Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Jim Bronson]

I walked my bike up a hill in the last 200K I did.  About 5 miles from the
end there is an absolute wall of a hill on Barton Creek Blvd.  Well I too
was wearing normal shoes so I got off and walked.  It was great!  No guilt
here!  I think the rules of brevets state that your cycle just has to be
human powered, and it was.  Once I got to the top of the hill I mounted my
bike and rode the last 5 miles.

I think I'm going to make a personal resolution to walk up any hill with a
grade over 15%.  Or should I say 12% ;)

-Jim


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You make an excellent point, Liesl. I was riding my Bleriot up the
> last/steepest part home the other day, and suddenly looked down and noticed
> something: "I'm wearing running shoes!" The walk was nice :)
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:15:53 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Leah, walking a bike up a hill is just fine.  Holy moly, you should've
>> seen me huffing and puffing pushing the loaner Hunq up the foothills of Mt
>> Diablo when I went on the Riv S24O last spring.  At first I felt
>> embarressed because I couldn't even use any excuses like I'm a woman in my
>> 50's because there was Anne moving along spritely.  But then I moved into a
>> different headspace.  Perhaps Grant or Deacon Patrick was whispering in my
>> ear:  all rides are an opportunity; make up the rules so that you win; just
>> ride... and I found myself thinking, "Wow!  I can do this!  It doesn't
>> matter if I walk up a hill or through a really tricky part!  It's fun and
>> hard work!"  Plus everyone on the ride was so great at stopping at the top
>> of a hill to chat, take pictures, drink water, talk about the route,
>> whatever and oh by the way stay until I made it.
>>
>> I'm also like you in that I like to ride with a place in mind.  But I've
>> also found that going out wandering in a new place is fantastic.  I have a
>> Bike Friday that goes with me on work trips or vacations and I relish just
>> going out on it and seeing what I find.  Doesn't need to be far.  You might
>> also enjoy putting a hammock or a tiny camp chair on your Betty along with
>> some project you like (a book, knitting, carving, watercolors...) and have
>> that be your mission; skip the camp chair and do it at a coffee shop.
>> Makes a short ride really fun.
>>
>> best of luck and oh by the way I love this listserv
>>
>> RCW
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[LeahFoy]

Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. 
Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike 
solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant to appreciate 
the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us became road kill, 
instead! 

Ha! 
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike 
rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the 
near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
> 
> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your 
> biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - 
> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where 
> I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, here's 
> what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride.  
> Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can you park 
> your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc 
> by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part of the trip is 
> still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever reason, just live 
> to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park 
> and then ride.  
> 
> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
> Joan 
>  
> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
>  
> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. 
> Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike 
> solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant to appreciate 
> the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us became road kill, 
> instead! 
> 
> Ha! 
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Liesl]

Right on! say I to putting your bike on a rack, driving somewhere, and then 
riding (and occasionally pushing if needed).

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Deacon Patrick]

That sounds like most all my rides longer than 8 miles! With the highway we 
have here it's jut too noisy for my daft brain to handle, so on the van me 
Hunqa goes. I just wish I could drive so I wasn't such a pain for my wife, 
though she says that on the lesser side of the pain that I am. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:30:48 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Right on! say I to putting your bike on a rack, driving somewhere, and 
> then riding (and occasionally pushing if needed).

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff 
in there? 

On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
> direction.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel > 
> wrote:
>
> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in 
> your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - 
> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
> where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
> here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
> ride.  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
> you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
> shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
> of the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever 
> reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part 
> of the way, park and then ride.  
>
> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
> Joan 
>  
> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy> wrote:
>  
> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear 
> mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized 
> Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant 
> to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us 
> became road kill, instead! 
>
> Ha! 
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in 
> there?
> 
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
>> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> direction.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your 
>>> biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - 
>>> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
>>> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
>>> where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
>>> here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>>> ride.  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
>>> you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
>>> shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
>>> of the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever 
>>> reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part 
>>> of the way, park and then ride.  
>>> 
>>> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
>>> Joan 
>>>  
>>> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>  
>>> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear 
>>> mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized 
>>> Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant 
>>> to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us 
>>> became road kill, instead! 
>>> 
>>> Ha! 
>>> Leah
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Joe Bernard]

I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once 
upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and 
drive to the park.
 
On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote:
>
> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff 
> in there? 
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
>> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> direction.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>>
>> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in 
>> your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - 
>> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
>> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
>> where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
>> here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>> ride.  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
>> you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
>> shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
>> of the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever 
>> reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part 
>> of the way, park and then ride.  
>>
>> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
>> Joan 
>>  
>> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
>>  
>> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear 
>> mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized 
>> Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant 
>> to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us 
>> became road kill, instead! 
>>
>> Ha! 
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Michael Hechmer]

Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a 
vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift the 
bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange 
anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. 
 Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.

