Re: [RBW] Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Joe Bernard]

The pipe idea is pretty awesome. "Hey, there's a pipe. Let's try it!" 


On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:42:13 PM UTC-8 J L wrote:

> A couple of notes here...
>
> From the picture it doesn’t LOOK like this bike is too big. I don’t see 
> any outlandish attempts to make it fit, super short stem or seat very low 
> and forward, for example. You can decide for yourself, but if you are on 
> the fence, my two cents are that the bike is bigger by the numbers than you 
> would expect, given how well it fits, but it does fit well.
>
> When you install new tires check the tire pressure. You might be surprised 
> are how much difference that makes. The added weight of the pipe could be 
> giving you the same effect that lower tire pressure. 
>
> Also I just want to point out that it is a very respectably weird thing to 
> see a big pipe and decide to strap it to your bike. :) Did I miss something 
> in your original post? What was the logic sequence there?
>
> Jason
> SF,CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[J L]

A couple of notes here...

>From the picture it doesn’t LOOK like this bike is too big. I don’t see any 
>outlandish attempts to make it fit, super short stem or seat very low and 
>forward, for example. You can decide for yourself, but if you are on the 
>fence, my two cents are that the bike is bigger by the numbers than you would 
>expect, given how well it fits, but it does fit well.

When you install new tires check the tire pressure. You might be surprised are 
how much difference that makes. The added weight of the pipe could be giving 
you the same effect that lower tire pressure. 

Also I just want to point out that it is a very respectably weird thing to see 
a big pipe and decide to strap it to your bike. :)  Did I miss something in 
your original post? What was the logic sequence there?

Jason
SF,CA


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Re: [RBW] Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Joe Bernard]

Those Kendas are atrocious. I *gave *somebody a new set and I still think 
they paid too much. 

On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:

> I do still have the Kwik Nines on there.  I've been thinking about 
> changing them...guess I should.  Sometimes on smooth pavement I get a drum 
> roll effect that I believe is caused by the tread pattern on those tires.
>
> Sounds like I should keep the pipe and add a kid or two, though?  Joe, 
> thanks for that term, "road-hugging weight."  That's just how it felt.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 8:41:03 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> If you're still running the stock Kendas, immediately remove them and put 
>> virtually any other tire on there, and it will improve the zippy feeling 
>> greatly. Honestly, those Kenda Kwik Nines are the worst tires I've ever 
>> come across. I suggest after removing you cut them in half, so some other 
>> unknowing person doesn't accidentally use them. OK, maybe being facetious 
>> there, but man, I hate those tires.
>>
>> Eric
>> not a Kwik Nine fan
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:37 PM Jim Whorton  wrote:
>>
> I have a 59cm Clem H that is a little too big for me (I am 6' 1", 89 
>>> PBH).  So I was riding it on some hilly pavement today, thinking what a 
>>> lumbering hulk this bike is and how I need a smaller one.  I came across a 
>>> piece of iron pipe in the road.  I thought, "I need to tie that on my bike 
>>> because it will make everything worse, proving my point."  I tied it on the 
>>> bike and to my confusion, the bike rode more smoothly.  It felt great.  It 
>>> didn't feel faster but it felt easier and just really nice.  Smoother.  The 
>>> simplest explanation is that I am confused and imagining things, because 
>>> adding pounds to my Clem H should not make it nicer to ride.  Butis it 
>>> possible I was not confused?
>>>
>>> I will try to insert a picture.  
>>>
>>> Jim in Rochester
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1544.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Jim Whorton]

I do still have the Kwik Nines on there.  I've been thinking about changing 
them...guess I should.  Sometimes on smooth pavement I get a drum roll 
effect that I believe is caused by the tread pattern on those tires.

Sounds like I should keep the pipe and add a kid or two, though?  Joe, 
thanks for that term, "road-hugging weight."  That's just how it felt.

