Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:43 PM, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Even with puny 35mm Schwalbe Supremes and SKS 45mm fenders, I can get toe strike on my 58cm Atlantis if I try hard enough on start-up. This is because sometimes my (size 12) foot placement on Grip Kings is accidentally too far forward initially on start-up. But its not a major issue for me. Like cyclofiend is saying, with a little practice its easily avoidable. I also had 29 x 2.1 Nanoraptors on the Atlantis for a time, and definitely had to be more conscious of it while riding the slow twisty semi-technical stuff. But it was still fun and not a show-stopper. Here's a pic of it with the Nanoraptors on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4033477230 Cutting it close, but probably not an issue if i used cleats. On Feb 1, 1:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 2/1/10 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J at thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe clip overlap.) Just for reference sake, it's important to define the following: Clipped In means using some sort of cleated interface to secure your shoes and pedals - SPD, TIME, LOOK, etc... Clipless are the type of pedals that you clip into as above. It is an honorable semantic effort to shift this phrase to Clip in. Even the snowboarders use the phrase Click-in binding... Toe Clips are the cages that extend off the front of the pedal. Once upon a time, we nailed cleats to the bottom of our cycling shoes, so that the rear lip of the pedal cage secured the shoe. Then we tightened down the toe straps. Then we were clipped in. We were young and foolish. Slipping a pair of cycling or street shoes into a Toe Clip is using toe clips All-righty then... One of the quickest ways to get into trouble is to get your foot _inside_ of the front wheel when stopped or at low speeds. Really, that's about the only time it can happen, because you really shouldn't be turning the bars that much unless you are coming down Repack on a Klunker in about 1978 or thereabouts. The best way to compound the problem is to be riding a fixed gear, because, obviously, you can't backpedal and the momentum of the bicycle is driving your foot. The first time I did this (on my Dawes commuter, which has toe clips and fenders), I very luckily dropped my heel, which pointed my toe up, creating plenty of room for the wheel to swing back to center. Then, I seriously panicked and froze up. Luckily, the freezing took place after the fact, and as such did not end catastrophically. I'm a great believer in practicing for disaster, and have since played with this condition a bit to create some muscle memory for the future. Depending upon the tension in your legs, the position of your foot, you can definitely compound the problem if your reaction is to push down harder. It's really a weird feeling when it happens, and your instinctive reaction may not be correct. It's not a bad idea to play with the clearances, so you know beforehand what they are. Sitting stationary on the bike (with a spotter - some of the hardest falls I've had were at 0 mph...) in a doorframe or next to some support, set your foot forward and move the bars to create the problem. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now availablehttp:// www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Such a good looking bike. Black w/ cream is one of my favorite Atlantis colors. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:23 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:43 PM, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Even with puny 35mm Schwalbe Supremes and SKS 45mm fenders, I can get toe strike on my 58cm Atlantis if I try hard enough on start-up. This is because sometimes my (size 12) foot placement on Grip Kings is accidentally too far forward initially on start-up. But its not a major issue for me. Like cyclofiend is saying, with a little practice its easily avoidable. I also had 29 x 2.1 Nanoraptors on the Atlantis for a time, and definitely had to be more conscious of it while riding the slow twisty semi-technical stuff. But it was still fun and not a show-stopper. Here's a pic of it with the Nanoraptors on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4033477230 Cutting it close, but probably not an issue if i used cleats. On Feb 1, 1:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 2/1/10 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J at thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe clip overlap.) Just for reference sake, it's important to define the following: Clipped In means using some sort of cleated interface to secure your shoes and pedals - SPD, TIME, LOOK, etc... Clipless are the type of pedals that you clip into as above. It is an honorable semantic effort to shift this phrase to Clip in. Even the snowboarders use the phrase Click-in binding... Toe Clips are the cages that extend off the front of the pedal. Once upon a time, we nailed cleats to the bottom of our cycling shoes, so that the rear lip of the pedal cage secured the shoe. Then we tightened down the toe straps. Then we were clipped in. We were young and foolish. Slipping a pair of cycling or street shoes into a Toe Clip is using toe clips All-righty then... One of the quickest ways to get into trouble is to get your foot _inside_ of the front wheel when stopped or at low speeds. Really, that's about the only time it can happen, because you really shouldn't be turning the bars that much unless you are coming down Repack on a Klunker in about 1978 or thereabouts. The best way to compound the problem is to be riding a fixed gear, because, obviously, you can't backpedal and the momentum of the bicycle is driving your foot. The first time I did this (on my Dawes commuter, which has toe clips and fenders), I very luckily dropped my heel, which pointed my toe up, creating plenty of room for the wheel to swing back to center. Then, I seriously panicked and froze up. Luckily, the freezing took place after the fact, and as such did not end catastrophically. I'm a great believer in practicing for disaster, and have since played with this condition a bit to create some muscle memory for the future. Depending upon the tension in your legs, the position of your foot, you can definitely compound the problem if your reaction is to push down harder. It's really a weird feeling when it happens, and your instinctive reaction may not be correct. It's not a bad idea to play with the clearances, so you know beforehand what they are. Sitting stationary on the bike (with a spotter - some of the hardest falls I've had were at 0 mph...) in a doorframe or next to some support, set your foot forward and move the bars to create the problem. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now availablehttp:// www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