Michael

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV 
> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back 
> and drive to the park.
>  
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much 
>> kids/stuff in there? 
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind 
>>> of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in 
>>> your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - 
>>> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
>>> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
>>> where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
>>> here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>>> ride.  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
>>> you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
>>> shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
>>> of the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever 
>>> reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part 
>>> of the way, park and then ride.  
>>>
>>> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
>>> Joan 
>>>  
>>> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>  
>>> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear 
>>> mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized 
>>> Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant 
>>> to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us 
>>> became road kill, instead! 
>>>
>>> Ha! 
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Bruce Herbitter]

I used to feel this way, but recently picked up a "Chain Johnny" which 
velcro attaches around your drivetrain and lets you put the bike in the 
basc seat without grease worries. You still have to take the front wheel 
off, but it works nicely and is secure storage.


 
http://brandscycle.com/product/white-lightning-the-chain-johnny-173608-1.htm?gclid=CNCKmq35oLwCFUFo7Aod_mQA6g

On 1/28/2014 6:52 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it 
inside a vehicle


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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Minh]

have you looked at adding a hitch to the odyssey, a fold-away hitch rack 
sounds like the best solution.  

On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
> direction.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

Today I'm planning to find a bike store and see how much $ and how difficult 
that will be. There's a gazillion racks on craigslist, but I don't know which 
is compatible. I'll let you guys know.

Also, on bikehenderson.org I found a bicycle scavenger hunt and the annual 
Stroll n Roll that we can bring our family's bikes to. Things are looking up 
around here, People!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Minh  wrote:
> 
> have you looked at adding a hitch to the odyssey, a fold-away hitch rack 
> sounds like the best solution.  
> 
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
>> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> direction.
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Minh]

I know that adding a hitch will add to the cost, here are a few hitch 
options, http://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-2010_Honda_Odyssey.htm
then there's the cost of installing the hitch and then buying the hitch 
rack itself.  i believe uhaul places sell/install hitches too.

But the hitch bike-rack is something you can find on craigslist for a 
discount.  

The though of having to take a trunk rack on/off, and having it limit 
access to the trunk, especially on a mini-van, i think a hitch is the way 
to go.


On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:17:28 AM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Today I'm planning to find a bike store and see how much $ and how 
> difficult that will be. There's a gazillion racks on craigslist, but I 
> don't know which is compatible. I'll let you guys know.
>
> Also, on bikehenderson.org I found a bicycle scavenger hunt and the 
> annual Stroll n Roll that we can bring our family's bikes to. Things are 
> looking up around here, People!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Minh > 
> wrote:
>
> have you looked at adding a hitch to the odyssey, a fold-away hitch rack 
> sounds like the best solution.  
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
>> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> direction.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Shoji Takahashi]

In case you missed it: there's a section on the bike Henderson site with 
trail maps-- maybe you're closer to bicycle trails than you realize?
http://cityofhenderson.com/public_works/bicycle/maps_trails.php



On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:17:28 AM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Today I'm planning to find a bike store and see how much $ and how 
> difficult that will be. There's a gazillion racks on craigslist, but I 
> don't know which is compatible. I'll let you guys know.
>
> Also, on bikehenderson.org I found a bicycle scavenger hunt and the 
> annual Stroll n Roll that we can bring our family's bikes to. Things are 
> looking up around here, People!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Minh > 
> wrote:
>
> have you looked at adding a hitch to the odyssey, a fold-away hitch rack 
> sounds like the best solution.  
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of 
>> bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> direction.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Tim Gavin]

I have used a cheapo trunk strap-on rack on my ex's 2004 Honda Odyssey.
 Like this one:  http://amzn.to/1jEx4ZI

Six straps at the top, bottom, and sides of the hatch.  A bit of a pain to
install, but easy to take on and off once you get the strap lengths figured
out.

The big advantage of this kind of rack is that you can open the hatch with
it mounted (take the bikes off first).  Don't do this in the garage, though.

The disadvantage is that it's held on by strap tension, and the buckles
aren't that great.  Recommended for short trips, maybe not for extended
freeway.  Definitely not over bumpy off-road.  A hitch rack will be more
secure, but more money.

We also had a hitch mounted on that Odyssey.  U-haul was actually the
cheapest; they should have a hitch in stock.

Tim


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Minh  wrote:

> I know that adding a hitch will add to the cost, here are a few hitch
> options, http://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-2010_Honda_Odyssey.htm
> then there's the cost of installing the hitch and then buying the hitch
> rack itself.  i believe uhaul places sell/install hitches too.
>
> But the hitch bike-rack is something you can find on craigslist for a
> discount.
>
> The though of having to take a trunk rack on/off, and having it limit
> access to the trunk, especially on a mini-van, i think a hitch is the way
> to go.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:17:28 AM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> Today I'm planning to find a bike store and see how much $ and how
>> difficult that will be. There's a gazillion racks on craigslist, but I
>> don't know which is compatible. I'll let you guys know.
>>
>> Also, on bikehenderson.org I found a bicycle scavenger hunt and the
>> annual Stroll n Roll that we can bring our family's bikes to. Things are
>> looking up around here, People!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> have you looked at adding a hitch to the odyssey, a fold-away hitch rack
>> sounds like the best solution.
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind
>>> of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
>>> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
>>> direction.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Anne Paulson]

Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.

