 
 than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they 
 think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, 
 I'm 
 enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser" 

 It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go, 
 to the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars 
 and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I 
 can 
 let them think that.

 But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride, 
 be it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes 
 they wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of 
 us 
 is a part of a community, and that there are different kinds of 
 people,bike, and bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a 
 beautiful 
 thing. It usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then 
 the parts. It may not be for them, but they totally respect it. 

 Not as many of those folks, but they are here.

 If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to 
 here, "Would you like to ride it?"

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-15 Thread Scott Henry
I'd be surprised if there is more than 20 in any city outside of San
Fransisco or Portland.



On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> My experience..generally is that my rivs are much admired...some riders
> and shop folks really love the lugs and the classic good looks. There are
> not a whole lot of Rivendells in Winnipeg...if there are more than 20 in
> Winnipeg , I'd be very surprised
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>> Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is
>> becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries,
>> commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the
>> bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:
>>>
>>> In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those
>>> not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright position,
>>> and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow).
>>> Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin more
>>> than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they
>>> think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, I'm
>>> enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser"
>>>
>>> It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go,
>>> to the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars
>>> and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I can
>>> let them think that.
>>>
>>> But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride,
>>> be it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes
>>> they wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of us
>>> is a part of a community, and that there are different kinds of
>>> people,bike, and bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a beautiful
>>> thing. It usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then
>>> the parts. It may not be for them, but they totally respect it.
>>>
>>> Not as many of those folks, but they are here.
>>>
>>> If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to
>>> here, "Would you like to ride it?"
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-13 Thread R Shannon
Scott, that's a beautiful Homer!

Regards,
Richard

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> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that are 
> good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came over and 
> picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay for it?".  
> 
> I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
> work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I do. 
>  But I love it more and more with every ride.
> 
> My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
> few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
> Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
> highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have I 
>> ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
>> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
>> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
>> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
>> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>> 
>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept the 
>> 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and truing 
>> without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 years ago 
>> before I had any real shop cred.
>> 
>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
>> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
>> shifters?)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an LBS 
>>> and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
 
  Will Ashe wrote:
 
> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv dealer 
> or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
> 
> Will
> 
> 
 
 Will,
 
 By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike designs, 
 and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a shop where you 
 can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the door. (That's 
 happened to me before.)
 
 
 Paul 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-13 Thread Patrick Moore
Just yesterday evening as I pulled up to Albertson's front door on my '03,
a shopper leaving exclaimed, "Nice bike!" Those praising the bike are by no
means usually cyclists themselves -- or, at least, they don't look like the
sort of person who has studied bikes for years. Though occasionally, I'll
have a passer-by say, "Rivendell! Nice!"

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Alexei Marcoux 
wrote:

> When I lived in Chicago, I got much Riv-love from the now-defunct Rapid
> Transit Cycle Shop (one of whose mechanics, Doug Haynes, built up
> beautifully for me a fixie-with-a-front-drum-brake SimpleOne). Here in
> midtown Omaha, I have received favorable responses to my Rivendell
> ownership from Olympia Cycles (who built up my first-ever derailleur-geared
> bike, a Velo Orange Campeur) and from Riv dealer Omaha Bicycle Company
> (which will supply me imminently with a new 52cm Clem Low in mustard).
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-12 Thread R Shannon
Selling Rivs and allowing a customer access to their shop to build wheels? Talk 
about full service. That is over the top! You may be right about best shop 
ever. Certainly in the Pantheon of great shops.

Thanks!
Richard

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Kai Vierstra  wrote:
> 
> 718 is great! I took a wheel building class there. They'll teach you how for 
> free, give you a discount on the parts needed, and let you use their shop to 
> build. It's crrrazy! Best shop ever? Probably. 
> -Kai Vierstra 
> Brooklyn NY 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-11 Thread Kai Vierstra
718 is great! I took a wheel building class there. They'll teach you how for 
free, give you a discount on the parts needed, and let you use their shop to 
build. It's crrrazy! Best shop ever? Probably. 
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-11 Thread RichS
Kai, in your neck of the woods 718 Cyclery is a welcoming shop. You probably 
know they are a Riv dealer. Easy to see why. I had the pleasure of visiting 
there two weeks ago. Talked with a nice lady named Lee. Lots of fat tire bikes; 
few if any roadies. Three Rivs on the floor: two Joe Appas and one Clem. Lee 
offered to let me ride one but I didn't want to test out the unfamiliar 
Brooklyn streets.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread RichS
I'm with the Deacon 100% on maintaining the engine and just enjoying the ride. 
Here in the ATL I get a goodly number of "beautiful bike" comments from riders 
and non-riders. Once I got a "Rivendell"! shout from a guy in a car.
Made my day:)

