Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
Did you remember to inform Will that we're expecting hourly posts on the blug about how the assembly work is going? :) On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > 1-800-345-3918 Operators are standing by. I called yesterday to talk about > raw Hillborne forks on the Web Specials. I had a delightful conversation > with Will, who is travelling to Taiwan this weekend to oversee the assembly > of our Ready to Ride Appaloosas. After that pleasant chat, Will took a few > measurements for me and talked me out of buying a raw Hillborne fork. Give > them a call and let them sort things out for you. Will is probably your > best expert for everything there is to know about the Appaloosa. He will > have all the info you need to aid your decision whether a Ready to Ride > Appaloosa will be right for you. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
"That approach to "custom" isn't all that unusual. " agreed. And since it is not all that not all that unusual, when you are intent on buying a custom frameset that allows really low handlebars, you would not come talk to Grant first. You would go talk to somebody who likes designing bikes for really low handlebars. You know that. You paid Mitch Pryor to build you a machine that Mitch Pryor loves building, and is expert at building. That's smart. You wouldn't even approach Mitch Pryor for a folding bike. Similarly, you wouldn't even approach Grant if you wanted really low handlebars. There are several other reasons you personally would never approach Grant for a custom, but those reasons are not germane to this topic. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
Richard Sachs was the same way (still is, but for a very limited number of customers). I sent him a number of measurements of myself and the bike I was riding at the time, and he built a frame that reflected his idea of how a bike should be designed. It’s a marvelous bicycle, but not the same bike Grant would build, of course. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com www.CampyOnly.com Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com @Campyonlyguy > On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 01/05/2016 02:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> Furthermore, a Rivendell custom is not the relationship many people want or >> expect when buying a bespoke frameset. A Rivendell Custom is not where you, >> the customer tell Rivendell exactly what to build. A Rivendell Custom is >> where you, the customer, talk to Grant, and Grant elects to design a >> frameset for you, or elects not to. > > That approach to "custom" isn't all that unusual. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
On 01/05/2016 02:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Furthermore, a Rivendell custom is not the relationship many people want or expect when buying a bespoke frameset. A Rivendell Custom is not where you, the customer tell Rivendell exactly what to build. A Rivendell Custom is where you, the customer, talk to Grant, and Grant elects to design a frameset for you, or elects not to. That approach to "custom" isn't all that unusual. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
OK, my post was following on the conversation about SUB-$2000 framesets. That's why I said sub $2000 in my post. A custom Rivendell frameset is not sub $2000 I also said that people who desperately want really low handlebars on their steel bike should probably not come to Rivendell first. In my opinion, Rivendell Bicycle Works is not the best shop to come to if you seek really low handlebars. It is my opinion that it is easy to find a nice steel frameset that allows very low handlebars for under $2000. Trying to force a negative rise stem and drop bars onto a Joe Appaloosa would be a very odd way to get your bars low, in my opinion. Furthermore, a Rivendell custom is not the relationship many people want or expect when buying a bespoke frameset. A Rivendell Custom is not where you, the customer tell Rivendell exactly what to build. A Rivendell Custom is where you, the customer, talk to Grant, and Grant elects to design a frameset for you, or elects not to. If you plopped $3500 on the counter and insisted on a bike with the bars 10cm below the saddle, Grant would hand you your money back, and advise you of many excellent framebuilders who would take your business. Somebody who was fiercely loyal to Rivendell and wants the bars 4 or 5cm below the saddle can buy a Roadeo, or a custom. Neither of those is sub-$2000, but the options exist for not-excessive amounts of handlebar drop. On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 01/05/2016 01:55 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Yes they are. How is that germane to the post I made? > > > Making choices. Riv customs are almost never mentioned anymore, and I > wasn't sure they were even still available. Since they are, for "fiercely > loyal to Rivendell and intent on slamming stems" customers they should be > one of the choices considered, even though they've been de-emphasized in > the past 10 years or so. Along with all the many, many other steel > framesets out there. > > On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> > In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset >> > that allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one. If they >> > love their handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably >> > not their best first choice. LOW handlebar road bikes are not that >> > difficult to find in the marketplace. If there is somebody who is >> > fiercely loyal to Rivendell and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, >> > and are equally intent on slamming that stem, then they are going to >> > have to make a choice. >> > >> >> The Riv customs are still available, aren't they? >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