It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
nuisance.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a
> vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift the
> bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
> anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide.
> Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
>> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and
>> drive to the park.
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
>>> kids/stuff in there?
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

 Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind
 of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
 Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
 direction.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:

 Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in
 your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following -
 because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible
 philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
 where
 I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, here's
 what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride.
 Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can you
 park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery
 shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
 of
 the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever
 reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part
 of the way, park and then ride.

 It's still biking and better than notbiking!
 Joan

 On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:

 Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear
 mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized
 Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant
 to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us
 became road kill, instead!

 Ha!
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

Guess who got a new hitch on her van?!?!? MEEE!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> 
> Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
> bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
> transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
> car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
> 
> It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
> it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
> can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
> the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
> therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
> trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
> nuisance.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
>> Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a
>> vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift the
>> bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
>> anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide.
>> Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
>>> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and
>>> drive to the park.
>>> 
 On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
 
 I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 
 Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
 kids/stuff in there?
 
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> 
> Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind
> of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
> Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
> direction.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
> 
> Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in
> your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following 
> -
> because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible
> philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
> where
> I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
> here's
> what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride.
> Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can you
> park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery
> shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part 
> of
> the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever
> reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive 
> part
> of the way, park and then ride.
> 
> It's still biking and better than notbiking!
> Joan
> 
> On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
> 
> Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear
> mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized
> Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I 
> meant
> to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us
> became road kill, instead!
> 
> Ha!
> Leah
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

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You don't mess around!

You have some options for 
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http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/4296984580.html



On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:09:32 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Guess who got a new hitch on her van?!?!? MEEE! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Anne Paulson 
> > > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We 
> > bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our 
> > transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the 
> > car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. 
> > 
> > It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put 
> > it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which 
> > can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in 
> > the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and 
> > therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is 
> > trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a 
> > nuisance. 
> > 
> >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer 
> >> > 
> wrote: 
> >> Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside 
> a 
> >> vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift 
> the 
> >> bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange 
> >> anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
> collide. 
> >> Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. 
> >> 
> >> Michael 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV 
> >>> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the 
> back and 
> >>> drive to the park. 
> >>> 
>  On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
>  
>  I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? 
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone 
>  
>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote: 
>  
>  Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much 
>  kids/stuff in there? 
>  
> > On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
> > 
> > Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what 
> kind 
> > of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be 
> perusing 
> > Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
> > direction. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> > On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made 
> in 
> > your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the 
> following - 
> > because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as 
> possible 
> > philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a 
> place where 
> > I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
> here's 
> > what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
> ride. 
> > Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
> you 
> > park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
> > shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only 
> part of 
> > the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for 
> whatever 
> > reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they 
> drive part 
> > of the way, park and then ride. 
> > 
> > It's still biking and better than notbiking! 
> > Joan 
> > 
> > On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote: 
> > 
> > Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and 
> clear 
> > mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch 
> Specialized 
> > Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) 
> I meant 
> > to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of 
> us 
> > became road kill, instead! 
> > 
> > Ha! 
> > Leah 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

You don't mess around, either! I looked at all the links you bird dogged for me 
(THANKS) and am trying to figure out what style rack is best.

I stopped at The Broken Spoke bike shop and they had a Hollywood brand 
tray-style rack that would take three bikes. Price was $175. 

Who wants to chime in and tell me what to get? My Betty does have fenders and 
the Big Nitto rack with the large Wald in front. I like the tray-style, but am 
still very ignorant of the options...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> You don't mess around!
> 
> You have some options for used: 
> http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/search/bia?zoomToPosting=&catAbb=bia&query=hitch&minAsk=&maxAsk=&srchType=T&excats=
>  
> 
> http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/4304905024.html
> 
> http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/4281666202.html
> 
> http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/4218711981.html
> 
> http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/4296984580.html
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:09:32 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>> Guess who got a new hitch on her van?!?!? MEEE! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Anne Paulson  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We 
>> > bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our 
>> > transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the 
>> > car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. 
>> > 
>> > It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put 
>> > it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which 
>> > can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in 
>> > the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and 
>> > therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is 
>> > trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a 
>> > nuisance. 
>> > 
>> >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  
>> >> wrote: 
>> >> Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a 
>> >> vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift 
>> >> the 
>> >> bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange 
>> >> anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
>> >> collide. 
>> >> Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. 
>> >> 
>> >> Michael 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV 
>> >>> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back 
>> >>> and 
>> >>> drive to the park. 
>> >>> 
>>  On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
>>  
>>  I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? 
>>  
>>  Sent from my iPhone 
>>  
>>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote: 
>>  
>>  Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much 
>>  kids/stuff in there? 
>>  
>> > On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind 
>> > of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing 
>> > Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right 
>> > direction. 
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in 
>> > your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the 
>> > following - 
>> > because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible 
>> > philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place 
>> > where 
>> > I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
>> > here's 
>> > what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>> > ride. 
>> > Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
>> > you 
>> > park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery 
>> > shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only 
>> > part of 
>> > the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for 
>> > whatever 
>> > reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive 
>> > part 
>> > of the way, park and then ride. 
>> > 
>> > It's still biking and better than notbiking! 
>> > Joan 
>> > 
>> > On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear 
>> > mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized 
>> > Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me 

Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Tim Gavin]

The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the
paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which
doesn't work well with fenders.

The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead.
 You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have
to ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it
probably will).

But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my
eyes open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine
for now.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[cyclotourist]

Always happy to assist someone with Craigslist!

The tray ones are REALLY big. They take up a lot more space and protrude a
lot further than the hanging kind. They may also take a 2" receiver vs. the
1.25" the hanging ones have. Many people don't like the hanging kind as the
bikes can bump into each and swap paint. It's something you just have to be
aware of and compensate for (use padding). With a Betty and many kid bikes,
you'll also need an adapter to hang the bike. An extra expense you need to
be prepared for. I have the hanging kind for four bikes and it take a bit
of practice to get four disparate bikes on their (29er, Glorius, 24" MTB,
Piccolo) but can be done and carries them fine.

So just like with all things biking (seats, tires, stem length, frame size)
there is a learning curve and you probably won't nail it the first time. So
if you can buy a good one used and see how it meets your needs. You can
re-sell it w/out losing too much $$$ in the process and in the process
figure out what works and doesn't.

BTW, there are these good people that are a resource as well:
http://www.mountainbikelasvegas.com/ Don't be afraid to get Betty dirty!!!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tim Gavin
wrote:

> The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the
> paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which
> doesn't work well with fenders.
>
> The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead.
>  You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have
> to ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it
> probably will).
>
> But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my
> eyes open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine
> for now.
>
> Tim
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

Well, no one will accuse me of being patient. I have a hitch on the van and a 
rack in a box, ready for installation. I'm going back to CA for the first time 
since moving, and we are taking the bikes. In a mad rush, I started the 
research and pressured U-Haul into hitching me up. The first LBS I hit quoted 
me the price of their Hollywood tray rack. After looking at Cyclotourist's 
Craigslist links, I realized that the bike shop was giving me a smoking deal. 
Turns out they misquoted me, but they decided it was their mistake and  I'm the 
proud new owner of a $250 rack - that cost me $175! (I would have never held 
them to it; it was their idea.)

It is a 2 biker, but I decided the van will have room for the two boys' bikes 
and we really just need his and mine mounted. At this price, I can sell it 
without guilt if we need the 4 bike rack. It gets nice reviews on Amazon. 

http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Racks-HR1000-Platform-Receiver/dp/B000QJ8C3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Tomorrow will find me out in the garage, trying to locate and figure out how to 
use tools. Because, well, impatient...

Seriously, thanks to everyone; you made this a lot of fun and very motivating. 
One might say it's YOUR fault I'm $400 poorer!


On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:12 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Always happy to assist someone with Craigslist!
> 
> The tray ones are REALLY big. They take up a lot more space and protrude a 
> lot further than the hanging kind. They may also take a 2" receiver vs. the 
> 1.25" the hanging ones have. Many people don't like the hanging kind as the 
> bikes can bump into each and swap paint. It's something you just have to be 
> aware of and compensate for (use padding). With a Betty and many kid bikes, 
> you'll also need an adapter to hang the bike. An extra expense you need to be 
> prepared for. I have the hanging kind for four bikes and it take a bit of 
> practice to get four disparate bikes on their (29er, Glorius, 24" MTB, 
> Piccolo) but can be done and carries them fine.
> 
> So just like with all things biking (seats, tires, stem length, frame size) 
> there is a learning curve and you probably won't nail it the first time. So 
> if you can buy a good one used and see how it meets your needs. You can 
> re-sell it w/out losing too much $$$ in the process and in the process figure 
> out what works and doesn't.
> 
> BTW, there are these good people that are a resource as well: 
> http://www.mountainbikelasvegas.com/ Don't be afraid to get Betty dirty!!!
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tim Gavin  
> wrote:
> The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the 
> paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which 
> doesn't work well with fenders.  
> 
> The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead.  
> You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have to 
> ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it 
> probably will). 
> 
> But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my eyes 
> open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine for now.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[cyclotourist]

Adventure awaits!