Jim



On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 8:41:03 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> If you're still running the stock Kendas, immediately remove them and put 
> virtually any other tire on there, and it will improve the zippy feeling 
> greatly. Honestly, those Kenda Kwik Nines are the worst tires I've ever 
> come across. I suggest after removing you cut them in half, so some other 
> unknowing person doesn't accidentally use them. OK, maybe being facetious 
> there, but man, I hate those tires.
>
> Eric
> not a Kwik Nine fan
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:37 PM Jim Whorton  > wrote:
>
>> I have a 59cm Clem H that is a little too big for me (I am 6' 1", 89 
>> PBH).  So I was riding it on some hilly pavement today, thinking what a 
>> lumbering hulk this bike is and how I need a smaller one.  I came across a 
>> piece of iron pipe in the road.  I thought, "I need to tie that on my bike 
>> because it will make everything worse, proving my point."  I tied it on the 
>> bike and to my confusion, the bike rode more smoothly.  It felt great.  It 
>> didn't feel faster but it felt easier and just really nice.  Smoother.  The 
>> simplest explanation is that I am confused and imagining things, because 
>> adding pounds to my Clem H should not make it nicer to ride.  Butis it 
>> possible I was not confused?
>>
>> I will try to insert a picture.  
>>
>> Jim in Rochester
>>
>> [image: IMG_1544.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Eric Floden]

No idea, but will read responses to find out. However, great light, great
pic

thanks

EricF
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Re: [RBW] Weight weenie report. Dia Compe 980 brakes

[David Hays]

Hi Angelo,
In just went out and checked my RB-t. I had gone with Shimano of similar style 
but not exeactly the same as my model and especially tight canti post 
clearances.
I have ordered a set of these for my Appaloosa that’s on it’s way.
I’ll let you know how they are.
David Hays
Williamsville, New York  

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Angelo Gatti  wrote:
> 
> Just saw this as I am in search of canti brakes without having to break the 
> bank with the likes of  Paul's or Velo Orange (as nice as they are...).  I 
> notices the 980's and am wondering what your experience has been with 
> these.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 1:38:49 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> I've got a road build coming up that will use cantilever brakes.  I've got a 
> TON of cantilever brakes in my stash, but even so I decided to buy more.  I 
> really like the super simple, minimalist design of the Dia Compe 980s that 
> Riv now sells.  I decided to buy two bikes worth and I'm going to shape and 
> polish one set.  They seem about as light as cantilever brakes can possibly 
> be, so I decided to do a weigh-off compared to some Paul Touring cantilevers 
> in my parts box.  I weighed two arms, with springs, and with the mounting 
> bolts.  I did not include straddle cables or straddle hangers or brake pads.  
> Arms to arms, the 980s are a few grams lighter 82g vs 91g.  I'll post photos 
> and updated weights after they are polished.  After I've got them on my new 
> build, I'll report back on how well they work.  I like that they are forged, 
> light and cheap.  Hopefully I can polish them pretty, and hopefully they work 
> well.  
> 
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> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Weight weenie

[Dave]

Of course!

On 1/26/2013 8:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

Steely Dan?

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Dave > wrote:


Pretzel logic!

On 1/26/2013 8:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

Finally following up on another lister's suggestion months ago
that I buy a luggage scale to weigh bikes and parts instead of
an expensive bike scale, I received my made-in-China
electronic POS in today's mail and immediately sprinted to the
garage to weigh --- things. Pendo, ergo sunt.

Fargo, with empty Dutch panniers (just back from mail run) and
5 lb of kit in front small Ortlieb: damn if it didn't weight
44.5x lb. My GAWD! I shall try again tomorrow without the
Dutchies, hoping to find that they weigh 15 lb emtpy. And,
man, this is with the lightweight Rhyno Lite/Kojak wheelset!
Heaviest fun bike I've owned. Great for curls, too.

But much relief to find that my '99 gofast with stuffed Jandd
seat pack weights 17.54.

That's an average of 31 lb, which puts me smack in approved
Rivendell territory.

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Re: [RBW] Weight weenie

[PATRICK MOORE]

Steely Dan?

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Pretzel logic!
>
> On 1/26/2013 8:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> Finally following up on another lister's suggestion months ago that I buy
>> a luggage scale to weigh bikes and parts instead of an expensive bike
>> scale, I received my made-in-China electronic POS in today's mail and
>> immediately sprinted to the garage to weigh --- things. Pendo, ergo sunt.
>>
>> Fargo, with empty Dutch panniers (just back from mail run) and 5 lb of
>> kit in front small Ortlieb: damn if it didn't weight 44.5x lb. My GAWD! I
>> shall try again tomorrow without the Dutchies, hoping to find that they
>> weigh 15 lb emtpy. And, man, this is with the lightweight Rhyno Lite/Kojak
>> wheelset! Heaviest fun bike I've owned. Great for curls, too.
>>
>> But much relief to find that my '99 gofast with stuffed Jandd seat pack
>> weights 17.54.
>>
>> That's an average of 31 lb, which puts me smack in approved Rivendell
>> territory.
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Re: [RBW] Weight weenie

[Dave]

Pretzel logic!

