Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Could someone please email me off group with my first post to the helmet 
thread? I wanted to use part of it in a blog post.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Did I miss something while I was away? What happened to the helmet thread? 
Did it get nixed for some reason or another? 

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 5:52:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sure, Joe.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
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>> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
>>
>> Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[S]

What happened to the original thread? Did it get too contentious? 


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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be sure to choose a modern helmet over a hairnet when I whack myself
over the head with an Indian club.

I'd rather say a prayer. (And I do, sharing The Deacon's proclivities. At
any rate, a brief prayer looks better than helmet hair and is guaranteed
-Amen! - more effective than an herbal necklace.)

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:37 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> I was the Workshop Chair for the 1974 Great Eastern Rally in Poughkeepsie
> NY.  The MSR bicycle helmet was only weeks away from introduction, and a
> friend who was involved in its development put on a workshop about it.
> After comparing it to the leather hairnet racing helmets of the day, he
> concluded his presentation by putting the helmet on, picking up an Indian
> Club and whacking himself over the head with it.  He then offered the
> Indian Club to the audience members and asked if any of them "would care to
> try that with your leather hairnet."   Not one single taker...
> On 4/1/19 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
>
> Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

Sure, Joe.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[S]

I don’t think anyone here believes a helmet offers a magical level of 
protection in a serious crash. But as I and others have observed in this 
thread, a helmet absolutely can keep your face off the blacktop. As I went 
skidding along the ground in my last bad crash, I was grateful it was the side 
of the helmet and not my face that was doing the skidding. And if you wear 
glasses, a helmet can save them from smashing and sending plastic or glass 
shards into your eyes. That’s nice as well. Also, helmets are so light and 
vented these days that comfort seems a weak argument against wearing a helmet. 

Having broken multiple bones in multiple crashes I am under no illusions as to 
my fragility on a bike. Plenty of other parts can break besides my head, so 
plopping a helmet on doesn’t make me into an instant daredevil. Helmets aren’t 
a 100% solution but they do mitigate damage to a degree and for me that degree 
is sufficient. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Ryan M.]

Joe, you hit the nail on the head (or head on the wall). I know what I want on 
my head when I’m banging it into a wall.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

I was the Workshop Chair for the 1974 Great Eastern Rally in 
Poughkeepsie NY.  The MSR bicycle helmet was only weeks away from 
introduction, and a friend who was involved in its development put on a 
workshop about it.  After comparing it to the leather hairnet racing 
helmets of the day, he concluded his presentation by putting the helmet 
on, picking up an Indian Club and whacking himself over the head with 
it.  He then offered the Indian Club to the audience members and asked 
if any of them "would care to try that with your leather hairnet."   Not 
one single taker...


On 4/1/19 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

- I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -

Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.


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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

- I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -

Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

All of the below, but principally because I don't like doing something when
I see no good reason for it -- per my earlier posts. I often wonder if
there *are* good reasons, but I haven't seen them yet. I'm still weighing
the question and hoping for more evidence.

As far as I know, wearing a helmet is like tying a little bag of scent or
herbs around your neck to ward off the plague.

I am very pleasantly surprised that this thread has remained so civil. I
was even civil to Garth! (Pulling your chain, Garth!)

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:42 PM sameness  wrote:

> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three
> times, maybe four.
>
> E... off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if
> they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
>
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest
> question.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it
>> will save the noggin from lacerations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I think the idea is “glimpse cognition recognition” (a technical term I 
just made up). Riding down a trail, I am always scanning ahead, scouting my 
line of travel as I impliment it. I don’t identify most trees as I pass, but I 
do notice branches sticking out that effect my line and adjust accordingly. 
Similarly with people walking down the road. I asses from a glimpse how much 
space I will give them. Child(ren), dog, or group? A lot of space. Individual 
lost in thier own world? A lot of space. Someone who sees me and waves or I 
recognize? Less space.

Drivers do the same thing, and have developed a bias, so the theory goes, 
against racing mentality cyclists. If I don’t LOOK at a GLANCE like a racer, 
they give me more room. I have long experienced this. I get even more room when 
I take the right wheel track on the road and wave and smile.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Given that there’s so much concern out there about whether motorists notice 
cyclists at all, it’s nice to see that some drivers (see item #5) pay so much 
attention that they discern whether we’re wearing a helmet and adjust passing 
distances accordingly. I wish that was the case, but I don’t think it is.

