Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

Patrick "Brain? What brain?" Moore


https://www.popsci.com/navigating-with-gps-is-making-our-brains-lazy

Home 
Navigating with GPS is making our brains lazy


   Close Google Maps to get a mental workout

By Rob Verger  April 4, 2017

Manhattan street map

A map of Manhattan showing a metric called "closeness centrality" that 
describes how connected a street is to the whole larger network of 
streets, with red indicating more connections and blue the opposite.


Kinda Al Sayed and Joao Pinelo Silva

Navigation apps like Google’s Waze reduce the amount of mental power it 
takes to get from one place to another—and researchers can now literally 
see the difference in brain activity. A recent study is helping 
scientists get a better grasp of just how our brain function changes 
when navigating from memory versus following turn-by-turn directions.


To learn more about how our brains process networks like city streets, 
neuroscientists and cognitive scientists from University College London 
(UCL) and other institutions conducted a study in which two dozen 
participants first walked around the London neighborhood of Soho. None 
of the participants were familiar that busy neighborhood, which is a 
“really dense pack of streets with lots of cafes and bars—really 
colorful place,” says Hugo Spiers, the study’s senior author and a 
neuroscientist in the department of behavioral psychology at UCL. The 
subjects then took a test to see how well they’d learned the urban 
landscape. “It’s pointless scanning someone who is completely lost,” he 
says.


The next day, in the lab, the subjects were asked to navigate those 
streets virtually by looking at an interactive film, while an fMRI 
machine monitored their brain activity. (The machine tracked the flow of 
oxygenated blood in their brains, which many scientists consider to be 
an indicator of brain activity.)


Half the time, the participants had to figure out how to get to the 
destination themselves, by pushing buttons when they got to an 
intersection to say which way they wanted to turn. It was “very much as 
if you were in the car with your partner driving, and they just keep 
turning to you and asking which way do we go now?” Spiers says. “It 
wasn’t relaxing.”


The other half of the time, the same participants had a much easier 
task. They were simply told which way to turn at each intersection, much 
like following commands on Google Waze or a GPS unit on the dashboard.


What the investigators found was clear. When participants had to do the 
hard mental work of figuring out which way to turn, the researchers saw 
more activity in the subjects’ hippocampus—a part of the brain 
associated with memory and spatial navigation. Not only that, there was 
a direct connection between the amount of brain activity and how many 
connections (and thus route options) the street at hand had with other 
roads. In short, the more complex the street, the more activity in that 
part of the brain.


The result was like a “rollercoaster of hippocampal activity depending 
on the street network,” Spiers says.


But that wasn’t the case in the scenario that simulated using GPS. In 
fact, the relationship between brain activity and street complexity was 
totally “abolished,” Spiers says, when people were just following 
directions.


They recently published their findings 
 in the journal Nature 
Communications. Past research has pointed towards similar results: taxi 
drivers learning London’s thousands of streets actually gained grey 
matter in their hippocampi 
.


Spiers points out that in an era where getting turn-by-turn directions 
is as easy as looking at a smartphone, something may be lost—just like 
how a muscle you don’t use atrophies. People using a navigation service 
to tell them where to go aren’t stimulating their hippocampus, he says. 
“And that might well not be good for you,” he adds. “It might be better 
to actually give your brain a bit more of a workout.”


Of course, there are obvious benefits to GPS navigation, including a 
considerable reduction in stress, but Spiers hopes to find a balance 
between making navigation easy and teaching us about the environment 
through which we’re moving. He adds: “I’m hoping in the future we’ll 
start making technology that more empowers us.”



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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:05 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”



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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”

I chuckle every time I see this as I crank up the slope of Pikes Peak. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[William Henderson]

Yep, many folks do just that – use Ride Report for quick daily trips and
Strava for longer rides out of town.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> RideReport looks cool. Will I be able to run RideReport and Strava
> simultaneously on my iPhone?  Seems like I should since they would both
> just simple consumers of GPS data.
>
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Updatum:

Been using the biologic bike brain app to track miles.

I like it alot. Easy to use customizable ride screen, ride histories. And I 
just turn it on and put it in my bag while I ride. I use it to record miles and 
then track my weekly miles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

That's one reason I bother with a "smart" phone -- it tracks mileage and
routes and even elevation, but stays demurely in a rear jersey or side
pants pocket, and it basically is one gadget in place of half a dozen --
more if you count computers for each of 4 bikes.

("Smart" phone my ass. Electronic gear is no smarter than a hammer or
window, because the essential element of "smart" -- consciousness or
subjectivity -- is just as much absent -- *essentially* absent. So much for
"AI," unless something happens as happened with "The Head" in CS Lewis's
blackly comic "That Hideous Strength.")

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:

> I personally don't use anything at the moment. I haven't even replaced the
> dead battery in my Cateye wireless or got to the point of mounting on of
> the Trek Time simple cycle computers on any of my bikes. A friend of mine
> that I have been riding with lately uses her Apple iWatch along with her
> Apple iPhone to track our rides using one of the features on it. The phone
> will give a map, but the watch will give distance, time, elevation gain and
> average speed. Gives some other readings also. It is nice that the info is
> available, but not sitting on your handlebar as a distraction. I know there
> are those on the list that are not crazy about a computer sitting on the
> handlebar taking up space or being a distraction.
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Next in the series (https://groups.google.com/for
>> um/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20rider
>> s%7Csort:relevance):
>>
>> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>>
>> I am looking for minimal features:
>>
>> total distance
>> trip distance
>> climbing feet
>>
>>
>> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
>> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>>
>>
>> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on
>> my bike.*
>>
>> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of
>> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

Now wind recording might be worth 83 cents a month. thanks.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:36 PM, SeanMac  wrote:

> I also use the paid version of Cyclometer.  In addition to the benefits
> that Ty spelled out, I believe that the paid version also tracks the
> weather conditions during each ride - temperature, wind speed and direction
> and humidity.  I actually find this information to be interesting.
> Besides, as I recall, the cost of accessing the "Elite" version is only
> about $10 per year.  I figure that this is a pretty small investment for an
> app that I utilize on a frequent basis (and one that is updated fairly
> regularly.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

I hate those g*&^%!@%n voice prompts! But good to know that I'm not missing
much by using the freebie.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Ty Graham  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't like the battery life impact on long rides, but other than that I
> like Cyclemeter on my iphone.
>
> I get the paid version for 2 reasons: I tend to click ads on accident when
> I'm tired. I'm a software guy - I feel like i should pay for software that
> I use.
>
> A feature of the paid version (I think) is the automatic email of a ride
> summary to multiple recipients. I really found this handy as a way to
> update my wife every day while I was on my Pacific Coast trip. She got the
> email and could stop worrying; I could hydrate, shower, eat, and then check
> in at my leisure.
>
> I haven't really found the voice prompts or other paid features to be
> useful.
>
> I did like having all the GPS tracks when I was done to make maps:
> https://flic.kr/p/oPnQoY
>
> I had to use a supplemental battery on some long days to keep my phone
> from draining completely. This was with an iPhone 5s in 2014. I'll update
> with my newer phone and app, once I get some longer rides in this year.
>
> Ty Graham
> Seattle
> 2000 Atlantis
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Next in the series (https://groups.google.com/for
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>>
>> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
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