Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[masmojo]

Seriously 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Joe Bernard]

Well I'm not leaving the list. I feel strongly about my position, I just think 
it was placed in the wrong forum. "White knighting" is the same bollocks as 
"virtue signaling"..it places the blame on the person who objects to something 
happening that was wrong. I'm not going to play that game. I said I was sorry 
for bringing it here and that's all you're going to get. Accept it or deem me a 
jerk. Your choice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Philip Williamson]

I think “I should’ve DM’d that guy” is the wrong moral to draw from this story. 
There was some hilariously inappropriate white knight shit going down across 
the board, and if that came at me offline, I would post it all publicly and 
leave the list. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Joe Bernard]

Also, I don't think Chris is a bad guy, I just think he had a thought in the 
middle of a busy day that maybe needed more editing before Send. I've done it a 
hundred times so I get it. Internet is an absurdly fast way to express a 
thought, and sometimes it bites us in the ass. Been there. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I agree I should have gone after this offline. I apologise to everyone for 
doing it here, and for my language. My presentation is that one should accept 
when they've screwed up and make amends for it without qualifiers. I screwed up 
by persuing the argument publicly. That's on me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Philip Williamson]

I both love and hate all of you now. 
Velouria doesn’t read this list, and none of us deserve an apology on her 
behalf. 

Canti-Sams are not my favorite, but I sure wish the new Frank Jones Sr. 
singlespeeds came in 60, 62, 64 sizes. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Abcyclehank]

In hindsight I propose that others consider attacking or  or questioning each 
other in PM’s.

Regarding Canti Sams is there any talk of a 66cm + version for us 100PBH 
individuals?
Or does that shift me back to the AHH vs Sam post.

Love this List just not the occasional squabbling over perception vs reality as 
we each interpret things differently and from our own bias perspectives based 
on our experiences, beliefs, and personal life long learning journeys.

Sincerely,
Ryan “digging out from 60” of snow this season so far” Hankinson
Muskegon, Michigan, USA, Earth, Etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bill Lindsay]

Canti-Sams are awesome!  Great point!

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
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> So, uh, how 'bout those new canti Sams, guys? 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Joe Bernard]

I'm sorry, it just bothers me that we were celebrating Velouria's return and it 
turned into this ridiculous crap. Now I've got this guy on PM calling me "a sad 
little man", which is just perfect. Yeah, I'm sad that Velouria might search 
her blog name and find that some guy was put out because she didn't notify him 
of her emergency circumstances and now won't read her stuff anymore. That is 
never going to be ok in my brain. I'm funny that way and I'm out. Goodnight. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Justin August]

Agreed.
My brother died suddenly six years ago. I had some people respond similarly to 
Christopher when I wasn’t able to complete some reviews on the website I wrote 
for at the time. They subsequently were reprimanded by their bosses and 
blackballed by some news sites for their behavior (not at my request). Not a 
pretty situation but insensitivity and entitlement is pretty ugly.

Rule one of life: don’t be a jerk. If someone else tells you that you came off 
like a jerk then own that you caused someone else to feel that way, self 
examine and move on. No one is saying you are an across the board horrid human. 
You messed up. You own. You make amends. You move on.

Easy.

-Justin

On Jan 5, 2018, 5:25 PM -0800, Joe Bernard , wrote:
> I'm sick of this stupid new world we live in where truth is whatever we say 
> it is, and a thoughtless comment is just another POV. Sorry, sometimes saying 
> the wrong thing is just wrong.
>
> Two years ago my friend - only 38-years-old - was diagnosed with Stage 3B 
> colon cancer. She immediately went into surgery, followed by 6 months of 
> chemotherapy. She's better now, but it brought everything in her life to a 
> halt for a while, and remains a life-changing event. Do the math.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Joe Bernard]

I'm sick of this stupid new world we live in where truth is whatever we say it 
is, and a thoughtless comment is just another POV. Sorry, sometimes saying the 
wrong thing is just wrong. 

Two years ago my friend - only 38-years-old - was diagnosed with Stage 3B colon 
cancer. She immediately went into surgery, followed by 6 months of 
chemotherapy. She's better now, but it brought everything in her life to a halt 
for a while, and remains a life-changing event. Do the math. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[John G.]

So, uh, how 'bout those new canti Sams, guys? 