Best,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Deacon Patrick
Brilliant!

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:31:37 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>  Dudes on Huffys with fishing rods pass me ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Joe Bernard
I've never had any Riv prejudice thrown my way in the SF Bay Area, but this is 
possibly because I'm kind enough to be a very slow rider. Dudes on Huffys with 
fishing rods pass me ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Patrick Moore
Now that is eloquence piled on top of quick thinking! I approve!

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Trenker  wrote:

>
> Another compliment came from a group of university lads in a car ( they
> love to shout out words of encouragement ): "Nice bike, Fag!" I responded
> with the only thing that came to mind, "Nice car, asshole!" All part of a
> pleasant ride.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Trenker
Yes! In my case, I hang back and make darn sure I can "sustain it" before I 
pass anyone...   :-)

I've had a couple compliments for my Atlantis. One was by a mountainbike 
racer, who immediately focused on the rear triangle and noticed there was 
good clearance there, which I thought was quite astute. 

Another compliment came from a group of university lads in a car ( they 
love to shout out words of encouragement ): "Nice bike, Fag!" I responded 
with the only thing that came to mind, "Nice car, asshole!" All part of a 
pleasant ride. 




On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Nah. At least in my case, I'm comfortable on my Rivs, thus enjoy riding, 
> thus I ride them more, thus my engine is better then most folks. I get 
> passed at my normal speed, and I pass folks at my normal speed. I do not 
> speed up to pass or ride with. What's the point? Less enjoyable riding. 
> Grin.
>
> However on those occasions when I pass someone on the latest and greatest, 
> there is a certain and pleasant satisfaction on the part of my engine. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>
>> So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
>> or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or 
>> willpower that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes 
>> when the situation arises…?   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Deacon Patrick
Nah. At least in my case, I'm comfortable on my Rivs, thus enjoy riding, 
thus I ride them more, thus my engine is better then most folks. I get 
passed at my normal speed, and I pass folks at my normal speed. I do not 
speed up to pass or ride with. What's the point? Less enjoyable riding. 
Grin.

However on those occasions when I pass someone on the latest and greatest, 
there is a certain and pleasant satisfaction on the part of my engine. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>
>
> So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
> or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or 
> willpower that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes 
> when the situation arises…?   :-)
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Trenker


So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or willpower 
that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes when the 
situation arises…?   :-)




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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread IanA
"Hey nice Rivendale" was common when I had my Riv. Positive, but wrong!  

I did get asked where my Rivendell came from once and seriously replied "middle 
earth". The fellow was happy with that and carried on. 

I sold mine, but there's the odd Riv around. I saw a SimpleOne a while back and 
talked to its owner for a bit. 

Rivendell carries some cache even this far north. But, being Canada, people 
will spot a Marinoni a mile off. 

Ian A Canada

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Kai Vierstra
Passed by Schwalbe Big Ones gets racers racing.
As for NYC bike shops and their love of Riv and the like, good shops act great, 
bad shops don't. Never having brought a carbon fiber $ into the bad shops, 
I don't know if it would change anything.
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Brian Campbell
You two are the biggest "closet roadies" on this list!

