Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[René Sterental]

May need to look at customizing the pins... :-)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:00 AM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> I've been using the Vaults on all my bikes for the last couple of years.
> They're wonderful and I have their marks on my legs.
>
> René
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:33 AM, John  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have silver VP Harriers on my AHH. I opened them up to grease them
>> before I put them on, and they don't look like they would be super durable.
>> Check their spindle for grease before you put them on your bike.
>>
>> They appear less durable that the VP Vice pedals, but have a larger
>> platform.
>>
>> Comparing VP Vice pedals to VP Harriers reminds me of someone choosing
>> between a medium or large Wald's basket for a Mark's rack. Maybe the larger
>> platform is not the wisest choice.
>>
>> I recently picked up a pair of DMR Vaults on sale, and their effective
>> shoe/pedal interface is nearly the same as the VP Harriers, and they look
>> like they will hold up to more use/abuse.  (I have way too many sets of
>> pedals)
>>
>> Plus the Vaults have more pin options to customize your grip: from nippy
>> baby Velociraptor up to ravenous, leg-chewing daddy Velociraptor. Or you
>> can go the vegetarian route, and use Hold Fast straps. And Vaults come in
>> more colors, from sedate to garish.
>>
>> If a heavier, crazier, reckless friend asked me, I would recommend the
>> DMR Vaults or VP Vice pedals over the VP Harriers.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone tried the VP Aim pedals or the VP Harrier pedals???  I'm
>>> curious.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/02/12/vp-aims-to-bite-into-platform-market-with-new-light-thin-and-affordable-pedals/
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:

 Hey there,

 I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes
 ruse article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and
 the longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put
 clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001
 and VP vice pedals and have for years.
 Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes.
 Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew
 blood trying to get her bike near mine.

 I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super
 sharp headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else
 have any other suggestions?

 - Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[René Sterental]

I've been using the Vaults on all my bikes for the last couple of years.
They're wonderful and I have their marks on my legs.

René

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:33 AM, John  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have silver VP Harriers on my AHH. I opened them up to grease them
> before I put them on, and they don't look like they would be super durable.
> Check their spindle for grease before you put them on your bike.
>
> They appear less durable that the VP Vice pedals, but have a larger
> platform.
>
> Comparing VP Vice pedals to VP Harriers reminds me of someone choosing
> between a medium or large Wald's basket for a Mark's rack. Maybe the larger
> platform is not the wisest choice.
>
> I recently picked up a pair of DMR Vaults on sale, and their effective
> shoe/pedal interface is nearly the same as the VP Harriers, and they look
> like they will hold up to more use/abuse.  (I have way too many sets of
> pedals)
>
> Plus the Vaults have more pin options to customize your grip: from nippy
> baby Velociraptor up to ravenous, leg-chewing daddy Velociraptor. Or you
> can go the vegetarian route, and use Hold Fast straps. And Vaults come in
> more colors, from sedate to garish.
>
> If a heavier, crazier, reckless friend asked me, I would recommend the DMR
> Vaults or VP Vice pedals over the VP Harriers.
>
> John
>
>
>> Has anyone tried the VP Aim pedals or the VP Harrier pedals???  I'm
>> curious.
>>
>>
>> http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/02/12/vp-aims-to-bite-into-platform-market-with-new-light-thin-and-affordable-pedals/
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey there,
>>>
>>> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes
>>> ruse article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and
>>> the longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put
>>> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001
>>> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
>>> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes.
>>> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew
>>> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>>>
>>> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super
>>> sharp headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else
>>> have any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ryan Ray]

I prefer my VICE pedals now that I removed the sharp spikes. Protip: remove
the sharp spikes BEFORE you use them.

For my VP-001s I just screwed in the sharp pins (specially the interior
ones) so they don't stick out so much.

- Ryan




On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:08 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> after striking a pedal and wrecking my ankle over winter on my
> low-clearance Raleigh, I went to narrow Blackspire El Gordos.
> They have 8 stubby spikes on each side, unlikely to mark your shin, and
> are good touring pedals for ice-skate feet.  I just knocked 35 mi on it
> this morning.
> A bit wider version (though still a reasonable 92mm narrow) with many more
> stubby spikes is the Big Slim.
> These still aren't what you want for aggressive downhill (those are the
> sticky cut-you spikes), but good touring platforms.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[James Chang]

I ride platforms all day.  Have MKS Lambda without pins, VP Gripster with
sharp pins, and VP Vice with smooth top pins.  Shin bloody every time with
the Gripster as the pins are sharp.  No issues with the Lambda and Vice at
all.  The smooth top pins from VP definitely preferred.