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> On Apr 1, 2019, at 11:42 AM, sameness  wrote:
> 
> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
> times, maybe four.
> 
> E... off the top of my head:
> 
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if they 
> think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
> 
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest question.
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
> will save the noggin from lacerations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

Garth, you are in good company!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> In an appreciation of John Dryden.
>
>> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

In an appreciation of John Dryden.

[image: image.png]

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 11:42 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond
> that.
> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>
> 5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
>
> Garth, I love you.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life
>> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is
>> Living Itself Life  .*
>>
>> Life is Life's Own-Life..
>>
>>
>> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what,
>> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Josette Akresh-Gonzales]

Dear friends, 


This is a fascinatingly humble and civil thread! ❤️


Two summers ago I decided to stop wearing a helmet after I realized that 
mine was about 10 years old and I'd been told that they should be replaced 
every 3 years. My B.S.-o'meter went off and since then I've been working on 
gathering info about helmets: what they were designed to do, what tests 
have been done to prove they work, and whether or not helmet mandates, such 
as the one in Australia, are having an impact on bike-related injuries, 
concussions, or fatalities. Here's my doc with lots of notes, quotes, and 
links. 


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U3Cke_Ffzt9dOFDrAxun1gf3yffqOMxNe0Gi0W5dxIQ/edit?usp=sharing

Best, 
Josette

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond 
> that.
> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning." 
>
> 5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
>
> Garth, I love you.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life 
>> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is 
>> Living Itself Life  .*   
>>
>> Life is Life's Own-Life.. 
>>
>>
>> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what, 
>> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond 
that.


On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.

Garth, I love you.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth > wrote:




Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity . 
Life cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *_Life
Itself Living is Living Itself Life _ .*

Life is Life's Own-Life..


BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF*. * The who, what,
where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ...
ALL-ITSELF .




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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.

Garth, I love you.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>
> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life
> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is
> Living Itself Life  .*
>
> Life is Life's Own-Life..
>
>
> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what,
> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

I am pretty sure that I pay more attention to my riding when riding fixed,
and while riding sans helmet. Can't say I feel out of place, though.

Danny MacAskill is pretty amazing, but I wonder how many trial (heh heh)
runs and editing led up to that very fun video. Did he really do that hay
bale trick in one go?

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:42 PM MCT  wrote:

> +1 on the helmet.  I forgot mine for a ride last week on the bike path. I
> still rode, felt out of place and paid extra attention.
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[tc]

Leah, you should point The Clem Rider to any one of Danny MacAskill's 
videos.  Arguably the most talented trick bike rider out there.  He wears a 
helmet, so if The Clem Rider wants to be REALLY cool like Danny, he should 
wear a helmet!  Heck, get him a helmet cam too!  Of course, this may give 
him some ideas you'd rather he not get.

For example:  Danny MacAskill’s Wee Day Out 

You can thank me later :)

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree that was a good presentation. Although of course there are no stats 
available on "the odds" or "the consequences."  Which I believe was one of 
Edwin's points.

One situation where I would heartily recommend helmet use: when bringing up 
this topic on iBoB. Nice to give people the space to express their views 
without too much direct judgement.

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Edwin, 
> You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to 
> cover all the bases of Helmet use IMHO.  Free will allows us each to make 
> make the best individual choice for “ourselves” based on are willingness to 
> accept the odds and consequences.   
>
 

>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:08 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Edwin,
> You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to
> cover all the bases of Helmet use IMHO.  Free will allows us each to make
> make the best individual choice for “ourselves” based on are willingness to
> accept the odds and consequences.
>

+1

> Thank you all for remaining civil with this polarizing topic.
>

+1

>
> Leah: I can’t resist to point out that it seems a fitting helmet  ⛑ for
> you : (Nut Case ), but also stylish, happy, and noticeable.
>

+1 here too!

>
> Personally here is my helmet philosophy.
> Motorcycling Alway:  Ridden for 33+ years on roads with cars, trucks, at
> high speed and ALWAYS wear a full face modular helmet (Nolan brand highly
> recommended).
> Bicycling with children: I always rode with a helmet when my children were
> introduced to biking through them becoming teenagers.
> On organized sponsored group rides: I followed their rules and wore a
> helmet.  Ceased attending during the  last decade or so.
> On relaxing individual rides in retirement on bike paths, to the beach,
> running errands, exploring bike infrastructure in neiboring cities (Never
> wear a helmet).
> When encountering families while out JUST RIDING I frequently compliment
> their bike and or helmet to promote the joys of riding.  I have even asked
> some parents if they wanted me to show them or help them adjust a helmet to
> better fit and protect anyone wearing one.
>
> Great food for thought  regardless.  As many have presented it is
> important to protect oneself and that mellon.  TBI are serious and
> something I would not wish on anyone nor the responsibility that comes
> along to their family members who need to become caregivers.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan & Sacramento, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Edwin,
You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to cover all 
the bases of Helmet use IMHO.  Free will allows us each to make make the best 
individual choice for “ourselves” based on are willingness to accept the odds 
and consequences.  
Thank you all for remaining civil with this polarizing topic.