On 1/26/2013 8:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
Finally following up on another lister's suggestion months ago that I 
buy a luggage scale to weigh bikes and parts instead of an expensive 
bike scale, I received my made-in-China electronic POS in today's mail 
and immediately sprinted to the garage to weigh --- things. Pendo, 
ergo sunt.


Fargo, with empty Dutch panniers (just back from mail run) and 5 lb of 
kit in front small Ortlieb: damn if it didn't weight 44.5x lb. My 
GAWD! I shall try again tomorrow without the Dutchies, hoping to find 
that they weigh 15 lb emtpy. And, man, this is with the lightweight 
Rhyno Lite/Kojak wheelset! Heaviest fun bike I've owned. Great for 
curls, too.


But much relief to find that my '99 gofast with stuffed Jandd seat 
pack weights 17.54.


That's an average of 31 lb, which puts me smack in approved Rivendell 
territory.


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Re: [RBW] weight wondering

[PATRICK MOORE]

My '03 custom Curt road weighed in at 7 lb for 58 cm frame, fork with long
steerer because made for 571/559 wheels, and Ultegra headset. Final build
with 1X10 came to 18.75 lb with nothing silly-light. 17.75 for the very
similar 57 '99 Joe fixed.

On the other extreme, I have a hard time lifting my Fargo onto the
workstand with one hand.

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:31 PM, ted  wrote:

> OK, I know it's a bit silly to fixate on frame weight, and I apologize
> for raising what may be an unwelcome subject,  but I got to
> wondering 
>
> In a comment on a blog one of the folks from RBW recently stated that
> a Sam Hillborne weighs about 6.5 lbs
> On the RBW product page for the Atlantis it says an Atlantis weighs
> about a pound more than an A Homer Hilsen.
> On the RBW product page for the Sam Hillborne it says they are midway
> between a Hillsen and an Atlantis.
> On the RBW product page for the Roadeo it says a frame (no fork)
> weighs about 4 lbs (ok just under).
> On the RBW product page for the San Marcos it says a frame is about
> 4.5 lbs and a fork is about 1.6 so frame and fork is about 6lbs (ok
> 6.1 but really that .1 is like the weight of a bottle cage difference)
>
> So putting that info together I loosely guestimate that
> Roadeo f&f ~5.5lbs
> AHH f&f ~6lbs
> San Marcos f&f ~6lbs
> Sam Hillborne ~ 6.5lbs.
> Atlantis ~7lbs.
> Which seems to fit all the various statements and sounds fairly
> plausible to me.
>
> Then comes the Bombadil and Hunquapillar (said to use Bomba-stout
> tubing). On the Bombadil page it says a frame (52cm) weights 5.3 to
> 5.5 lbs. Even at the high end of that range with a 1.75lb fork that
> would only be 7.25 lbs for a Bombadil frame and fork. Taking the
> middle of the range for the frame and 1.7 for the fork would give less
> than an eighth of a lb more than my Atlantis guestimate. What with
> thicker walls and more tubes I would have guessed at a larger
> difference than that.
>
> So hey, does anybody know if the Bombadil (and by extension probably
> the Hunqapillar) really only weighs about 1/8lb more than an atlantis?
> Have I botched some of my other guestimates by a quarter pound? Not
> that it really maters but I am sort of curious.
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[dweendaddy]

And friction!

Couldn't you save a (relatively large) amount of weight by having the rear 
cassette be 8 gears? But then that wouldn't be modern, would it?

On Friday, March 2, 2012 8:18:47 PM UTC-6, Aaron Thomas wrote:
>
> Grant might not like how low the bars are, but maybe he'd like the fact it 
> has downtube shifters. Or maybe not
>
> Aaron
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>>
>> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a 
>> whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit. 
>> Stolen later it was. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>>
>>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>>
>>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>>
>>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>>
>>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>>
>>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>>
>>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>>>
>>>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>>
>> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a 
>> whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit. 
>> Stolen later it was. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>>
>>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>>
>>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>>
>>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>>
>>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>>
>>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>>
>>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Scott Henry]

I actually have 2 pairs of those old aerolite pedals and brand new cleats,
I love them.  Willing to sell one pair if anyone is interested.  Started
riding on them back in the eighties, they were my first set of clipless
pedals.  I have since moved on to Look KEO pedals but my aerolites will
forever keep a special place in my heart.  I am keeping at least my one
pair.