James Chang
Taipei, Taiwan

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I ride with MKS Touring pedals.
> So far plenty of grip with Nike Sneakers, even in a rainy 200k.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ryan Ray]

This was from the VP Vice pedals which come with smoother pins and the 
super sharp pins too. Still need to file down those edges.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 1:29:11 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I removed the ultra sharp spikes (the same ones found all over the 
> thin-gripsters) and I noticed a huge improvement. I did notice less 
> retention but now they are similar to clipless pedals with a bunch of 
> float. My shoes never wanted to slip out but they were able to freely 
> change angles. Not quite as grippy but worth the less-beusaged shins.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ryan Ray]

I removed the ultra sharp spikes (the same ones found all over the 
thin-gripsters) and I noticed a huge improvement. I did notice less 
retention but now they are similar to clipless pedals with a bunch of 
float. My shoes never wanted to slip out but they were able to freely 
change angles. Not quite as grippy but worth the less-beusaged shins.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/24/2016 10:34 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I love that my VP Vice pins are razor edged. They make the grip feel 
as sure with shoes on as it is barefoot without pins. I realize that 
is not a measure most folks have as a baseline, but barefoot on an 
unpinned VP Vice is a stunningly secure connection (and provided 
instant feedback and zero "slop."


You mean, as those razor edged pins sink into the calluses on your feet, 
making a nice and secure albeit sometimes bloody connection? And how are 
your shins when you accidentally kick the pedal around to get it up to 
the starting position and it goes too far and whirls around, sinking 
those razor edged pins into your shin?


Scars and blood dripping down the front of your leg -- so yesterday.  
Been there, done that, and I'm done with it.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Deacon Patrick]

I love that my VP Vice pins are razor edged. They make the grip feel as 
sure with shoes on as it is barefoot without pins. I realize that is not a 
measure most folks have as a baseline, but barefoot on an unpinned VP Vice 
is a stunningly secure connection (and provided instant feedback and zero 
"slop." If it wasn't for the whole rock and root to toe thing, I'd be 
barefoot all the time. As it is, I'm loving my new Xero Z-Trek sandals -- a 
bit like Tevas of old but even more 
minimal. http://xeroshoes.com/shop/feeltrue-products/ztrek-men/ Just enough 
toe lift to protect against rocks and roots, and as close to barefoot as 
I'll get without being barefoot.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:41:47 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> It seems like the big problem with the VP pedals is that they do nothing 
> to smooth out the corners in their CNC process. It's a very sharp, abrupt 
> change in surface.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Justin August]

I will issue a "nay" vote for the RMX pedals. One bit if moisture and you have 
no grip at all. 

It seems like the big problem with the VP pedals is that they do nothing to 
smooth out the corners in their CNC process. It's a very sharp, abrupt change 
in surface. I don't know if you can change that on a CNC mill but I do know my 
Paul equipment isn't similarly jagged. 

As far as the spikes being too pointy maybe the model that uses standard bolts 
for pins would be less damaging?

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Belopsky]

I wish Keen still made these - they have a commuter sandal now but it's 
more of a sneaker than sandal

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Maybe your problem is you need better shoes to use with your cleats.
>
>
>
> On 05/23/2016 05:21 PM, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Man, you describe me and my struggles to an absolute T:  Clipless are 
> still best for long rides; but I don't use a bike nearly as often if so 
> fitted; I enjoy platform pedals most of the time;  but am scarred, scabbed 
> and bloody all summer long.  I got all the way to shin bone last year.  I'm 
> actively looking for some platform pedals with a more friendly - yet - 
> still grippy spike.  Will let you know if I find something, but will be 
> watching this thread no matter what. 
>
> At this moment, I'm adding some screws to some Grip Kings, but planning to 
> set them very low and use loctite to hold them in place. 
>
> I'm also thinking about getting some shin guards for vigorous mountain 
> rides, but that sort of defeats the whole beauty of platform pedals and not 
> having to go through a pre-ride ritual.
>
> I got some 5-Tennies a couple of years ago, which help a little. Because 
> they stick better, my foot slides off less frequently, meaning less 
> in-motion knocks.  But once again, that means having to use a specific 
> piece of gear.
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:29:02 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote: 
>>
>> Hey there, 
>>
>> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse 
>> article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the 
>> longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put 
>> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001 
>> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
>> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes. 
>> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew 
>> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>>
>> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super sharp 
>> headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else have any 
>> other suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ron Mc]

ok, but this is a spiked pedal thread 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Steve Palincsar]

That was meant to be a generic illustration.  There are several brands 
of SPD-capable sandals.


As for just "hopping on a bike" on the spur of the moment -- clearly 
some of you do that, but I certainly never do.