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Patrick The Deacon said: *A few days ago (recent enough I still remember 
> it, not so recent I know it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age 
> on a typical oldish front shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to 
> speed up and ride with me and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, 
> though he constantly commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone 
> of "on THAT bike, with RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the 
> trailhead! in his tone, but it may have been breathing heavily.*
>
> Not relevant to the "how do they like Rivendell thread," but speaking of 
> passing: I recall some 20 years ago (I was a feisty 40-something youth) 
> riding my knobby tire'd (Farmer Johns!!) around my parents' rolling Rio 
> Rancho, NM neighborhood, and, stoutly climbing a steepish hill, passing 
> another 30-40-something juvenile on a Merckx. "Nice bike!!", I said. He 
> disdained to reply. I can recall other incidents of this sort, passing 
> roadies on pavement while riding a knobby tire'd mountain bike.
>
> Now that I am 61-and-a-half and regularly passed by many of the young 
> women on my routes, I have to cherish my memories. (He wept tears of 
> nostalgia into his yellowed beard.)
>
> My brother (5 1/2 years younger than I) did me one better. Some 20+ years 
> ago he was pulling his 3-4 year old son in a Burley up San Vicente Blvd in 
> W LA, and passed a young buck on a currently fashionable road bike. "Hi! 
> Howzit going!" he said, with no irony measurable by modern instrument. He 
> was surprised that the other rider seemed discontent.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> I try to order stuff through my LBS and fail most of the time (as in "we 
>> can't get that even through special order). So I mostly order through 
>> Rivendell. My LBS does dutifully do things like hub and headset work for me.
>>
>> A few days ago (recent enough I still remember it, not so recent I know 
>> it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age on a typical oldish front 
>> shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to speed up and ride with me 
>> and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, though he constantly 
>> commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone of "on THAT bike, with 
>> RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the trailhead! in his tone, but it 
>> may have been breathing heavily.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only 
>>> have I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other 
>>> such oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo 
>>> selling, Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled 
>>> over Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. 
>>> Local roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>>>
>>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
>>> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
>>> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
>>> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>>>
>>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my 
>>> hot rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar 
>>> twist shifters?)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
 LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and 
 the 
 owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
 Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
 showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
 and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   



 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>
>
>  Will Ashe wrote:
>
> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
>> dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
> Will,
>
> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>
>
> Paul 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

2016-09-10 Thread Patrick Moore
Patrick The Deacon said: *A few days ago (recent enough I still remember
it, not so recent I know it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age
on a typical oldish front shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to
speed up and ride with me and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike,
though he constantly commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone
of "on THAT bike, with RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the
trailhead! in his tone, but it may have been breathing heavily.*

Not relevant to the "how do they like Rivendell thread," but speaking of
passing: I recall some 20 years ago (I was a feisty 40-something youth)
riding my knobby tire'd (Farmer Johns!!) around my parents' rolling Rio
Rancho, NM neighborhood, and, stoutly climbing a steepish hill, passing
another 30-40-something juvenile on a Merckx. "Nice bike!!", I said. He
disdained to reply. I can recall other incidents of this sort, passing
roadies on pavement while riding a knobby tire'd mountain bike.

Now that I am 61-and-a-half and regularly passed by many of the young women
on my routes, I have to cherish my memories. (He wept tears of nostalgia
into his yellowed beard.)

My brother (5 1/2 years younger than I) did me one better. Some 20+ years
ago he was pulling his 3-4 year old son in a Burley up San Vicente Blvd in
W LA, and passed a young buck on a currently fashionable road bike. "Hi!
Howzit going!" he said, with no irony measurable by modern instrument. He
was surprised that the other rider seemed discontent.



On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I try to order stuff through my LBS and fail most of the time (as in "we
> can't get that even through special order). So I mostly order through
> Rivendell. My LBS does dutifully do things like hub and headset work for me.
>
> A few days ago (recent enough I still remember it, not so recent I know it
> was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age on a typical oldish front
> shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to speed up and ride with me
> and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, though he constantly
> commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone of "on THAT bike, with
> RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the trailhead! in his tone, but it
> may have been breathing heavily.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have
>> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such
>> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling,
>> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over
>> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local
>> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>>
>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept
>> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and
>> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25
>> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>>
>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot
>> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist
>> shifters?)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an
>>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the
>>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those
>>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was
>>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel
>>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:


  Will Ashe wrote:

 I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv
> dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
>
> Will
>
> 
> 
>

 Will,

 By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike
 designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a
 shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the
 door. (That's happened to me before.)


 Paul

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