Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
I'm afraid I have to agree with the person who said that having a nice bike makes it easier or inviting to just add more bikes of a higher level. I enjoy the heck out of my bikes because I have found that quality bikes just perform better and have a wonderful feel to them. Kind of the you get what you pay for idea. On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 12/12/2016 10:20 PM, eflayer wrote: > > Someone once said variety is the spice of life. Buying and holding a > > single bike does not align with that philosophy. I've owned many many > > fine bikes over the last 15 years and have enjoyed the adventure of > > learning about and riding a variety of styles, materials, and price > > points. My favorite of the 35 or so is my custom ti made in a far away > > eastern foreign land. > > On the contrary: adding 5 others, all different and excellent in their > variously different ways, is exactly the way to add variety and spice to > life! > > You've owned 35 bikes in 15 years? OMG! I'll bet that was expensive! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/12/2016 10:20 PM, eflayer wrote: Someone once said variety is the spice of life. Buying and holding a single bike does not align with that philosophy. I've owned many many fine bikes over the last 15 years and have enjoyed the adventure of learning about and riding a variety of styles, materials, and price points. My favorite of the 35 or so is my custom ti made in a far away eastern foreign land. On the contrary: adding 5 others, all different and excellent in their variously different ways, is exactly the way to add variety and spice to life! You've owned 35 bikes in 15 years? OMG! I'll bet that was expensive! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/13/2016 06:14 AM, ascpgh wrote: It's fun to realize how little some of the other stuff matters when the frame and fork check off all of your needs and wants, every ride. RIv's staff bikes' and the amount of beausage look like advertising of just how good the frame and fork are. My wife is annually frustrated by my response when she asks if "this is a new bike year?" Is this a matter of ? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
It's fun to realize how little some of the other stuff matters when the frame and fork check off all of your needs and wants, every ride. RIv's staff bikes' and the amount of beausage look like advertising of just how good the frame and fork are. My wife is annually frustrated by my response when she asks if "this is a new bike year?" Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 9:57:48 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 12/12/2016 07:15 PM, Will wrote: > > I'll never forget my wife's first comment about my Atlantis. She > > said... "oh my god... it's f***king beautiful". > > > > And the best part is, you keep feeling that, year after year. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
Thumbs up on that, Steve! Cheers Bill in Roswell, GA On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 4:43:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: > > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the > really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. > Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I will plunk down the > money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first > place. > > Also, if you really love something, chances are others will too, so > that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate > in value while you use it! $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years > which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! > > > > The way you really win is to stay with it. Over a 10 or 20 year > ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes > reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant > churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple > of years. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/12/2016 07:15 PM, Will wrote: I'll never forget my wife's first comment about my Atlantis. She said... "oh my god... it's f***king beautiful". And the best part is, you keep feeling that, year after year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
That's great and all said and done unless you're like me and you essentially just raised the bar on what a bike costs, and then 2 or 3 more of those later Thankfully rivendell's hold a lot of their value and a few mistakes (bikes I didn't like as much as I thought) didn't cost my too much in the end. I consider it a rental fee :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/12/2016 05:33 PM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I don't know who said it first: "Buy the best, cry once." Of course, a caveat, "best" is subjective. I have found that statement to be true for many things: hand tools, hiking/camping gear and clothing, eye and ear protection, my Rivendell, and a lot more items I will remember once I post this. I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate for a lot of other things, just to be clear. Certainly not a fan of overspending for the most part. "Best" can be completely objective, too: you just need criteria and a way to measure. Cost-effective is one way to measure "best". Most expensive != "best", best is best but it can also be the most expensive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/12/2016 05:45 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote: very very true...and when you consider that if you commute by bike ...think of busfare and gas you're not spending Never mind bus fare, think of the $12-15 (at least, that's what it was at least 10 years ago!) daily car parking fee. That adds up fast. I relied on that when I bought a top of the line touring bike for my commuter; I figure I paid for the bike in savings in about a year and a half. but if it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride it then it's a great investment No, *and* it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride, so it is doubly a great investment! On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I will plunk down the money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place. > Also, if you really love something, chances are others will too, so that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in value while you use it! $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! > The way you really win is to stay with it. Over a 10 or 20 year ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple of years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
I don't know who said it first: "Buy the best, cry once." Of course, a caveat, "best" is subjective. I have found that statement to be true for many things: hand tools, hiking/camping gear and clothing, eye and ear protection, my Rivendell, and a lot more items I will remember once I post this. I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate for a lot of other things, just to be clear. Certainly not a fan of overspending for the most part. Beaverton Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
very very true...and when you consider that if you commute by bike ...think of busfare and gas you're not spending but if it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride it then it's a great investment On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: > > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the > really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. > Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I will plunk down the > money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first > place. > > Also, if you really love something, chances are others will too, so > that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate > in value while you use it! $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years > which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! > > > > The way you really win is to stay with it. Over a 10 or 20 year > ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes > reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant > churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple > of years. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I will plunk down the money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place. Also, if you really love something, chances are others will too, so that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in value while you use it! $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! The way you really win is to stay with it. Over a 10 or 20 year ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple of years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?
Not far from what Grant himself said a couple of decades ago and quoted here: http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2010/08/for-love-of-good-bike.html Regards Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:29 PM, masmojowrote: > > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really > expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, > I am still not satisfied and eventually I will plunk down the money to get > what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place. > Also, if you really love something, chances are others will too, so that > thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in > value while you use it! $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which > do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.