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 6:40:25 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I have manfully resisted comment here, but I will add my agreement to 
> Mark's, with the further addition that perhaps Christopher might have 
> considered that LB could indeed have undergone something traumatic enough 
> to put her off this particular blog in a very sudden manner.
>
> But yes, I think that, while Christopher may not have been 100% fault free 
> in his comments, I also think that any fault in such comments amounted to 
> no more than, say (takes out his calculator) 5%. 
>
> Patrick Moore, always 110% fault free in his comments (tossing stones, 
> beams in eyes, etc etc etc) Moore
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:55 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I see nothing malicious or offensive in this post, just an opinion about 
>> what he would have preferred. 
>>
>> In brief:
>> Glad she is doing well.
>> Don't think it was right to stop the blog with no explanation.
>> Free to do what she wants, but appears she could have told us something, 
>> since she was in fact updating her knitting blog during this time
>> I will likely take my business elsewhere
>> I wish her well.
>>
>> I'm not sure why so much disapprobation is being reigned down here. As 
>> Velouria said, "We're all adults here." We are, right? It's fair game to 
>> point out that there can be circumstances that make it difficult for 
>> someone to even do something as seemingly simple as update their blog. But 
>> beyond that, I think we risk getting into moralizing or passing judgments. 
>> Velouria created not only a blog but a public internet persona, and a 
>> sizable readership. Different readers will have different expectations in 
>> terms of what all that means when the blogging stops. She doesn't owe 
>> anyone an explanation, but at the same time, readers can disagree with how 
>> she handled it, and stop reading.Nothing terribly wrong with that.  Now, if 
>> she can make writing about knitting compelling, I'll be* really* 
>> impressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy to hear she is well but I don’t think it is right to just stop 
>>> writing with no explanation. She is, of course, free to do as she wishes 
>>> but not updating for 8 months with no explanation seems unnecessary 
>>> (especially as she was updating her knitting blog). I have enjoyed her blog 
>>> over the years but I don’t see myself going back to being a regular reader 
>>> or at all to be honest.  I do wish her well. 
>>>
>>> Cheers! 
>>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Patrick Moore]

I have manfully resisted comment here, but I will add my agreement to
Mark's, with the further addition that perhaps Christopher might have
considered that LB could indeed have undergone something traumatic enough
to put her off this particular blog in a very sudden manner.

But yes, I think that, while Christopher may not have been 100% fault free
in his comments, I also think that any fault in such comments amounted to
no more than, say (takes out his calculator) 5%.

Patrick Moore, always 110% fault free in his comments (tossing stones,
beams in eyes, etc etc etc) Moore

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:55 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I see nothing malicious or offensive in this post, just an opinion about
> what he would have preferred.
>
> In brief:
> Glad she is doing well.
> Don't think it was right to stop the blog with no explanation.
> Free to do what she wants, but appears she could have told us something,
> since she was in fact updating her knitting blog during this time
> I will likely take my business elsewhere
> I wish her well.
>
> I'm not sure why so much disapprobation is being reigned down here. As
> Velouria said, "We're all adults here." We are, right? It's fair game to
> point out that there can be circumstances that make it difficult for
> someone to even do something as seemingly simple as update their blog. But
> beyond that, I think we risk getting into moralizing or passing judgments.
> Velouria created not only a blog but a public internet persona, and a
> sizable readership. Different readers will have different expectations in
> terms of what all that means when the blogging stops. She doesn't owe
> anyone an explanation, but at the same time, readers can disagree with how
> she handled it, and stop reading.Nothing terribly wrong with that.  Now, if
> she can make writing about knitting compelling, I'll be* really*
> impressed.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 1:24:44 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>
>> Happy to hear she is well but I don’t think it is right to just stop
>> writing with no explanation. She is, of course, free to do as she wishes
>> but not updating for 8 months with no explanation seems unnecessary
>> (especially as she was updating her knitting blog). I have enjoyed her blog
>> over the years but I don’t see myself going back to being a regular reader
>> or at all to be honest.  I do wish her well.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[David Hays]

Thank you Deacon for adding this.
David

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Uh, lads? If you can’t think of 20 life events her first paragraphs might 
> refer to, be thankful you’ve not had the challenge and suffering in your own 
> life to have a clue what she might have experienced. She is excellent with 
> words and tells us all we need to know here, if we but choose to listen:
> 
> “We are all adults here. We know that 'things' - private things - happen in 
> life. And we also know that the worst things, the things that shake to the 
> core and immobilise, have that effect precisely because they happen suddenly, 
> without warning. We do not anticipate them; we have no planned response or 
> coping strategy. We do not know how we will react.“
> 
> Off to check for beams in me own eyen noo, but uh, lads, there’s a sliver in 
> your’n.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle Blog

[cyclotourist]

Me, me, me, pick me, pick me1!!

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:15 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Interesting blog  I especially enjoy her statement about the site
 being frivolous and entirely self-indulgent.  To me, that shows a high
 level of self awareness.  Other bloggers should be so humble.  I enjoy
 her article about why a custom bike.

 We really don't know how many women follow this list.  Speculation
 based only on postings may be way off.  In school, who tends to
 quietly absorb the information and who tends to shout out the
 answer?

 dougP

 On Feb 27, 8:00 am, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
  Maybe, but 99.999% is probably a lot closer to the truth than  45%.
  Bill
 
  In a message dated 2/27/2010 10:57:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 
  cyclotour...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Well  there ya' go.
 
  It's like being in high school!
 
  On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Horace _max...@sdf.lonestar.org_
 
  (mailto:max...@sdf.lonestar.org)   wrote:
 
  On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:42 PM, cyclotourist _cyclotour...@gmail.com_
 
  (mailto:cyclotour...@gmail.com)  wrote:
 
  That means we (Rivendellians/ibobs/retrogrouches)  don't interest 45% of
  the population.
 
  Not true! We don't interest 99.999% of the population. :-)  LOL.

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