Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Alex DeNooyer]

That sounds awesome, I’ll add that to my list. I appreciate it Josh! I was just planning to bike around in the city but having some dedicated bike trails to cruise on will be great.On Jul 19, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, I do think you could get to the Gaston section of the trial, from I-69, in about 10-15 minutes. That's the way I got there for the first ride. Gaston to Losantville is pretty nice. The Monon trail in Indianapolis is a nice ride. More populated and less rural, obviously, but it's a nice trail that runs about 26 miles from downtown Indy up to Sheridan. When you get back to the southern end you can pop into the Garage food hall for some food and drink. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:54:18 PM UTC-4 Al wrote:Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going through Muncie.Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Brokebike, I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore more of the upper section of it.On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle can orange paint job. I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of about 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Al, 

I do think you could get to the Gaston section of the trial, from I-69, in 
about 10-15 minutes. That's the way I got there for the first ride. Gaston 
to Losantville is pretty nice. The Monon trail in Indianapolis is a nice 
ride. More populated and less rural, obviously, but it's a nice trail that 
runs about 26 miles from downtown Indy up to Sheridan. When you get back to 
the southern end you can pop into the Garage food hall for some food and 
drink. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:54:18 PM UTC-4 Al wrote:

> Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going 
> through Muncie.
>
> Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.
>
> On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> Al, 
>
>
> What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Brokebike, 
>> I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. 
>> Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
>> shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the 
>>> pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took 
>>> rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. 
>>> It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much 
>>> shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly 
>>> corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back 
>>> and explore more of the upper section of it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>>
 George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
 Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
 backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
 paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
 brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.

  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
 the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
 of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
 of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
 have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used 
> to 
> haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
> to 
> the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
> college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and 
> often 
> saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
> things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C 
> abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
> off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
> from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
> content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
> haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail. 
>  
> As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
> owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
> trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
> This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these 
> days 
> I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
>> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
>> size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 
 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you 
 not 
 to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>
> On 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Alex DeNooyer]

Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going through Muncie.Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Brokebike, I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore more of the upper section of it.On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle can orange paint job. I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of about 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Al, 

What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Brokebike, 
> I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some 
> open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
> shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
>> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
>> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
>> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
>> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
>> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
>> more of the upper section of it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
>>> Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
>>> backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
>>> paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
>>> brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.
>>>
>>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
 Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to 
 haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
 to 
 the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
 college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often 
 saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
 things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C 
 abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
 off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
 from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
 content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
 haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  
 As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
 owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
 trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
 This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days 
 I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
> size. 
> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>>> to 
>>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
> to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
> Ohio/Indiana 
> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
> about 
> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
> of 
> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>
> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Brokebike, 
I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some 
open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
> more of the upper section of it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie 
>> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in 
>> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and 
>> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle 
>> can orange paint job.
>>
>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail 
>>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul 
>>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the 
>>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college 
>>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw 
>>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things 
>>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned 
>>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore 
>>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western 
>>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, 
>>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there 
>>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, 
>>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed 
>>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour 
>>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly 
>>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive 
>>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
 me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
 size. 
 Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>> to 
>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
 to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
 Ohio/Indiana 
 line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
 about 
 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
 of 
 trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.

 [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

I agree with George. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> That's a difficult request because I-69 runs pretty much North-to-South in 
> the area where it gets even a little bit close to the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail.  The closest access point that I can see would be at Gaston and 
> there are no exits off the interstate anywhere near there until you get to 
> state road 28. And I don't know where you'd park around there in order to 
> ride a bike plus you' have to ride East on SR 28 for a ways before getting 
> to the trailhead and I, myself, would not want to do that on that highway 
> (narrow, no shoulders).  You'd be better off just going just a little 
> further South and taking to SR 332 into Muncie where you could get on the 
> Greenway Trail there.  Maybe there's parking places along the train in 
> Muncie.
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:16:40 AM UTC-5 Al wrote:
>
>> I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down 
>> (I live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll 
>> be going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point 
>> near I-69?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the 
>>> pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took 
>>> rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. 
>>> It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much 
>>> shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly 
>>> corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back 
>>> and explore more of the upper section of it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>>
 George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
 Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
 backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
 paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
 brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.

  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
 the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
 of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
 of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
 have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used 
> to 
> haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
> to 
> the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
> college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and 
> often 
> saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
> things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C 
> abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
> off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
> from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
> content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
> haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail. 
>  
> As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
> owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
> trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
> This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these 
> days 
> I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
>> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
>> size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 
 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you 
 not 
 to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[George Schick]

That's a difficult request because I-69 runs pretty much North-to-South in 
the area where it gets even a little bit close to the Cardinal Greenway 
Trail.  The closest access point that I can see would be at Gaston and 
there are no exits off the interstate anywhere near there until you get to 
state road 28. And I don't know where you'd park around there in order to 
ride a bike plus you' have to ride East on SR 28 for a ways before getting 
to the trailhead and I, myself, would not want to do that on that highway 
(narrow, no shoulders).  You'd be better off just going just a little 
further South and taking to SR 332 into Muncie where you could get on the 
Greenway Trail there.  Maybe there's parking places along the train in 
Muncie.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:16:40 AM UTC-5 Al wrote:

> I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down 
> (I live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll 
> be going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point 
> near I-69?
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
>> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
>> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
>> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
>> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
>> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
>> more of the upper section of it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
>>> Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
>>> backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
>>> paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
>>> brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.
>>>
>>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
 Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to 
 haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
 to 
 the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
 college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often 
 saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
 things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C 
 abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
 off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
 from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
 content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
 haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  
 As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
 owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
 trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
 This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days 
 I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
> size. 
> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>>> to 
>>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> So, I went back and wrote the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Al]

I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down (I 
live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll be 
going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point near 
I-69?

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
> more of the upper section of it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie 
>> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in 
>> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and 
>> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle 
>> can orange paint job.
>>
>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail 
>>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul 
>>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the 
>>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college 
>>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw 
>>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things 
>>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned 
>>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore 
>>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western 
>>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, 
>>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there 
>>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, 
>>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed 
>>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour 
>>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly 
>>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive 
>>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
 me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
 size. 
 Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>> to 
>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
 to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
 Ohio/Indiana 
 line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
 about 
 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
 of 
 trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.

 [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Brian Turner]

My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic
days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over
to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very
well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then.
Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one
side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore
more of the upper section of it.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:

> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie
> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in
> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and
> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle
> can orange paint job.
>
>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at
> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part
> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit
> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all
> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!.
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail
>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C Railroad that used to haul
>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the
>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college
>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw
>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things
>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C abandoned
>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore
>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western
>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence,
>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there
>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it,
>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed
>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour
>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly
>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive
>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me
>>> that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size.
>>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image:
 IMG_0465.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61
> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to
> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to
>>> Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana
>>> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
>>> about
>>> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of
>>> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>>>
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