[TANKS] Re: Tank Diesel Sound

[Paul Hilton]

These Benedini sound modules seem popular in Europe:

http://www.benedini.de/Home_E/home_e.html

Paul H.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: [TANKS] Tank Diesel Sound


> 
> One of our members in Spain would like to know where he can purchase a 
> mechanism to play a diesel engine sound in his tank.  Anyone have 
> experience with such things?
> 
> Frank P.
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[TANKS] Press Release from the Arrowhead Skunk Works

[Derek Engelhaupt]

PRESS RELEASE - Arrowhead News Organization (ARO) - August 11th, 2009

Today in an undisclosed, secret location testing of a new supply vehicle was
conducted
by the organization calling themselves the "Arrowhead Skunk Works" or ASW
for short.
The attached video feed shows this new vehicle being tested at the ASW's
testing grounds
in northern Minnesota.  Many Botham spies were detained and forced to watch
old episodes
of Barney the purple dragon in obtaining this footage.  The footage shows
what looks to be
an M113A3 Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) being put through it's paces on
some of the
roughest terrain northern Minnesota can dish out.  Although the tests looked
to be somewhat
successful, it looks like the ASW has some more work to do to ensure their
new vehicle is a
force to be reckoned with on the modern battlefield.  This news agency was
able to secure an
exclusive interview with a representative of the ASW who only referred to
himself as SGT. MP.
He would not disclose his real name or position in the company.  When asked
how the testing
was going SGT. MP first tried to deny the existence of such a vehicle or
that any testing of any
kind were being conducted at his facility, but after a few beers and showing
him the footage the
ARO had clandestinely obtained SGT. MP began to talk.  At first he started
ranting about how
his father didn't show him any love as a child and how his mother had left
them for a traveling
vacuum salesman when he was six years old, but another couple of rounds got
him back on
topic with regards to the new vehicle.  The video shows that the M113A3 is
quite capable of
handling any battling terrain encountered in previous skirmishes, but also
shows failures of
several key systems when pushed beyond what would normally be expected in a
battle.  SGT.
MP commented, "there will always be stuff that will break when testing a new
vehicle."
Additionally he said, "tracks and motor mounts can be fixed, people are much
harder to mend."
Once again, this reporter thinks he was referring to his own hardships as a
child.  When asked
what was the reason for the additional military build up SGT. MP stated that
it was related to
some recent press releases about new vehicles being designated by the
Spanish.  He kept
saying that the "Spanish Armada" was "comin' for us" and we needed to be
prepared.  With the
recent need for additional UN troops and support around the world the ARO
asked why this
vehicle didn't sport the UN white paint scheme.  His reply was simply,
"those UN guys are wimps.
We at the ASW pick a side and get paid for our work.  And we get paid
well."  The question was
then posed about where the loyalties of the ASW lie, but it seems the beer
had finally caught up
with SGT. MP as his head came to a rest on the bar with a loud thump.  The
interview was over.
It seems that despite the fact that the ASW's new vehicle broke a motor
mount, threw a track, and
broke several track pads they are confident that the problems are minor.
Being that the new
M113A3 has speed, a large payload capacity, a defensive rating of 2, and a
lack of loyalty to any
single party, it is apparent to this reporter that this new vehicle could
turn the tide of any battle it
is involved in.

Derek (vid is coming tomorrow, just couldn't wait)
T065

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[TANKS] Re: New supply vehicle on the horizon

[Derek Engelhaupt]

The one I would build if I built one would be the most square turret which
is
the Saladin FSV turret variant of the Aussie Army.  Did you already have a
turret constructed Joe?  Heck yeah I'd be interested.  I have a suitable
turret
rotate mechanism and an extra CS-80 servo for the elevate.

I wonder if the GT2000 marker you sold me a while back would be small
enough to fit inside?  By the way, an update on it's maiden journey and vid
is on the way.  I just have to get them edited and uploaded.  My stupid
satellite internet limits my uploads due to their "far use policy".  Full
press
release is forthcoming.