On 05/23/2016 11:20 PM, iamkeith wrote:
Funny - I wear keens almost exclusively, for 7 months a year.  I was 
SO excited when they came out with those bike sandals.  But they're 
about 1/2 the width of their regular sandals, and I literally cannot 
even get them on my feet.   My SPD bike "shoe" of choice is currently 
the Nashbar sandal, which is really wide,  but tough and inexpensive 
too!  But, like the OP, my SPD equipped bikes just don't get ridden as 
much as a bike that I can hop regardless of what I happen to be wearing.


On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Maybe your problem is you need better shoes to use with your cleats.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Evan E.]

Yep! I'll third the MKS RMX Sneaker Pedals from Rivendell. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[iamkeith]

Funny - I wear keens almost exclusively, for 7 months a year.  I was SO 
excited when they came out with those bike sandals.  But they're about 1/2 
the width of their regular sandals, and I literally cannot even get them on 
my feet.   My SPD bike "shoe" of choice is currently the Nashbar sandal, 
which is really wide,  but tough and inexpensive too!  But, like the OP, my 
SPD equipped bikes just don't get ridden as much as a bike that I can hop 
regardless of what I happen to be wearing.  

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Maybe your problem is you need better shoes to use with your cleats.
>
>
>
> On 05/23/2016 05:21 PM, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Man, you describe me and my struggles to an absolute T:  Clipless are 
> still best for long rides; but I don't use a bike nearly as often if so 
> fitted; I enjoy platform pedals most of the time;  but am scarred, scabbed 
> and bloody all summer long.  I got all the way to shin bone last year.  I'm 
> actively looking for some platform pedals with a more friendly - yet - 
> still grippy spike.  Will let you know if I find something, but will be 
> watching this thread no matter what. 
>
> At this moment, I'm adding some screws to some Grip Kings, but planning to 
> set them very low and use loctite to hold them in place. 
>
> I'm also thinking about getting some shin guards for vigorous mountain 
> rides, but that sort of defeats the whole beauty of platform pedals and not 
> having to go through a pre-ride ritual.
>
> I got some 5-Tennies a couple of years ago, which help a little. Because 
> they stick better, my foot slides off less frequently, meaning less 
> in-motion knocks.  But once again, that means having to use a specific 
> piece of gear.
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:29:02 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote: 
>>
>> Hey there, 
>>
>> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse 
>> article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the 
>> longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put 
>> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001 
>> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
>> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes. 
>> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew 
>> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>>
>> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super sharp 
>> headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else have any 
>> other suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Eric Karnes]

If you're looking for another low-profile option, I've had good luck with 
the VP-535 / VP Grind (I've seen them called both). They are cheap and 
comfortable. Not quite as grippy as the VP-001, but they work just fine in 
the dry with sneakers. And no cut shins.

Eric

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> I'll second the MKS sneaker pedals. Good grip for something without all 
> the shin eatin pins. I was actually really surprised at how well they 
> gripped. I think of it like this.  Thin gripsters too much, Grip Kings not 
> enough, especially if you add any amount of h2o, sneaker pedals just 
> right...just my 02. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Richard Rios]

I'll second the MKS sneaker pedals. Good grip for something without all the 
shin eatin pins. I was actually really surprised at how well they gripped. I 
think of it like this.  Thin gripsters too much, Grip Kings not enough, 
especially if you add any amount of h2o, sneaker pedals just right...just my 
02. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ron Mc]

VP-001 has become my least-favorite platform pedal - the center of the 
pedal at the outermost point is like an intentional knife edge, and it's so 
far away from the pedal spikes, it's pointless for it to stick out that 
far.  
The other pedals I ride, Raceface Atlas, Straitline Amp and Blackspire 
don't have near the problems with shin strikes.  But I do consciously spin 
the my-side pedal to the front position when I'm walking the bike.  
The worst shin strike I got was on my Atlas pedals, because it was because 
some kids hiding behind pillars were playing chicken and jumping out in 
front of bikes.  I turned the bike sideways to stop it, and the pedal on 
the shin stopped me.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes

[Robert Zeidler]

That's cold Joel ( no pun).

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 12, 2010, at 4:18 PM, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Just got in from changing my first QB rear tire flat - man that was
 easy! I always hate changing rear flats on geared bikes. I don't have
 fenders and don't plan on putting them on - just to keep the tire
 changes as easy as possible.
 
 I've only had the bike a month or so - riding freewheel, need to try
 fixed at some point, but not today. File under future plans.
 
 Hey David, whats all that white stuff surrounding your bike? I feel
 for you guys up North right now. Seems to be a blizzard or something
 going on. (Todays ride report down here, super sunny and a coolish 60
 (sorry).
 
 Joel
 
 On Dec 12, 9:55 am, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 
 
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