And the plot thickens... Thanks! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kevin Pollen pollencloth...@gmail.comwrote: I have a 58cm Atlantas and I ride 50mm Big Apples and fenders on it. I have about 3/4 of an inch of TCO. But its mostly from the fenders I think. I rode it with the fenders off and i didn't have any that I can remember. Kevin Formerly from San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe clip overlap.) I've never encountered it, but am now considering either a 58cm or 61cm Atlantis with big tires and sizeable (Woody's compound curve wooden) fenders. Also, size 11 feet. But I will always ride it unclipped -- no problem w/ TCO (or even with FO (foot overlap))? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? And the plot thickens... Thanks! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kevin Pollen pollencloth...@gmail.commailto:pollencloth...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 58cm Atlantas and I ride 50mm Big Apples and fenders on it. I have about 3/4 of an inch of TCO. But its mostly from the fenders I think. I rode it with the fenders off and i didn't have any that I can remember. Kevin Formerly from San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Yeah, that name is a bit of an anachronism. Well, maybe not on this list... :-) I think I shall dub it Big Toe Overlap from this point forward! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe *clip *overlap.) I've never encountered it, but am now considering either a 58cm or 61cm Atlantis with big tires and sizeable (Woody's compound curve wooden) fenders. Also, size 11 feet. But I will always ride it unclipped -- no problem w/ TCO (or even with FO (foot overlap))? -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? And the plot thickens... Thanks! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kevin Pollen pollencloth...@gmail.comwrote: I have a 58cm Atlantas and I ride 50mm Big Apples and fenders on it. I have about 3/4 of an inch of TCO. But its mostly from the fenders I think. I rode it with the fenders off and i didn't have any that I can remember. Kevin Formerly from San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
But seriously, if your toe is not attached to the pedal, it will just slip off if it bumps into the fender, correct? So no issue with TCO if not clipped in? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:01 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? Yeah, that name is a bit of an anachronism. Well, maybe not on this list... :-) I think I shall dub it Big Toe Overlap from this point forward! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.commailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe clip overlap.) I've never encountered it, but am now considering either a 58cm or 61cm Atlantis with big tires and sizeable (Woody's compound curve wooden) fenders. Also, size 11 feet. But I will always ride it unclipped -- no problem w/ TCO (or even with FO (foot overlap))? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? And the plot thickens... Thanks! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kevin Pollen pollencloth...@gmail.commailto:pollencloth...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 58cm Atlantas and I ride 50mm Big Apples and fenders on it. I have about 3/4 of an inch of TCO. But its mostly from the fenders I think. I rode it with the fenders off and i didn't have any that I can remember. Kevin Formerly from San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: But seriously, if your toe is not attached to the pedal, it will just slip off if it bumps into the fender, correct? So no issue with TCO if not clipped in? It depends on a number of things: 1. how much of your toe is over the front of the pedal 2. how sticky the toe of your shoes are to the fender 3. how slow you're going 4. how stiff your fender stays are. I've had TCO cause the fender to touch the front wheel which causes the bike to STOP and causes me to fall over all of this on platform pedals. Though, to be fair - it only really happens when I'm at a standing start since it is hard to move your foot around too easily when you're standing. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
SPD pedals, so I'm clipped in and if it crosses, could be less than a pleasant experience. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: But seriously, if your toe is not attached to the pedal, it will just slip off if it bumps into the fender, correct? So no issue with TCO if not clipped in? -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 11:01 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? Yeah, that name is a bit of an anachronism. Well, maybe not on this list... :-) I think I shall dub it Big Toe Overlap from this point forward! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe *clip *overlap.) I've never encountered it, but am now considering either a 58cm or 61cm Atlantis with big tires and sizeable (Woody's compound curve wooden) fenders. Also, size 11 feet. But I will always ride it unclipped -- no problem w/ TCO (or even with FO (foot overlap))? -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? And the plot thickens... Thanks! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Kevin Pollen pollencloth...@gmail.comwrote: I have a 58cm Atlantas and I ride 50mm Big Apples and fenders on it. I have about 3/4 of an inch of TCO. But its mostly from the fenders I think. I rode it with the fenders off and i didn't have any that I can remember. Kevin Formerly from San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en
RE: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
I caught m toe on the Ramboiullet fender pretty hard a while back--kicked the SKS stays out of their eyelet quick release dealie. Startled me but no harm done. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:22 AM To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis? But seriously, if your toe is not attached to the pedal, it will just slip off if it bumps into the fender, correct? So no issue with TCO if not clipped in? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