Derek
T065

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Joe Sommer  wrote:

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> On Jul 8, 4:26 pm, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:
> > It is of course an M113A3 to be used as a supply vehicle or
> > possibly I will construct two tops, one with a turret and
> > one without.
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> Which turret (Saladin, Scorpion, Bradley, other) ?
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> Are you interested in beta-testing a prototype
> Saladin turret to create an Aussie Fire Support
> Vehicle (FSV)?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_the_M113_armored_personnel_carrier
> http://www.defence.gov.au/army/awma_mus/Picture_Galleries.asp
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> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Armoured_Corps_Tank_Museum
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> Joe
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[TANKS] Re: New supply vehicle on the horizon

[Joe Sommer]

On Jul 8, 4:26 pm, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:
> It is of course an M113A3 to be used as a supply vehicle or
> possibly I will construct two tops, one with a turret and
> one without.

Which turret (Saladin, Scorpion, Bradley, other) ?

Are you interested in beta-testing a prototype
Saladin turret to create an Aussie Fire Support
Vehicle (FSV)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_the_M113_armored_personnel_carrier
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/awma_mus/Picture_Galleries.asp
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Armoured_Corps_Tank_Museum

Joe
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[TANKS] Re: Tank Diesel Sound

[Mike Mane]

Perhaps he could make a reciprocating device connected to the  
crankshaft which rattles in a tin can. That way (with a little trial  
and error) it could produce a constant, realistic sound with no  
electricity and will alter pitch with the throttle.

—Mike Måne

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On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Frank Pittelli   
wrote:

>
> One of our members in Spain would like to know where he can purchase a
> mechanism to play a diesel engine sound in his tank.  Anyone have
> experience with such things?
>
>Frank P.
>
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[TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067

[Ben Holko]

no spring, rubber, or otherwise at this stage, I haven't driven it yet with 
these guards, but they swing freely so I expect they will move a bit when going 
up/down hill or over obstacles etc



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Sent: Wed 12/08/2009 10:01 AM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067




It looks good! Fantastic job. Will it swing with its own weight, or 
will you have a spring or rubber strip to buffer the movement?

-Mike Måne

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On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:28 PM, "Ben Holko"  wrote:

> I dont think I will lock them in either position, they just swing 
> freely so obstacles such as exit angles should just push them out of 
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> From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com on behalf of Derek Engelhaupt
> Sent: Wed 12/08/2009 2:32 AM
> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067
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> Those are nice.  I keep debating whether or not to do some fully 
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> rear mud guards like that for my Sturmtiger.  Are you going to have 
> a way
> to lock them in the up position?  I say that because with some of 
> the obsticles
> I've climbed with the Sturmtiger, they may affect the entry of exit 
> angles when
> they are down.
>
> Derek
> T065
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[TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067

[Mike Mane]

It looks good! Fantastic job. Will it swing with its own weight, or  
will you have a spring or rubber strip to buffer the movement?

—Mike Måne

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On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:28 PM, "Ben Holko"  wrote:

> I dont think I will lock them in either position, they just swing  
> freely so obstacles such as exit angles should just push them out of  
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> From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com on behalf of Derek Engelhaupt
> Sent: Wed 12/08/2009 2:32 AM
> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067
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> Those are nice.  I keep debating whether or not to do some fully  
> functional
> rear mud guards like that for my Sturmtiger.  Are you going to have  
> a way
> to lock them in the up position?  I say that because with some of  
> the obsticles
> I've climbed with the Sturmtiger, they may affect the entry of exit  
> angles when
> they are down.
>
> Derek
> T065
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[TANKS] Re: My Little Bulldog

[Mike Mane]

It sounds great! What programme did you use to draw the image you  
attached? I've been trying to use Google Sketchup but it is a pain in  
the back.

—Mike Måne

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On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:54 AM, George Mastoras   
wrote:

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> Sorry sorry, did it again,forgot how to start a thread, apologies,
> Clean up in isle 2
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> On 11/8/09 4:46 PM, "George Mastoras"  wrote:
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>> Today I bought the first item for my new tank.
>> 4 x 5/8 plate sprockets. Intend to do exactly what I did on my  
>> earlier
>> bulldog and pay someone to lathe 2 hubs for me.  Profile is in pic.  
>> This is
>> the only time I have payed someone to work on my tank but the  
>> result are
>> worth it.
>>
>> I have been making progress on my drawings. Attached is a jpeg of  
>> some of
>> the pics. The hull is almost done, have to add the dimensions of the
>> sprockets which are a little larger than scale so will see if I  
>> need to make
>> adjustments.
>> Have to set the offset for the torsion rods but have to design a  
>> bracket to
>> hold the road wheel arms first.
>> Am still working in 1/35 scale in my drawings, will wait till I  
>> actually get
>> all the wheels, so I can make adjustment when I move to scale  
>> dimensions. At
>> the moment the scale is 1/6.4, yes a fraction and a decimal together,
>> outrageous.
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>> Last night I came up with a new addition to my track design, in the  
>> pic you
>> can see the initial design, they are steel triangles on the track  
>> so it
>> would have good wear resistance, would have liked to somehow add a  
>> cleat on
>> the centre pads but I might be using plastic this time so cant glue  
>> to it
>> but still I think they look pretty good and a little like a bulldog.
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>> I generally work like this a lot but I usually go off on a tangent  
>> and start
>> building by eye. This time I wont build anything unless its drawn  
>> first.
>> This has been enjoyable so far, have not really done anything but I  
>> feel
>> like I have made a lot of progress.
>>
>> Tomorrow I drop off the sprockets to get lathed. Woohoo
>> Next week I might have a hull
>>
>> George
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[TANKS] Re: Tank Diesel Sound

[Ben Holko]

here is the info I posted a little while back on the unit I am using:
 
> It's just routine man, Tigers turn their engines over for like 20 minutes 
> every three/four hours...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVCgvvdvx34 

 


> RAM38 Gas/Diesel sound generator from www.ramrcandramtrack.com

> this is running in diesel mode, idle and top rpm is adjustable, not a bad 
> unit, and at the right price too :)
 
 



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Sent: Wed 12/08/2009 8:45 AM
To: R/C Tank Combat
Subject: [TANKS] Tank Diesel Sound




One of our members in Spain would like to know where he can purchase a
mechanism to play a diesel engine sound in his tank.  Anyone have
experience with such things?

Frank P.





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[TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067

[Ben Holko]

I dont think I will lock them in either position, they just swing freely so 
obstacles such as exit angles should just push them out of the way



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Sent: Wed 12/08/2009 2:32 AM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067


Those are nice.  I keep debating whether or not to do some fully functional 
rear mud guards like that for my Sturmtiger.  Are you going to have a way 
to lock them in the up position?  I say that because with some of the obsticles 
I've climbed with the Sturmtiger, they may affect the entry of exit angles when 
they are down.

Derek
T065


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Modena  wrote:


I have found some time to get the rear mudflaps together, hinged and
foldable just like the real thing, next up will be the front body
panels and the track guards






























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[TANKS] Tank Diesel Sound

[Frank Pittelli]

One of our members in Spain would like to know where he can purchase a 
mechanism to play a diesel engine sound in his tank.  Anyone have 
experience with such things?

Frank P.

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[TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067

[Tango71]

That is awesome. Good work! I will be doing that to my Tiger II
Thinking of hard rubber though since I plan to run in to many
obstacles.

On Aug 11, 4:24 am, Modena  wrote:
> I have found some time to get the rear mudflaps together, hinged and  
> foldable just like the real thing, next up will be the front body  
> panels and the track guards
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>  Rear MudFlaps 01.JPG
> 287KViewDownload
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[TANKS] Re: {Disarmed} more "little tank" stuff...

[HV]

How ell do these little tanks drive on a lawn, say grass 4 or 5 in.
tall?

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[TANKS] Re: #SV015 type Suspension

[Derek Engelhaupt]

What I have found in my builds and this is just my personal experience
with the suspensions on my M113 and Sturmtiger is that the frontmost
and rearmost suspension arms are using a higher spring rate than the
middle wheels.  That keeps my vehicles level while starting and stopping.
It also helps with climbing keeping the front or rear a little higher giving
it
more clearence as the obsticle is breached.  Some of this is dependant
on the type of track being used and how tight the track is.