Cheers,
David

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

> Well, no one will accuse me of being patient. I have a hitch on the van
> and a rack in a box, ready for installation. I'm going back to CA for the
> first time since moving, and we are taking the bikes. In a mad rush, I
> started the research and pressured U-Haul into hitching me up. The first
> LBS I hit quoted me the price of their Hollywood tray rack. After looking
> at Cyclotourist's Craigslist links, I realized that the bike shop was
> giving me a smoking deal. Turns out they misquoted me, but they decided it
> was their mistake and  I'm the proud new owner of a $250 rack - that cost
> me $175! (I would have never held them to it; it was their idea.)
>
> It is a 2 biker, but I decided the van will have room for the two boys'
> bikes and we really just need his and mine mounted. At this price, I can
> sell it without guilt if we need the 4 bike rack. It gets nice reviews on
> Amazon.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Racks-HR1000-Platform-Receiver/dp/B000QJ8C3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
>
> Tomorrow will find me out in the garage, trying to locate and figure out
> how to use tools. Because, well, impatient...
>
> Seriously, thanks to everyone; you made this a lot of fun and very
> motivating. One might say it's YOUR fault I'm $400 poorer!
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:12 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> Always happy to assist someone with Craigslist!
>
> The tray ones are REALLY big. They take up a lot more space and protrude a
> lot further than the hanging kind. They may also take a 2" receiver vs. the
> 1.25" the hanging ones have. Many people don't like the hanging kind as the
> bikes can bump into each and swap paint. It's something you just have to be
> aware of and compensate for (use padding). With a Betty and many kid bikes,
> you'll also need an adapter to hang the bike. An extra expense you need to
> be prepared for. I have the hanging kind for four bikes and it take a bit
> of practice to get four disparate bikes on their (29er, Glorius, 24" MTB,
> Piccolo) but can be done and carries them fine.
>
> So just like with all things biking (seats, tires, stem length, frame
> size) there is a learning curve and you probably won't nail it the first
> time. So if you can buy a good one used and see how it meets your needs.
> You can re-sell it w/out losing too much $$$ in the process and in the
> process figure out what works and doesn't.
>
> BTW, there are these good people that are a resource as well:
> http://www.mountainbikelasvegas.com/ Don't be afraid to get Betty dirty!!!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
>> The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the
>> paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which
>> doesn't work well with fenders.
>>
>> The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead.
>>  You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have
>> to ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it
>> probably will).
>>
>> But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my
>> eyes open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine
>> for now.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Pondero]

This consistent conquering of obstacles is pure inspiration.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Minh]

ha! $400 will be money well spent if it means you can drive the bike to the 
bottom of the hill, use it to run errands or take a ride everyday, it will 
be pennies per use in no time.  i'm stuck in the middle of winter and have 
not been on the bike in a few weeks, cranky for sure!

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Joe Bernard]

Wow..that's some impressive "ask a question, get answers and pick one" 
progress. And now, fun with tools!
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:01:41 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

> Well, no one will accuse me of being patient. I have a hitch on the van 
> and a rack in a box, ready for installation. I'm going back to CA for the 
> first time since moving, and we are taking the bikes. In a mad rush, I 
> started the research and pressured U-Haul into hitching me up. The first 
> LBS I hit quoted me the price of their Hollywood tray rack. After looking 
> at Cyclotourist's Craigslist links, I realized that the bike shop was 
> giving me a smoking deal. Turns out they misquoted me, but they decided it 
> was their mistake and  I'm the proud new owner of a $250 rack - that cost 
> me $175! (I would have never held them to it; it was their idea.)
>
> It is a 2 biker, but I decided the van will have room for the two boys' 
> bikes and we really just need his and mine mounted. At this price, I can 
> sell it without guilt if we need the 4 bike rack. It gets nice reviews on 
> Amazon. 
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Racks-HR1000-Platform-Receiver/dp/B000QJ8C3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
>
> Tomorrow will find me out in the garage, trying to locate and figure out 
> how to use tools. Because, well, impatient...
>
> Seriously, thanks to everyone; you made this a lot of fun and very 
> motivating. One might say it's YOUR fault I'm $400 poorer!
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:12 PM, cyclotourist > 
> wrote:
>
> Always happy to assist someone with Craigslist!
>
> The tray ones are REALLY big. They take up a lot more space and protrude a 
> lot further than the hanging kind. They may also take a 2" receiver vs. the 
> 1.25" the hanging ones have. Many people don't like the hanging kind as the 
> bikes can bump into each and swap paint. It's something you just have to be 
> aware of and compensate for (use padding). With a Betty and many kid bikes, 
> you'll also need an adapter to hang the bike. An extra expense you need to 
> be prepared for. I have the hanging kind for four bikes and it take a bit 
> of practice to get four disparate bikes on their (29er, Glorius, 24" MTB, 
> Piccolo) but can be done and carries them fine.
>
> So just like with all things biking (seats, tires, stem length, frame 
> size) there is a learning curve and you probably won't nail it the first 
> time. So if you can buy a good one used and see how it meets your needs. 
> You can re-sell it w/out losing too much $$$ in the process and in the 
> process figure out what works and doesn't.
>
> BTW, there are these good people that are a resource as well: 
> http://www.mountainbikelasvegas.com/ Don't be afraid to get Betty dirty!!!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tim Gavin 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the 
>> paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which 
>> doesn't work well with fenders.  
>>
>> The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead. 
>>  You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have 
>> to ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it 
>> probably will). 
>>
>> But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my 
>> eyes open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine 
>> for now.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[dougP]