Come on light bikes are fun, so are light motorcycles and light cars.  All
for one reason, they go fast.

My fat man bike is fun too.

But its not anywhere near the same thing.
Scott





On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>
> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>
> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>
> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>
> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>
> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>
> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[robert zeidler]

Amen to that.

On Friday, March 2, 2012, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> Grant might not like how low the bars are, but maybe he'd like the fact
it has downtube shifters. Or maybe not
> Aaron
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>>
>> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a
whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit.
Stolen later it was.
>>
>> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>>
>>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>>
>>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>>
>>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>>
>>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>>
>>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>>
>>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>>
>> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a
whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit.
Stolen later it was.
>>
>> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>>
>>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>>
>>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>>
>>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>>
>>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>>
>>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>>
>>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Aaron Thomas]

Grant might not like how low the bars are, but maybe he'd like the fact it 
has downtube shifters. Or maybe not

Aaron

On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>
> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a 
> whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit. 
> Stolen later it was. 
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>
>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>
>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>
>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>
>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>
>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>
>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>>
>>
On Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03:30 PM UTC-8, Brad Gantt wrote:
>
> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a 
> whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit. 
> Stolen later it was. 
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>
>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>
>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>
>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>
>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>
>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>
>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[EricP]

I'd like to think that for my riding, weight might matter.  But it would be 
human rather than bike.  I could easily lose 50 pounds and still be 
considered heavy by most folks.  So while I might like a slightly lighter 
bike, it's not going to make me a better rider by any means.  And wouldn't 
want to strip anything off my Sam Hillborne to get it under 30 pounds.  And 
it would take a lot of work to get it down to that level.  
 
As an aside, it's funny Patrick Moore considers the Fargo heavy, as when I 
had one, it was possibly my lightest bike at around 30 pounds.  Just wish 
it wasn't my failure as a rider that caused me to sell the bike.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 
 

On Friday, March 2, 2012 7:06:06 PM UTC-6, z-man wrote:

> Damn those bars are low!
>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[robert zeidler]

Damn those bars are low!

On Friday, March 2, 2012, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a
whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit.
Stolen later it was.
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>>
>> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>>
>> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
>> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
>> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>>
>> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>>
>> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>>
>> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>>
>> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
>> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Brad Gantt]

I rode Aerolite pedals for about 8 years on various bikes including a 
whippy, thin-walled aluminum Vitus replete with a full Superbe Pro kit. 
Stolen later it was. 

On Friday, March 2, 2012 1:11:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
>
> *And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!
>
> *And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
> these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
> which I'd like to see on this bike.)
>
> *And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!
>
> *And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!
>
> Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.
>
> Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
> "light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[William]

If that's what he means, then, um, OK.  All I said about weight was about 
sweating the grams of chainring bolts.  If Z-man thinks that you start to 
feel the weight of your chainring bolts when you start climbing up a hill, 
then wow. 

Of course weight matters.  I like music, so I'm willing to carry an iPod or 
even a harmonica on my bike.  I'm not willing to carry a piano.  Why? 
 Because it's too heavy.  Weight matters.  

If there was a gravity knob on your bike that allowed you to dial down the 
weight for free, you'd turn it.  Why?  Because lighter is usually better, 
if it's free. 

In real life, light weight usually has its costs.  Either it costs not 
bringing something that you might want, or it costs money, or it costs 
something else like work, or looks, or a perceived downgrade in 
reliability.  Those who say weight doesn't matter are those that are really 
saying "I could go lighter, but don't want to, because of the cost".  

On Friday, March 2, 2012 2:42:14 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> I think what he means:
> Weight doesn't matter so much, until you come to a hill climb...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 14:42 -0800, Leslie wrote:
> I think what he means:
> Weight doesn't matter so much, until you come to a hill climb...
> 

But even there, your weight matters a lot more than the bike's weight.



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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Leslie]

I think what he means:
Weight doesn't matter so much, until you come to a hill climb...

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[PATRICK MOORE]

Behold this: http://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/

*And* it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant!