Derek
T065

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Cold comfort  wrote:

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> Hi Jeremy, I don't know much about this type of suspension, but I
> think you would divide the weight of the tank by the number of torsion
> bars to find out the weight going on each bar not the number of
> wheels. As well I think that the final weight of the tiger will be
> heavier than you think. The batteries to run a tiger are going to be
> heavy. Anyway keep us posted I would like to use this suspension type
> in a future build, just waiting for everyone else to work out the
> kinks ; )
> Greg
>
> On Aug 9, 10:16 pm, Jeremy Caylor  wrote:
> > Hello all! I've been lurking on the site for about 3 years now and had
> > started a Tiger 1 about 2 years back but it had to be put on hiatus
> > because of money issues. I doubt anyone will remember, but I posted
> > some pics of the build on the mailing list a while back. Anyways, I
> > just recently got back into it and decided that I am going to start
> > working on it again. I've been playing with many suspension ideas and
> > I saw for the #SV015, it has a very simple torsion-type suspension,
> > pretty much what I want for my Tiger. Now my question is, what
> > thickness of piano wire steel do you think I should use to support the
> > heavier Tiger? I'm using 3/4" ply all around for the chassis and it's
> > going to be pretty heavy... I'm guessing around 100-120lbs once its
> > done. So that divided by 16 road wheels equals roughly 7.5lbs that
> > each wheel will have to support. Any advice? I'm guessing about the
> > same thickness of wire (5/32) used for the SV015, seeing as how it has
> > a third less wheels to spread the weight out. I ship out for boot camp
> > on the 21st of Sept, so the tank may have to sit during my time in the
> > Corps, but I'm just trying to get a little more done on it. Thanks!
> >
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[TANKS] Re: Bit of work on T067

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Those are nice.  I keep debating whether or not to do some fully functional
rear mud guards like that for my Sturmtiger.  Are you going to have a way
to lock them in the up position?  I say that because with some of the
obsticles
I've climbed with the Sturmtiger, they may affect the entry of exit angles
when
they are down.

Derek
T065

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Modena  wrote:

> I have found some time to get the rear mudflaps together, hinged and
> foldable just like the real thing, next up will be the front body
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[TANKS] Re: #SV015 type Suspension

[Cold comfort]

Hi Jeremy, I don't know much about this type of suspension, but I
think you would divide the weight of the tank by the number of torsion
bars to find out the weight going on each bar not the number of
wheels. As well I think that the final weight of the tiger will be
heavier than you think. The batteries to run a tiger are going to be
heavy. Anyway keep us posted I would like to use this suspension type
in a future build, just waiting for everyone else to work out the
kinks ; )
Greg

On Aug 9, 10:16 pm, Jeremy Caylor  wrote:
> Hello all! I've been lurking on the site for about 3 years now and had
> started a Tiger 1 about 2 years back but it had to be put on hiatus
> because of money issues. I doubt anyone will remember, but I posted
> some pics of the build on the mailing list a while back. Anyways, I
> just recently got back into it and decided that I am going to start
> working on it again. I've been playing with many suspension ideas and
> I saw for the #SV015, it has a very simple torsion-type suspension,
> pretty much what I want for my Tiger. Now my question is, what
> thickness of piano wire steel do you think I should use to support the
> heavier Tiger? I'm using 3/4" ply all around for the chassis and it's
> going to be pretty heavy... I'm guessing around 100-120lbs once its
> done. So that divided by 16 road wheels equals roughly 7.5lbs that
> each wheel will have to support. Any advice? I'm guessing about the
> same thickness of wire (5/32) used for the SV015, seeing as how it has
> a third less wheels to spread the weight out. I ship out for boot camp
> on the 21st of Sept, so the tank may have to sit during my time in the
> Corps, but I'm just trying to get a little more done on it. Thanks!
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[TANKS] Re: New supply vehicle on the horizon

[Pete Curran]

Derek

 

Looking good,

A very simple looking and straight forward looking build

 

Must get back to my builds

 

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Subject: [TANKS] Re: New supply vehicle on the horizon

 

More progress tonight.  Tracks up testing is complete and nothing smoked.  
All the battery wiring in the pics is just temporary.  I will clean it up
after I 
run it outside tomorrow.  The empty slots in the hull are for extra
batteries 
to increase the run time if needed.  It's running at 24V off two 7AH
batteries.  
I'll try and get some vids of it running.  I built a cover out of foamed PVC
board 
for the Vantec RDFR38E ESC and attached an 80mm fan to it.  That's what 
mounted on the floor of the hull in the center below all the other
electronics.  
Keeps it nice and cool.  And here are the pics:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM04a.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM03a.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM01a.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM02a.jpg

Derek
T065

 





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[TANKS] Re: New supply vehicle on the horizon

[Modena]

come on with vid!