This group lives to encourage bicycle adventures.  Great example of 
collective wisdom.

dougP

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:28:05 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wow..that's some impressive "ask a question, get answers and pick one" 
> progress. And now, fun with tools!
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:01:41 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> Well, no one will accuse me of being patient. I have a hitch on the van 
>> and a rack in a box, ready for installation. I'm going back to CA for the 
>> first time since moving, and we are taking the bikes. In a mad rush, I 
>> started the research and pressured U-Haul into hitching me up. The first 
>> LBS I hit quoted me the price of their Hollywood tray rack. After looking 
>> at Cyclotourist's Craigslist links, I realized that the bike shop was 
>> giving me a smoking deal. Turns out they misquoted me, but they decided it 
>> was their mistake and  I'm the proud new owner of a $250 rack - that cost 
>> me $175! (I would have never held them to it; it was their idea.)
>>
>> It is a 2 biker, but I decided the van will have room for the two boys' 
>> bikes and we really just need his and mine mounted. At this price, I can 
>> sell it without guilt if we need the 4 bike rack. It gets nice reviews on 
>> Amazon. 
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Racks-HR1000-Platform-Receiver/dp/B000QJ8C3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
>>
>> Tomorrow will find me out in the garage, trying to locate and figure out 
>> how to use tools. Because, well, impatient...
>>
>> Seriously, thanks to everyone; you made this a lot of fun and very 
>> motivating. One might say it's YOUR fault I'm $400 poorer!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:12 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>
>> Always happy to assist someone with Craigslist!
>>
>> The tray ones are REALLY big. They take up a lot more space and protrude 
>> a lot further than the hanging kind. They may also take a 2" receiver vs. 
>> the 1.25" the hanging ones have. Many people don't like the hanging kind as 
>> the bikes can bump into each and swap paint. It's something you just have 
>> to be aware of and compensate for (use padding). With a Betty and many kid 
>> bikes, you'll also need an adapter to hang the bike. An extra expense you 
>> need to be prepared for. I have the hanging kind for four bikes and it take 
>> a bit of practice to get four disparate bikes on their (29er, Glorius, 24" 
>> MTB, Piccolo) but can be done and carries them fine.
>>
>> So just like with all things biking (seats, tires, stem length, frame 
>> size) there is a learning curve and you probably won't nail it the first 
>> time. So if you can buy a good one used and see how it meets your needs. 
>> You can re-sell it w/out losing too much $$$ in the process and in the 
>> process figure out what works and doesn't.
>>
>> BTW, there are these good people that are a resource as well: 
>> http://www.mountainbikelasvegas.com/ Don't be afraid to get Betty 
>> dirty!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tim Gavin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The tray style always seems the most secure, and puts less stress on the 
>>> paint.  However, some tray ones have an arm that clamps the wheel, which 
>>> doesn't work well with fenders.  
>>>
>>> The one Cyclotourist linked (the last one) clamps on the frame instead. 
>>>  You'd want to pad that contact point to prevent scratches.  And you'd have 
>>> to ensure that the clamp would work fine on Betty's step-through frame (it 
>>> probably will). 
>>>
>>> But that's the style I'd get, or the Holywood you mentioned.  I have my 
>>> eyes open for a tray rack in my area (Iowa), but my pickup bed works fine 
>>> for now.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Steven Frederick]

My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the
extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
> bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
> transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
> car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
>
> It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
> it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
> can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
> the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
> therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
> trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
> nuisance.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer 
> wrote:
> > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a
> > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift
> the
> > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
> > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will
> collide.
> > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
> >>
> >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
> >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the
> back and
> >> drive to the park.
> >>
> >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
> >>> kids/stuff in there?
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> 
>  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind
>  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
>  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
>  direction.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
> 
>  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in
>  your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the
> following -
>  because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible
>  philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a
> place where
>  I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said,
> here's
>  what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to
> ride.
>  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can
> you
>  park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery
>  shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only
> part of
>  the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for
> whatever
>  reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they
> drive part
>  of the way, park and then ride.
> 
>  It's still biking and better than notbiking!
>  Joan
> 
>  On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
> 
>  Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear
>  mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized
>  Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I
> meant
>  to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of
> us
>  became road kill, instead!
> 
>  Ha!
>  Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Ron Mc]

