Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[Luis Garcia]

Thank you Bill for the welcome!  I posted photos of my Homer with details in 
this thread.  Looking forward to participating on this list!


Luis

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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[esoterica etc]

Here, here! Welcome to the group and kudos on the intro. Now I second Bill’s 
request: show us some pics!

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 20:58, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's a helluva first post, Luis!  Please don't make it your last.  Most 
> importantly, let's see photos of your Homer build!
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM UTC-8, Luis Garcia wrote:
>> Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is my 
>> first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very interesting.  
>> This past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT AHH.  I first 
>> learned about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I got back into 
>> cycling after laying off for a few short years.  At that time, I was ready 
>> to shed the racer wannabe mentality that I had been holding onto over many 
>> years.  Since then, I have done lots of learning, lots of experimenting with 
>> different types of bikes, and eventually determined that sport tourers were 
>> the bikes for me.  I currently own an '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I 
>> consider these my "poor man's Homers" (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When 
>> Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT Homers with super long chainstays, 
>> different geometry, and super tall head tubes,  I was aghast. I thought my 
>> benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  At the time, the only redeeming 
>> quality I could see was the lower price of entry into the world of 
>> Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read more.  I became convinced 
>> that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as good as the original Homer, 
>> but good enough for me. This past spring when Riv offered 10% off on larger 
>> sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one.  Man oh man, I am so glad that I 
>> pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden an original Homer.  The closest 
>> bikes to an original Homer I have ridden are my aforementioned Treks.  For 
>> me, there is no comparison.  I now see the new Homers as the current state 
>> of the art for non-racing road bike design.  Yes, the new Homers look 
>> different.  Yes, several people have called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  
>> They haven't got a clue. I rarely ride any of my other bikes now, and I do 
>> mean rarely.  I love my MIT Homer.  Hope this helps.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[Bill Lindsay]

That's a helluva first post, Luis!  Please don't make it your last.  Most 
importantly, let's see photos of your Homer build!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM UTC-8, Luis Garcia wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is 
> my first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very 
> interesting.  This past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT 
> AHH.  I first learned about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I 
> got back into cycling after laying off for a few short years.  At that 
> time, I was ready to shed the racer wannabe mentality that I had been 
> holding onto over many years.  Since then, I have done lots of learning, 
> lots of experimenting with different types of bikes, and eventually 
> determined that sport tourers were the bikes for me.  I currently own an 
> '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I consider these my "poor man's Homers" 
> (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT Homers 
> with super long chainstays, different geometry, and super tall head tubes, 
>  I was aghast. I thought my benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  At 
> the time, the only redeeming quality I could see was the lower price of 
> entry into the world of Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read 
> more.  I became convinced that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as 
> good as the original Homer, but good enough for me. This past spring when 
> Riv offered 10% off on larger sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one. 
>  Man oh man, I am so glad that I pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden 
> an original Homer.  The closest bikes to an original Homer I have ridden 
> are my aforementioned Treks.  For me, there is no comparison.  I now see 
> the new Homers as the current state of the art for non-racing road bike 
> design.  Yes, the new Homers look different.  Yes, several people have 
> called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  They haven't got a clue. I rarely 
> ride any of my other bikes now, and I do mean rarely.  I love my MIT Homer. 
>  Hope this helps. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[Luis Garcia]

Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is my 
first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very interesting.  This 
past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT AHH.  I first learned 
about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I got back into cycling after 
laying off for a few short years.  At that time, I was ready to shed the racer 
wannabe mentality that I had been holding onto over many years.  Since then, I 
have done lots of learning, lots of experimenting with different types of 
bikes, and eventually determined that sport tourers were the bikes for me.  I 
currently own an '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I consider these my "poor 
man's Homers" (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT 
Homers with super long chainstays, different geometry, and super tall head 
tubes,  I was aghast. I thought my benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  
At the time, the only redeeming quality I could see was the lower price of 
entry into the world of Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read more.  
I became convinced that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as good as the 
original Homer, but good enough for me. This past spring when Riv offered 10% 
off on larger sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one.  Man oh man, I am so 
glad that I pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden an original Homer.  The 
closest bikes to an original Homer I have ridden are my aforementioned Treks.  
For me, there is no comparison.  I now see the new Homers as the current state 
of the art for non-racing road bike design.  Yes, the new Homers look 
different.  Yes, several people have called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  They 
haven't got a clue. I rarely ride any of my other bikes now, and I do mean 
rarely.  I love my MIT Homer.  Hope this helps. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I have a 79.5 cm PBH, so I can relate from a height standpoint.  I have a
54 cm 1st generation Homer.  It is a wonderful bike, no doubt, but since
then I've gotten my 52.5 cm custom with long chainstays.  When I am riding
on the road, the long chainstays just add much more stability without
affecting the mobility/liveliness of the ride at all.  In fact, I find
myself going down S. Park (infamous for the Strava downhill death) and I am
a bit scared with my Homer because it is not as stable as my custom.  I
think it just tracks better on turns too, so if you like twisty descents,
then having the long chainstays helps me.  You might wonder if there's
something special about my custom bike vs the Homer.  I haven't ridden the
new AHH, but rode the new Atlantis and it's wonderful.  I rode the blue
Rosco Bubbe road model --that was a very lively and responsive bike that I
rode; Grant based my custom chainstays on my appreciation of the handling
of that bike.  I would guess that the AHH is designed similarly to the road
Rosco models.

With that said, Rivendell bikes tend to be very sensitive to weight shifts,
rather than sensitive to steering changes.  If you appreciate the Rivendell
responsiveness to weight shifts, then I'm sure you will love the new AHH.

Toshi


On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 11:07 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Interesting history, j.schwartz! And, unrelated to this topic, hearing
> multiple accounts now of people keeping their SH's long term while other
> models come and go has been reinforcing my decision to get one.
>
> I am coming from the low-trail randonneur bike as my primary interest over
> the past 8 or 10 years, where level top tubes are an integral part of the
> aesthetic. They are usually tall for their length to keep the head tubes
> long enough. The sloping TT Riv's look beautiful to me though, and the SH
> is basically perfect from a visual standpoint.
>
> I never meant for this topic to be about questioning the motives of the
> new geometry, I just wanted to hear from those who've ridden both to see if
> my preconceptions are indeed based on myths!  Sounds like it's more
> complicated than that, and is really a personal thing.
>
> On Sunday, 17 November 2019 06:16:36 UTC-8, j.schwartz wrote:
>>
>> I don't have much to say on ride characteristics bc I've never ridden an
>> AHH, but...as far as aesthetic design goes, I have an interesting take.
>> I purchased my first Riv in late 2008.  It was the first gen SH , the
>> green and gold one.
>> I think it was their first "expanded" geo bike.  I was really visually
>> turned off on upsloping tube but at about half the cost of the AHH (and the
>> fact that it had cantis), it made more sense for me to get that one.
>> Fast forward to over 10 years later and now my bike design eye has
>> totally shifted. I find horizontal top tubes unattractive because I know
>> they'd be more uncomfortable for my riding style.
>> I still have that SH and have had other Riv's come and go.  I also have a
>> silver 55 Appaloosa which in many ways is an evolved SH and I think both
>> bikes with their 6º (or so) up slope look "correct" and beautiful.
>>
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