Leah: I can’t resist to point out that it seems a fitting helmet  ⛑ for you : 
(Nut Case ), but also stylish, happy, and noticeable.

Personally here is my helmet philosophy.
Motorcycling Alway:  Ridden for 33+ years on roads with cars, trucks, at high 
speed and ALWAYS wear a full face modular helmet (Nolan brand highly 
recommended).  
Bicycling with children: I always rode with a helmet when my children were 
introduced to biking through them becoming teenagers.
On organized sponsored group rides: I followed their rules and wore a helmet.  
Ceased attending during the  last decade or so.
On relaxing individual rides in retirement on bike paths, to the beach, running 
errands, exploring bike infrastructure in neiboring cities (Never wear a 
helmet).
When encountering families while out JUST RIDING I frequently compliment their 
bike and or helmet to promote the joys of riding.  I have even asked some 
parents if they wanted me to show them or help them adjust a helmet to better 
fit and protect anyone wearing one.  

Great food for thought  regardless.  As many have presented it is important to 
protect oneself and that mellon.  TBI are serious and something I would not 
wish on anyone nor the responsibility that comes along to their family members 
who need to become caregivers.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan & Sacramento, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

On 3/30/19 4:52 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Yeah, the #0 blade isn’t gonna work out. I can re-do braids fairly 
easily, but GEEZ, helmets destroy the body and curl of a good hair day. 



Well, that's true, but if you go down and slide on the side of your head 
instead of on the side of your helmet -- as I did in 2008 when my front 
wheel got caught in the crack between two lanes of concrete paving in 
the traffic circle going around Mount Vernon -- the gouges that look 
like being raked by bear claws will be on your head instead of on the 
side of your helmet, and every day is going to be a bad hair day from 
then on for the rest of your life.



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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

That helmet ROCKS 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Those gulls have been busy on your helmet, Leah! Grin.

Great helmet and great color and great non-racer, everyday look!

I shifted to wearing red. It is not the utility worker/bike racer flourescent, 
but the human eye ALWAYS sees it. I first noticed this with the red winged 
blackbird. I could tell them from regular black birds or crows out of the 
corner of my eye without even trying. And that’s just a wee bit a red at the 
wing. Sunny, rainy, foggy, doesn’t matter. The brain just registers red. That 
it will be fun, playful poka-dot red when they look at it will help, then 
they’ll see you dressed in non-racer cloths, and that will help them see you as 
a person on a bike and that is all helpful.

Enjoy! Though, if you need the dog clippers, I only use mine every two months 
or so. We could co-op them. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

The crash Mark experienced can hardly be said to have been the result of 
"risk compensation."  It fits better into the /bad shit happens 
unexpectedly and without warning/ category.  As for statistics, I am 
wholeheartedly with Christopher: /I've hit my head on the ground with 
and without a helmet. I know which I prefer./


On 3/30/19 2:41 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Grant short version: A helmet has some benefit in certain events, which is 
possibly statistically canceled out by risk compensation: The sense that a 
helmet makes you feel safer so you take more risks. He's not anti-helmet.


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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

And/being there/ is more fun when you are /all ther/e, don't you think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Summer Helmet

[Peter Morgano]

i got whatever one was on sale on performance bike, Giro i think. I put a
bunch of reflective tape on it to make it extra cool, haha.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 Get a grip; it's 90+ out there, you want the lightest, most ventilated
 helmet you can find; let someone else worry about how it looks.

 Michael


 On Friday, July 13, 2012 6:14:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's
 warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated
 warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Summer Helmet

[René Sterental]

Take that ultra-vented sci-fi looking helmet and cover it with a
stocking... it will no longer look sci-fi and it will prevent the bugs from
getting tangled in your hair... :-D

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 Get a grip; it's 90+ out there, you want the lightest, most ventilated
 helmet you can find; let someone else worry about how it looks.

 Michael


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 I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's
 warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated
 warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.

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