[TANKS] Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Mark_123521
Has anyone tried this?

I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1 Abrams.
Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and feed
system.

Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
shoot the paintball through a hose?
The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would be
mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed mounted
and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.

I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
This would allow some room to pass the hose through.

I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything to
make the hose idea work.

Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break up
going through the curves??

Mark

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Re: [TANKS] Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing the
internal
space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to feed
the top
of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of hoses that
wouldn't
do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You would need
some bend
in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having issues
fitting my
magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the turret.
My problem
is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that much
elevation, but I
have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two is
causing the issues.
I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets within a
couple of feet of the
tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun doesn't
always work for the
raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if I'll
solve the problem before
I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job for a
year in Afghanistan).

Derek
T065

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent the
 ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
 journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
 out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
 straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the curved,
 flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
 hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1, Line
 'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
 paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
 elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the gun.


 -Mike M.

 On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  Has anyone tried this?
 
  I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1 Abrams.
  Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and feed
  system.
 
  Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
  shoot the paintball through a hose?
  The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would be
  mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
  The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed mounted
  and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
  The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.
 
  I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
  This would allow some room to pass the hose through.
 
  I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything to
  make the hose idea work.
 
  Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break up
  going through the curves??
 
  Mark
 
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[TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Mark_123521
Derek:

  I thought Blackwater was out of business!
What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
required to kill me?

Mark

On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
 The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing the
 internal
 space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to feed
 the top
 of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of hoses that
 wouldn't
 do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You would need
 some bend
 in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having issues
 fitting my
 magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the turret.
 My problem
 is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that much
 elevation, but I
 have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two is
 causing the issues.
 I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets within a
 couple of feet of the
 tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun doesn't
 always work for the
 raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if I'll
 solve the problem before
 I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job for a
 year in Afghanistan).

 Derek
 T065



 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent the
  ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
  journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
  out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
  straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the curved,
  flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
  hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1, Line
  'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
  paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
  elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the gun.

  -Mike M.

  On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
   Has anyone tried this?

   I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1 Abrams.
   Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and feed
   system.

   Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
   shoot the paintball through a hose?
   The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would be
   mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
   The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed mounted
   and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
   The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.

   I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
   This would allow some room to pass the hose through.

   I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything to
   make the hose idea work.

   Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break up
   going through the curves??

   Mark

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
Network and computer installations and maintenance on the forward operating
bases.  Not sure yet on my deployment date.

Derek
T065

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark_123521
gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Derek:

  I thought Blackwater was out of business!
 What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
 required to kill me?

 Mark

 On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
  The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing the
  internal
  space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to
 feed
  the top
  of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of hoses
 that
  wouldn't
  do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You would
 need
  some bend
  in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having
 issues
  fitting my
  magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the
 turret.
  My problem
  is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that much
  elevation, but I
  have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two is
  causing the issues.
  I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets within
 a
  couple of feet of the
  tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun doesn't
  always work for the
  raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if I'll
  solve the problem before
  I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job for
 a
  year in Afghanistan).
 
  Derek
  T065
 
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
   I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent the
   ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
   journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
   out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
   straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the curved,
   flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
   hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1, Line
   'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
   paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
   elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the gun.
 
   -Mike M.
 
   On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Has anyone tried this?
 
I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1 Abrams.
Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and
 feed
system.
 
Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
shoot the paintball through a hose?
The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would be
mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed
 mounted
and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.
 
I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
This would allow some room to pass the hose through.
 
I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything to
make the hose idea work.
 
Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break up
going through the curves??
 
Mark
 
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[TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Mark_123521
Derek:

WoW thats cool!!
But theres no girls and no booze and theres the IED's.
We know that your qualified to work on remote control, tracked
vehicles  -- like bomb defusing robots??!!!
I'll bet the pay is fantastic!!!


Mark

On Mar 18, 7:32 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Network and computer installations and maintenance on the forward operating
 bases.  Not sure yet on my deployment date.

 Derek
 T065

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark_123521
 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:



  Derek:

   I thought Blackwater was out of business!
  What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
  required to kill me?

  Mark

  On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
   The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing the
   internal
   space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to
  feed
   the top
   of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of hoses
  that
   wouldn't
   do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You would
  need
   some bend
   in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having
  issues
   fitting my
   magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the
  turret.
   My problem
   is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that much
   elevation, but I
   have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two is
   causing the issues.
   I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets within
  a
   couple of feet of the
   tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun doesn't
   always work for the
   raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if I'll
   solve the problem before
   I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job for
  a
   year in Afghanistan).