*And* it has those coveted Aerolite pedals! (Which I have held in
these my little hands but never ridden; have also held a NOS Cyclo,
which I'd like to see on this bike.)

*And* it has a real ass hatchet for the saddle!!!

*And* the bar position will offend Grant!!!

Reviewed by the mighty and wise BSNYC today, who also outs Grant's book.

Patrick "hyperventilating!!!" Moore who arbitrarily draws the line for
"light" at about 20 lb and for "heavy" at about 30 lb. Just 'cause.

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[William]

um..what?  I'm not familiar with that phrase.  

On Friday, March 2, 2012 12:23:50 PM UTC-8, z-man wrote:
>
> Until things go vertical.
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012, William  wrote:
> > Sweating the grams on chainring bolts?  That's an idiosyncrasy
> > Trying to get through life with ONLY ONE BICYCLE?!?!?  That's a major 
> malady 
> > You gotta fix that situation,  STAT!
> >
> > On Friday, March 2, 2012 10:00:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
> >>
> >> I have two, customized, very comfortable and lightweight bikes;
> >> Rivendells, as it happens, both fixed. The gofast (am debating whether
> >> to get it customized into a gearie analogue to the fixed commuter --
> >> we'll see) is indeed fun with its sub 18 lb weight: man, there is
> >> nothing like pushing a 75" gear up a hill with the bike so ligh, and I
> >> generally ride in rolling and windy conditions. The question here is
> >> whether this fun will outweigh the alternative fun of a light, gearie
> >> commuter to complement the fixie one -- one regrets having only one
> >> gear when the winds gust to 40 as they have been.
> >>
> >> The fixie one weighed about 23 lb when I weighed it on a rather
> >> doubtful hanging scale, this with Kojaks, frame pump, lighting, rear
> >> rack and kit but no panniers. It sure feels fast and easy to ride
> >> after I get off my Fargo or the trike!
> >>
> >> The Fargo, with fenders, heavy kit bag, lighting and pump and the
> >> SnoCat/Big Apple wheelset weighs north of 30 lb but my scale won't go
> >> that high; it feels -- heavy, particularly on hills but the low gear
> >> makes hills feel easy. I guess that the Kojak (folding)/Sun Rhyno
> >> wheelset (also dynamo) saves some 3 lb at least, so with that wheelset
> >> I'd guess 30 lb with the heavy kitbag on the bar, again, no panniers.
> >>
> >> The fun of the tank-like Fargo is of course that I can ride it over
> >> everything: if my vertigo (inner ear problem leading to dizziness and
> >> nausea for the last couple of days) gets better, I want to go for
> >> another extended dirt ride in the Bosque.
> >>
> >> The trike is about 28 lb I estimate with lighting, pump but no bags or
> >> kit -- the kit goes in the Hoss.
> >>
> >> The Herse was a tank but felt fast, tho' hill climbing was hard to
> >> gauge as low gears meant that climbing felt so easy.
> >>
> >> The light bikes are ceteris paribus more fun to ride; one ceterum is
> >> the fit: the Rivs just fit better than the Fargo and trike (tho' the
> >> Herse fit as well), but leaving that aside and getting back to the
> >> para, they feel more nimble in accelerating and certainly when
> >> climbing; the also are easier to throw around, as much as one can do
> >> this on fixed gears, and tho' of course other factors probably trump
> >> here.
> >>
> >> The Rivs are also far more expensive than the others but for me, the
> >> extra cost is worth having the best of customization, comfort and
> >> light weight.
> >>
> >> To sum up my experience (over 50 years of riding, 35+ as an adult) I'd
> >> say that weight does matter: more than some things but not as much as
> >> other things.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Patrick in VT  
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > not sure i agree - lightweight, uncomfortable and uncustomizable
> >> > aren't tied together.  I'm sure a Roadeo could build up into a very
> >> > comfortable, sub 20lbs bike.  and light bikes are fun!  don't need to
> >> > be a "top rider" (what is that anyway?!) to appreciate a bike that's
> >> > easy to push around.
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Albuquerque, NM
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> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW
> >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[robert zeidler]

Until things go vertical.