For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - 
SoftRide tailgate pad


  

it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck



$90 online.  
trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too




On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:
>
> My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the 
> extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.  
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
>> bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
>> transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
>> car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
>>
>> It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
>> it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
>> can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
>> the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
>> therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
>> trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
>> nuisance.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside 
>> a
>> > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift 
>> the
>> > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
>> > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
>> collide.
>> > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
>> >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the 
>> back and
>> >> drive to the park.
>> >>
>> >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
>> >>> kids/stuff in there?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>> 
>>  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what 
>> kind
>>  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
>>  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
>>  direction.
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>> 
>>  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made 
>> in
>>  your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the 
>> following -
>>  because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible
>>  philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a 
>> place where
>>  I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, 
>> here's
>>  what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>> ride.
>>  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can 
>> you
>>  park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery
>>  shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only 
>> part of
>>  the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for 
>> whatever
>>  reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they 
>> drive part
>>  of the way, park and then ride.
>> 
>>  It's still biking and better than notbiking!
>>  Joan
>> 
>>  On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote:
>> 
>>  Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and 
>> clear
>>  mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized
>>  Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) 
>> I meant
>>  to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of 
>> us
>>  became road kill, instead!
>> 
>>  Ha!
>>  Leah
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Montclair BobbyB]

+1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, 
cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think 
every car should have one.

But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!!  For 
now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all 
kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch)

Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd 
strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack.  It weighs about 12 lbs (which is 
super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has 
wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack 
I've owned.  BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually 
haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... 

Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!!


On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - 
> SoftRide tailgate pad
>
>
> 
>   
>
> it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck
>
>
> 
>
> $90 online.  
> trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:
>>
>> My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the 
>> extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.  
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>>> Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
>>> bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
>>> transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
>>> car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
>>>
>>> It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
>>> it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
>>> can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
>>> the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
>>> therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
>>> trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
>>> nuisance.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  
>>> wrote:
>>> > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it 
>>> inside a
>>> > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just 
>>> lift the
>>> > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
>>> > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
>>> collide.
>>> > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
>>> >
>>> > Michael
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
>>> >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the 
>>> back and
>>> >> drive to the park.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
>>> >>> kids/stuff in there?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what 
>>> kind
>>>  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be 
>>> perusing
>>>  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
>>>  direction.
>>> 
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made 
>>> in
>>>  your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the 
>>> following -
>>>  because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as 
>>> possible
>>>  philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a 
>>> place where
>>>  I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that 
>>> said, here's
>>>  what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to 
>>> ride.
>>>  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride! 
>>>  Can you
>>>  park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery
>>>  shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for 
>>> only part of
>>>  the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for 
>>> whatever
>>>  reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they 
>>> drive part
>>>  of the

Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[cyclotourist]

Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs.
Good for them!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack,
> cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think
> every car should have one.
>
> But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!!  For
> now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all
> kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch)
>
> Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd
> strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack.  It weighs about 12 lbs (which is
> super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has
> wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack
> I've owned.  BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually
> haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)...
>
> Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!!
>
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option -
>> SoftRide tailgate pad
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> $90 online.
>> trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:
>>>
>>> My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the
>>> extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
 Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
 bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
 transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
 car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.

 It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
 it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
 can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
 the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
 therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
 trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
 nuisance.

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer 
 wrote:
 > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it
 inside a
 > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just
 lift the
 > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
 > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will
 collide.
 > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
 >
 > Michael
 >
 >
 > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
 >>
 >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big
 SUV
 >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the
 back and
 >> drive to the park.
 >>
 >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
 >>>
 >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
 >>> kids/stuff in there?
 >>>
 >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
 
  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what
 kind
  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be
 perusing
  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
  direction.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel 
 wrote:
 
  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has
 made in
  your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the
 following -
  because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as
 possible
  philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a
 place where
  I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that
 said, here's
  what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place
 to ride.
  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!
  Can you
  park your car somewh

Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leah Peterson]

Wow, Montclairbobbyb. If money was no object THAT is the company I'd get it 
from! I just looked them up. The NV rack would be perfect. In fact, I'm 
remembering this for when I need the 4 bike system. I think I have to have it!

I began assembly with the crumby instruction manual yesterday. I didn't get 
very far - my concentration was constantly broken as my small son was 
"helping." He gave up on that rather quickly, found his skateboard and 
threatened to be smote by passing cars as he gleefully zoomed down our steep 
driveway and into the street. The time came to get my older son from school and 
then the time was gone. My husband promises to give me a hand tonight; your 
prayers would not be wasted on us - this is the man who believes in "good 
enough" concerning assembly of stuff. Then there is this famous line of his: 
"Babe! The instructions say it will take 25 steps, but I did it in 18! And 
look! I even have parts left over!"



