RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs. It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll try again. The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Joe Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs. It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll try again. The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
It does seem like a lot of trouble. Maybe it was a test case and if it worked they were going to do a bunch of them? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Joe Bartoe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:04 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Joe _ Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs. It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll try again. The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] dat funky Riv
Maybe I am, no wait, I _am_ naive and gullible, but it feels to me like the guy who's selling the bike has no idea it may not be a Rivendell. Probably because the person who sold it to him told him it was a Rivendell. Or maybe the owner before that. Looking at it, I sure don't know enough about lug styles or allowable paint jobs to determine it was a fake. You'd have to be way into the history and lore to have that knowledge, and my guess is that that level of knowledge and enthusiasm only comes _after_ you own a Rivendell or four. Rob in Seattle On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote: It does seem like a lot of trouble. Maybe it was a test case and if it worked they were going to do a bunch of them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] dat funky Riv
on 7/13/10 11:43 AM, Rob Harrison at robha...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I am, no wait, I _am_ naive and gullible, but it feels to me like the guy who's selling the bike has no idea it may not be a Rivendell. Probably because the person who sold it to him told him it was a Rivendell. Or maybe the owner before that. Looking at it, I sure don't know enough about lug styles or allowable paint jobs to determine it was a fake. You'd have to be way into the history and lore to have that knowledge, and my guess is that that level of knowledge and enthusiasm only comes _after_ you own a Rivendell or four. I do think it's important not to ascribe or imply malicious intent. Few of us are likely to know the seller's backstory, etc. The only thing that was ringing in my brain was something Grant wrote a while back in a Reader (and I think it was echoed a few times in various Catalogs, etc., but I'm at work and don't have time to dig through them right now) where he said something along the lines that he wanted to build bikes that could be missing paint, decals and show years of use, but someone would be able to recognize them as a Rivendell. It definitely seemed like it was, at best, an outlier in that spectrum. It's been interesting to hear more of the facts now. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