On Friday, March 2, 2012, William  wrote:
> Sweating the grams on chainring bolts?  That's an idiosyncrasy
> Trying to get through life with ONLY ONE BICYCLE?!?!?  That's a major
malady
> You gotta fix that situation,  STAT!
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 10:00:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I have two, customized, very comfortable and lightweight bikes;
>> Rivendells, as it happens, both fixed. The gofast (am debating whether
>> to get it customized into a gearie analogue to the fixed commuter --
>> we'll see) is indeed fun with its sub 18 lb weight: man, there is
>> nothing like pushing a 75" gear up a hill with the bike so ligh, and I
>> generally ride in rolling and windy conditions. The question here is
>> whether this fun will outweigh the alternative fun of a light, gearie
>> commuter to complement the fixie one -- one regrets having only one
>> gear when the winds gust to 40 as they have been.
>>
>> The fixie one weighed about 23 lb when I weighed it on a rather
>> doubtful hanging scale, this with Kojaks, frame pump, lighting, rear
>> rack and kit but no panniers. It sure feels fast and easy to ride
>> after I get off my Fargo or the trike!
>>
>> The Fargo, with fenders, heavy kit bag, lighting and pump and the
>> SnoCat/Big Apple wheelset weighs north of 30 lb but my scale won't go
>> that high; it feels -- heavy, particularly on hills but the low gear
>> makes hills feel easy. I guess that the Kojak (folding)/Sun Rhyno
>> wheelset (also dynamo) saves some 3 lb at least, so with that wheelset
>> I'd guess 30 lb with the heavy kitbag on the bar, again, no panniers.
>>
>> The fun of the tank-like Fargo is of course that I can ride it over
>> everything: if my vertigo (inner ear problem leading to dizziness and
>> nausea for the last couple of days) gets better, I want to go for
>> another extended dirt ride in the Bosque.
>>
>> The trike is about 28 lb I estimate with lighting, pump but no bags or
>> kit -- the kit goes in the Hoss.
>>
>> The Herse was a tank but felt fast, tho' hill climbing was hard to
>> gauge as low gears meant that climbing felt so easy.
>>
>> The light bikes are ceteris paribus more fun to ride; one ceterum is
>> the fit: the Rivs just fit better than the Fargo and trike (tho' the
>> Herse fit as well), but leaving that aside and getting back to the
>> para, they feel more nimble in accelerating and certainly when
>> climbing; the also are easier to throw around, as much as one can do
>> this on fixed gears, and tho' of course other factors probably trump
>> here.
>>
>> The Rivs are also far more expensive than the others but for me, the
>> extra cost is worth having the best of customization, comfort and
>> light weight.
>>
>> To sum up my experience (over 50 years of riding, 35+ as an adult) I'd
>> say that weight does matter: more than some things but not as much as
>> other things.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Patrick in VT 
wrote:
>>
>> > not sure i agree - lightweight, uncomfortable and uncustomizable
>> > aren't tied together.  I'm sure a Roadeo could build up into a very
>> > comfortable, sub 20lbs bike.  and light bikes are fun!  don't need to
>> > be a "top rider" (what is that anyway?!) to appreciate a bike that's
>> > easy to push around.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Moore
>> Albuquerque, NM
>> For professional resumes, contact
>> Patrick Moore, ACRW
>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Ryan Ray]

Thanks the responses. Consider me off the ledge but still investigating the 
possibility of a more stripped down bike. The pictured bike is my one and 
only and as set up serves me well in that regard. City riding, work out 
rides, 80+ mile all day fun rides, hauling the kid to school in the 
trailer, that tour I keep putting off...

- Ryan




On Friday, March 2, 2012 11:12:04 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
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> The only question is "how does it ride?"
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> Everything else is just noise.
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Re: [RBW] Weight

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The only question is "how does it ride?"

Everything else is just noise.

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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Andrew]

How much does it weigh when you take the growlers out?

- Andrew, Berkeley

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RE: [RBW] Weight

[Joe Bartoe]

Just be cautious. when bike are weighed for spec purposes, the bikes are 
usually bare of any accoutrements-no bottle cages, no bags, no computers, no 
fenders, no pedals.

I weighed my rear bag after a brevet once and found that it alone weighed 10lbs 
with all the stuff I had in it. Add a couple lights and an 18 lb bike and you 
get to 30+ pretty easily.