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
> 
> +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, cargo 
> platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think every car 
> should have one.
> 
> But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!!  For 
> now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all kinds 
> of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch)
> 
> Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd 
> strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack.  It weighs about 12 lbs (which is 
> super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has 
> wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack 
> I've owned.  BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually haul 
> a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... 
> 
> Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!!
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>> For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - 
>> SoftRide tailgate pad
>> 
>> 
>> it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> $90 online.  
>> 
>> trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:
>>> My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the 
>>> extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
 Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
 bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
 transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
 car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
 
 It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
 it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
 can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
 the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
 therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
 trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
 nuisance.
 
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
 > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a
 > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just lift 
 > the
 > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
 > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
 > collide.
 > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
 >
 > Michael
 >
 >
 > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
 >>
 >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV
 >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the 
 >> back and
 >> drive to the park.
 >>
 >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
 >>>
 >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
 >>> kids/stuff in there?
 >>>
 >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
 
  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind
  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing
  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right
  direction.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
 
  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in
>

Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Leslie]

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. 
> Good for them!
>


ROTFL!!!   There's a particular Firespray that I'd like to have.



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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Liesl]

+1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Steven Frederick]

It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the
revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender.  The van version
has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and
gets around 30mpg hwy.

http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/


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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Montclair BobbyB]

Make no mistake, David... Nothing in the Galaxy comes close to the Beta... 
It was worth the 3 month wait... 

BB

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. 
> Good for them!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, 
>> cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think 
>> every car should have one.
>>
>> But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!!  For 
>> now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all 
>> kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch)
>>
>> Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd 
>> strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack.  It weighs about 12 lbs (which is 
>> super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has 
>> wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack 
>> I've owned.  BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually 
>> haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... 
>>
>> Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - 
>>> SoftRide tailgate pad
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>> it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> $90 online.  
>>> trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:

 My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the 
 extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them.  


 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We
> bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our
> transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the
> car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort.
>
> It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put
> it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which
> can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in
> the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and
> therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is
> trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a
> nuisance.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer  
> wrote:
> > Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it 
> inside a
> > vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats.  Just 
> lift the
> > bike onto the rack & latch the straps.  You don't need to rearrange
> > anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will 
> collide.
> > Many models come with built in locks to use when needed.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
> >>
> >> I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big 
> SUV
> >> once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the 
> back and
> >> drive to the park.
> >>
> >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much
> >>> kids/stuff in there?
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> 
>  Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what 
> kind
>  of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be 
> perusing
>  Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the 
> right
>  direction.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel  
> wrote:
> 
>  Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has 
> made in
>  your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the 
> following -
>  because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as 
> possible
>  p

Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Montclair BobbyB]

Actually this is all about bike transport... and vehicles like the Transit 
do play a critical role... I hope Ford doesn't fuddle with it too much... 
longer wheelbase, yes, more power, yes... more mass-appeal and trim 
options?... uh uh...I hope not.  Leave that 'commercial/utility' look 
alone, I say...   

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:50:09 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote:
>
> It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the 
> revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender.  The van version 
> has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and 
> gets around 30mpg hwy.
>
> http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Liesl >wrote:
>
>> +1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[Steven Frederick]

The new one looks a bit sleeker and runs on and updated (Focus) chassis,
but has plenty of space for bikes and camping gear...

"The long-wheelbase van features 130.6 cu. ft. of cargo space and can
accommodate items up to seven feet long, five feet wide and nearly four
feet tall."




On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> Actually this is all about bike transport... and vehicles like the Transit
> do play a critical role... I hope Ford doesn't fuddle with it too much...
> longer wheelbase, yes, more power, yes... more mass-appeal and trim
> options?... uh uh...I hope not.  Leave that 'commercial/utility' look
> alone, I say...
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:50:09 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote:
>>
>> It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the
>> revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender.  The van version
>> has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and
>> gets around 30mpg hwy.
>>
>> http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Liesl  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I'm partial to Corellian products. Some may consider them antiquated 
or "pieces of junk," but just like Rivendells, they are thoughtfully 
designed and infintely uprgradeable. 

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:37:28 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. 
>> Good for them!
>>
>
>
> ROTFL!!!   There's a particular Firespray that I'd like to have. 
>
>
>
>
> -L
>  
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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

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Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine.  I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy.  I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house.  Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride.  Heresy, I know.  But at least you would be getting out to ride!  Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car?  Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion.  I know people who, for whatever reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park and then ride.  It's still biking and better than notbiking!Joan  On 01/27/14, LeahFoy wrote: Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us became road kill, instead! Ha! Leah-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



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