On Aug 11, 4:40 pm, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:
> More progress tonight.  Tracks up testing is complete and nothing smoked.
> All the battery wiring in the pics is just temporary.  I will clean it up
> after I
> run it outside tomorrow.  The empty slots in the hull are for extra
> batteries
> to increase the run time if needed.  It's running at 24V off two 7AH
> batteries.
> I'll try and get some vids of it running.  I built a cover out of foamed PVC
> board
> for the Vantec RDFR38E ESC and attached an 80mm fan to it.  That's what
> mounted on the floor of the hull in the center below all the other
> electronics.
> Keeps it nice and cool.  And here are the pics:
>
> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM04...http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM03...http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM01...http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s265/nitzerebbhead/M113A3/IM02...
>
> Derek
> T065
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[TANKS] {Disarmed} more "little tank" stuff...

[Paul Hilton]

- Original Message - 
From: Dana Lowell 
To: armornutsrcarmor...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:40 PM
Subject: [Armornut's RC Armor Hut] Re: Summer fun at the AAF Tank Museum 
"Cook-out" today


  Glad you were in the area Bob. I have some video of the first Tamiya KV-1's 
in action, (below). 

1) Thanks to Doug for hosting!
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809a.jpg

2) It was a good Summer gathering. I hope we do it again!
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809b.jpg

3) And thanks to Doug for letting me experiment with a place for us to stand 
centerfield:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809d.jpg

4) This little "sidewalk" gave us a closer vantage point to battle across the 
river.
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809g.jpg

5) Plus Doug made a simple electronic "landmine" for the field:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809p.jpg

6) When a tank drives over the micro-switch, the buzzer sounds and you are 
dead. Ironically, even though I watched him put the mine in place, later in the 
day I was the only tanker to hit the frackin' mine! Notice the buzzer hidden in 
the bushes:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809q.jpg

7) Speaking of Doug, he showed off a cool metal hull mod for the HL Panzer III:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809l.jpg

8) It is from AsiaTam, (whoever they are), and has beefier spring suspension:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809k.jpg

9) It was a typical bad day for my "Mostly Broken" Jumbo. The out-drive broke!
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809h.jpg

10) It was an all-metal gearbox from Impact, and the drive axel broke right in 
two!
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809i.jpg

11) Apparently the shaft was weakened where they scored it to hold the E-clip 
in place:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809j.jpg

12) The big news of the day was the two brand new Tamiya KV-1 tanks. Luckily, 
James and Dale let me drive them a while. Here's a close-up of James' tank 
after I got it nice and dirty for the first time! The short barrel allows for 
easy city fighting.
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809c.jpg

13) The engine start-up SF/X are cool! At full speed the KV-1 sounds like a 
vacuum cleaner, and at slow speed you can hear a "clanking" of metal tracks. 
Although the sound is rather muffled by the sealed hull. So to let the sound 
out better, I recommend cutting out those two hull exhausts under the turret 
bustle before covering the holes with the photo-etched grills. Here is the back 
of Dale's tank:
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809m.jpg

14) The tracks are 1-3/4" wide, just like the Tiger I, so it handles well in 
dirt. And even after 8 hits, I was still able to climb up a hill with it! 
Here's a peak inside. (You can see it a little better on my video, below).
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809n.jpg

15) One other mod that Dale suggests on the KV-1 is to fabricate a hull 
stiffener for the bow end. Because the torquing of the idler arms causes the 
thin hull to warp inwards, as seen in this photo. (Maybe our friend Daryl can 
invent a good fix someday!)
http://www.lowell.to/tanks/cookout809o.jpg

I just loved that new Tamiya KV-1 monster. It was a big hit at the museum 
Saturday. The KV-1 feels like a motorboat as it floats across the battlefield. 
I hope to get one as soon as I can! 

Well, thanks again to James and Dale for the test drives all day! And I 
especially want to thank Doug Gasser again for putting the food together and 
hosting a fun gathering for the regulars at Danville. -Dana

Here is a link to my YouTube video of Doug's cookout: 
http://www.youtube.com/user/heatarmor



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