Joe

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 23:15:37 -0800
From: ryanr...@gmail.com
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Subject: [RBW] Weight

I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35 lbs. 
THIRTY. FIVE.
It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike (well 
it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump, an acorn 
bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream 






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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Peter Morgano]

Last time I had the scale out I weighed my Hilsen, came in at a cool 36lbs,
haha. When I think of how much I weigh and what a joy it is to ride it I
dont even think twice about it. I used to ride plastic bikes but like many
would agree unless you are one of the "top riders" there really is no point
being on a lightweight uncomfortable and uncustomizable bike.   A friend I
used to ride with has gone down this dark path and sadly today asked me if
he changed his chainring bolts to titanium how much weight could he save!!!
Its a slippery slope people!

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM, jimD  wrote:

>
> It only matters if it matters to the beholder.
> -JimD
> Who's afraid to weigh his bikes and then become obsessed with the whole
> problem and end up
> on some slippery slope.
>
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:13 AM, robert zeidler wrote:
>
> People will say it doesn't.
> But it does matter.
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012, Matthew Hoult  wrote:
> > Not astronomical.  My guess is the bike accounts for ~25 of those lbs
> and the bag, pump, rack and tools for the remaining ~10 lbs.
> >
> > It's a touring bike.  It is supposed to be a little weighty.  I'd worry
> if it wasn't.  The bike looks very nice and very ride-able in all the
> pictures.  You've set it up nicely, sensibly.  I see no bricks strapped to
> the frame.
> >
> >
> > On 2 March 2012 02:15, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35
> lbs. THIRTY. FIVE.
> >> It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike
> (well it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump,
> an acorn bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
> >> It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[jimD]

It only matters if it matters to the beholder.
-JimD
Who's afraid to weigh his bikes and then become obsessed with the whole problem 
and end up
on some slippery slope.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:13 AM, robert zeidler wrote:

> People will say it doesn't.
> But it does matter. 
> 
> On Friday, March 2, 2012, Matthew Hoult  wrote:
> > Not astronomical.  My guess is the bike accounts for ~25 of those lbs and 
> > the bag, pump, rack and tools for the remaining ~10 lbs. 
> >
> > It's a touring bike.  It is supposed to be a little weighty.  I'd worry if 
> > it wasn't.  The bike looks very nice and very ride-able in all the 
> > pictures.  You've set it up nicely, sensibly.  I see no bricks strapped to 
> > the frame.
> >
> >
> > On 2 March 2012 02:15, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35 
> >> lbs. THIRTY. FIVE.
> >> It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike 
> >> (well it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump, 
> >> an acorn bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
> >> It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream 
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[jimD]

Weight?
It's all in the rear of the beholder.  ;>)

Don't worry.
Remain calm.
Ride your bike.

If you have fun riding the bike who cares? I've heard it is possible to develop 
a syndrome where one
worries incessantly about how much their bike weighs.
That's when the real trouble starts.

-JImD

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

> I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35 lbs. 
> THIRTY. FIVE.
> 
> It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike (well 
> it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump, an acorn 
> bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
> 
> It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[robert zeidler]

People will say it doesn't.
But it does matter.

On Friday, March 2, 2012, Matthew Hoult  wrote:
> Not astronomical.  My guess is the bike accounts for ~25 of those lbs and
the bag, pump, rack and tools for the remaining ~10 lbs.
>
> It's a touring bike.  It is supposed to be a little weighty.  I'd worry
if it wasn't.  The bike looks very nice and very ride-able in all the
pictures.  You've set it up nicely, sensibly.  I see no bricks strapped to
the frame.
>
>
> On 2 March 2012 02:15, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>> I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35
lbs. THIRTY. FIVE.
>> It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike
(well it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump,
an acorn bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
>> It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Weight

[Matthew Hoult]

Not astronomical.  My guess is the bike accounts for ~25 of those lbs and
the bag, pump, rack and tools for the remaining ~10 lbs.

It's a touring bike.  It is supposed to be a little weighty.  I'd worry if
it wasn't.  The bike looks very nice and very ride-able in all the
pictures.  You've set it up nicely, sensibly.  I see no bricks strapped to
the frame.


On 2 March 2012 02:15, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I have a 64cm road bike and I just made the mistake of weighing it. 35
> lbs. THIRTY. FIVE.
>
> It seems astronomical but is it? It's not like I have a dutch city bike
> (well it IS Dutch but a touring bike). Is 35lbs excessive? I kept my pump,
> an acorn bag, patch equipment and tools and fenders all on it.
>
> It's the same bike Iv'e posted before...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/6747584237/in/photostream
>
>
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