FWIW, I found that adding (Velo Orange, 35 mm aluminum) fenders to my Motobecane actually helped with TCO, for, though they increased the TCO, obviously, they also provided a smooth, curved surface to deflect the offending toe clip (now, the offending toe, since I've switched back, fickle as I am, to SPDs). And FWIW again, the Motobecane is a fixed gear and I've had no real problems with TCO; experientia docet -- as they say. It's just one of the many fixed gears I've had with TCO. You get used to it. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I caught m toe on the Ramboiullet fender pretty hard a while back--kicked the SKS stays out of their eyelet quick release dealie. Startled me but no harm done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
on 2/1/10 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J at thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking that TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in? (I suppose maybe that's why the problem is called toe clip overlap.) Just for reference sake, it's important to define the following: Clipped In means using some sort of cleated interface to secure your shoes and pedals - SPD, TIME, LOOK, etc... Clipless are the type of pedals that you clip into as above. It is an honorable semantic effort to shift this phrase to Clip in. Even the snowboarders use the phrase Click-in binding... Toe Clips are the cages that extend off the front of the pedal. Once upon a time, we nailed cleats to the bottom of our cycling shoes, so that the rear lip of the pedal cage secured the shoe. Then we tightened down the toe straps. Then we were clipped in. We were young and foolish. Slipping a pair of cycling or street shoes into a Toe Clip is using toe clips All-righty then... One of the quickest ways to get into trouble is to get your foot _inside_ of the front wheel when stopped or at low speeds. Really, that's about the only time it can happen, because you really shouldn't be turning the bars that much unless you are coming down Repack on a Klunker in about 1978 or thereabouts. The best way to compound the problem is to be riding a fixed gear, because, obviously, you can't backpedal and the momentum of the bicycle is driving your foot. The first time I did this (on my Dawes commuter, which has toe clips and fenders), I very luckily dropped my heel, which pointed my toe up, creating plenty of room for the wheel to swing back to center. Then, I seriously panicked and froze up. Luckily, the freezing took place after the fact, and as such did not end catastrophically. I'm a great believer in practicing for disaster, and have since played with this condition a bit to create some muscle memory for the future. Depending upon the tension in your legs, the position of your foot, you can definitely compound the problem if your reaction is to push down harder. It's really a weird feeling when it happens, and your instinctive reaction may not be correct. It's not a bad idea to play with the clearances, so you know beforehand what they are. Sitting stationary on the bike (with a spotter - some of the hardest falls I've had were at 0 mph...) in a doorframe or next to some support, set your foot forward and move the bars to create the problem. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Thanks, thanks, thanks for all the feedback. I guess it's not the actual toe clips, but just bashing the tires with your shoes and falling over. This would be on a trail/mountain type of a build. I'm thinking a 61cm or maybe a 58cm. 172.5mm cranks. Nanoraptors/Big Apples. 45/10.5 sized SPD shoes. :-) On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I sold my 58 Atlantis because of TCO. I was running Schwalbe Big Apples and XL toe clips though. I went back to a 56 simply because TCO bothers me and I never had it with the 56 previous to the 58. I obviously don't have the brain power to remember it's there so I choose to make riding as thought less as possible. It really wasn't that big of a deal. Just annoying to me and if I want to be annoyed I'll go to work. On Jan 31, 10:30 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Morning query: With BIG 50mm or larger tires on a700c Atlantis, are there TCO issues? Enjoy a Sunday ride! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Idle conjecture... I did see the raw-powdercoat in SF CL if that's what you're talking about. But no, just giving me something to think about... :-) On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a line on an Atlantis? I saw one very reasonably priced earlier this week on SF Craigslist. --mike On Jan 31, 6:06 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, thanks, thanks for all the feedback. I guess it's not the actual toe clips, but just bashing the tires with your shoes and falling over. This would be on a trail/mountain type of a build. I'm thinking a 61cm or maybe a 58cm. 172.5mm cranks. Nanoraptors/Big Apples. 45/10.5 sized SPD shoes. :-) On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I sold my 58 Atlantis because of TCO. I was running Schwalbe Big Apples and XL toe clips though. I went back to a 56 simply because TCO bothers me and I never had it with the 56 previous to the 58. I obviously don't have the brain power to remember it's there so I choose to make riding as thought less as possible. It really wasn't that big of a deal. Just annoying to me and if I want to be annoyed I'll go to work. On Jan 31, 10:30 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Morning query: With BIG 50mm or larger tires on a700c Atlantis, are there TCO issues? Enjoy a Sunday ride! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Most likely a KM, just hate to give up on an Atlantis (Bombas won't fit me in the 700C size). On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I think your best bet is to either get another Rivendell like the Hunqapillar (sp?) or a Bombadil. Or get a Surly KM or Salsa Fargo, although the Fargo is probably more tourworthy than you need. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Most likely a KM, just hate to give up on an Atlantis (Bombas won't fit me in the 700C size). If you're really looking for an atlantis I'd recommend calling around to all the riv dealers to see if anyone has one lingering in your size. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: TCO on an Atlantis?
Seth: It would be used. Mike: Yes, exactly how I would do it! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen some pictures of KMs with drop bars and they look nice. On Jan 31, 7:10 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Most likely a KM, just hate to give up on an Atlantis (Bombas won't fit me in the 700C size). On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I think your best bet is to either get another Rivendell like the Hunqapillar (sp?) or a Bombadil. Or get a Surly KM or Salsa Fargo, although the Fargo is probably more tourworthy than you need. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