On 01/05/2016 01:55 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Yes they are. How is that germane to the post I made? Making choices. Riv customs are almost never mentioned anymore, and I wasn't sure they were even still available. Since they are, for "fiercely loyal to Rivendell and intent on slamming stems" customers they should be one of the choices considered, even though they've been de-emphasized in the past 10 years or so. Along with all the many, many other steel framesets out there. On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset > that allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one. If they > love their handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably > not their best first choice. LOW handlebar road bikes are not that > difficult to find in the marketplace. If there is somebody who is > fiercely loyal to Rivendell and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, > and are equally intent on slamming that stem, then they are going to > have to make a choice. > The Riv customs are still available, aren't they? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
I could ride a 46 Joe with dropbars, or a 51 with pullbacks. I'm not sure how we got to the idea that certain Rivs can't be outfitted with whatever bars people like. The smaller frame will have a shorter top- and head-tube, which gets them closer and below the saddle if you want. Easy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
Yes they are. How is that germane to the post I made? On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset > > that allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one. If they > > love their handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably > > not their best first choice. LOW handlebar road bikes are not that > > difficult to find in the marketplace. If there is somebody who is > > fiercely loyal to Rivendell and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, > > and are equally intent on slamming that stem, then they are going to > > have to make a choice. > > > > The Riv customs are still available, aren't they? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset that allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one. If they love their handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably not their best first choice. LOW handlebar road bikes are not that difficult to find in the marketplace. If there is somebody who is fiercely loyal to Rivendell and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, and are equally intent on slamming that stem, then they are going to have to make a choice. The Riv customs are still available, aren't they? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
A propos of the other thread on bar/stem/saddle positioning: this is a very good observation. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Dave Johnston wrote: > . Drop Bar positioning is much more sensitive to a cm here or there. The > upright bars seem much less sensitive to a cm fore - back or up or down. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
What's the unit? Inches? centimeters? On 01/05/2016 10:56 AM, Lungimsam wrote: I ride with bars 1.3 below saddle. That maxes out my blue Sam. But I'm at 1.3 below saddle and it is great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
Velo Orange's Quill Stem looks similar, though it is shinier than the one in Blug. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/stems/quill-stems/vo-quill-stem.html Takashi 2015年12月20日日曜日 15時40分02秒 UTC+9 James Warren: > > > The stem. > > Can I get that stem that's on the sample Joe? Is that gonna be a new > offering from Nitto. Can I get that stem without the handlebar, without the > bike. I want that stem for some other bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
That stem and bar combo are not coming on the complete bike. The complete bike will have the bullmoose variant. When I saw that bar and stem combo in person, I said "Oh, you're going to have the Choco bar as separates" and Vince said "yeah. looks like it". That's not a hard commitment, but it seems super likely to me. I hope that stem comes in the clamp diameter(s) you want. The tapered shape of the clamp led me to believe it is probably a 26.0 clamp, but that's just a guess from visual clues. It's every bit as nice as the Nitto/Ritchey stems that came on the MB1/RB1/XO1 Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 7:02:20 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 11:40:02 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: >> >> >> The stem. >> >> Can I get that stem that's on the sample Joe? Is that gonna be a new >> offering from Nitto. Can I get that stem without the handlebar, without the >> bike. I want that stem for some other bikes. > > > I was going to mention/ask the exact same thing. Stems like that are HARD > to find, but seem to be exactly what I need most often for my older bikes. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 11:40:02 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: > > > The stem. > > Can I get that stem that's on the sample Joe? Is that gonna be a new > offering from Nitto. Can I get that stem without the handlebar, without the > bike. I want that stem for some other bikes. I was going to mention/ask the exact same thing. Stems like that are HARD to find, but seem to be exactly what I need most often for my older bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG
The stem. Can I get that stem that's on the sample Joe? Is that gonna be a new offering from Nitto. Can I get that stem without the handlebar, without the bike. I want that stem for some other bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