   Derek
   T065

   On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent the
ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the curved,
flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1, Line
'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the gun.

-Mike M.

On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Has anyone tried this?

 I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1 Abrams.
 Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and
  feed
 system.

 Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
 shoot the paintball through a hose?
 The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would be
 mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
 The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed
  mounted
 and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
 The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.

 I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
 This would allow some room to pass the hose through.

 I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything to
 make the hose idea work.

 Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break up
 going through the curves??

 Mark

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Mike Måne
Good luck, Derek!

-Mike M.

On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Derek:

 WoW thats cool!!
 But theres no girls and no booze and theres the IED's.
 We know that your qualified to work on remote control, tracked
 vehicles  -- like bomb defusing robots??!!!
 I'll bet the pay is fantastic!!!


 Mark

 On Mar 18, 7:32 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Network and computer installations and maintenance on the forward
 operating
 bases.  Not sure yet on my deployment date.

 Derek
 T065

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark_123521
 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:



  Derek:

   I thought Blackwater was out of business!
  What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
  required to kill me?

  Mark

  On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
   The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing
   the
   internal
   space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to
  feed
   the top
   of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of
   hoses
  that
   wouldn't
   do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You would
  need
   some bend
   in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having
  issues
   fitting my
   magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the
  turret.
   My problem
   is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that
   much
   elevation, but I
   have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two
   is
   causing the issues.
   I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets
   within
  a
   couple of feet of the
   tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun doesn't
   always work for the
   raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if
   I'll
   solve the problem before
   I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job
   for
  a
   year in Afghanistan).

   Derek
   T065

   On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com
   wrote:
I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent the
ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the
curved,
flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1, Line
'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the gun.

-Mike M.

On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Has anyone tried this?

 I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1
 Abrams.
 Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and
  feed
 system.

 Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull and
 shoot the paintball through a hose?
 The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun would
 be
 mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
 The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed
  mounted
 and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
 The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.

 I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
 This would allow some room to pass the hose through.

 I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything
 to
 make the hose idea work.

 Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it break
 up
 going through the curves??

 Mark

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
Well, I'm married so that rules out the girl thingand I really don't
drink much so that's
really not an issue either...;)  Robotic work would be out of scope of the
contract so I
doubt that would happen.  Yeah, the pay is good.  My wife said that I would
never make
more than her now that she has her PharmD degree (PhD in pharmacy).  I guess
she
was wrong.  :)

Derek
T065

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Mark_123521
gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Derek:

 WoW thats cool!!
 But theres no girls and no booze and theres the IED's.
 We know that your qualified to work on remote control, tracked
 vehicles  -- like bomb defusing robots??!!!
 I'll bet the pay is fantastic!!!


 Mark

 On Mar 18, 7:32 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Network and computer installations and maintenance on the forward
 operating
  bases.  Not sure yet on my deployment date.
 
  Derek
  T065
 
  On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark_123521
  gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
  
 
 
   Derek:
 
I thought Blackwater was out of business!
   What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
   required to kill me?
 
   Mark
 
   On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing
 the
internal
space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to
   feed
the top
of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of
 hoses
   that
wouldn't
do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You
 would
   need
some bend
in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having
   issues
fitting my
magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the
   turret.
My problem
is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that
 much
elevation, but I
have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two
 is
causing the issues.
I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets
 within
   a
couple of feet of the
tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun
 doesn't
always work for the
raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if
 I'll
solve the problem before
I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job
 for
   a
year in Afghanistan).
 
Derek
T065
 
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent
 the
 ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
 journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
 out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
 straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the
 curved,
 flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
 hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1,
 Line
 'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
 paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
 elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the
 gun.
 
 -Mike M.
 
 On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  Has anyone tried this?
 
  I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1
 Abrams.
  Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and
   feed
  system.
 
  Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull
 and
  shoot the paintball through a hose?
  The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun
 would be
  mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
  The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed
   mounted
  and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
  The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.
 
  I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
  This would allow some room to pass the hose through.
 
  I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything
 to
  make the hose idea work.
 
  Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it
 break up
  going through the curves??
 
  Mark
 
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[TANKS] Re: Paintball Gun Mounting Question

2010-03-18 Thread Mark_123521
Derek:

Sounds like an adventure of a lifetime!
Go for it!

Mark


On Mar 18, 8:59 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I'm married so that rules out the girl thingand I really don't
 drink much so that's
 really not an issue either...;)  Robotic work would be out of scope of the
 contract so I
 doubt that would happen.  Yeah, the pay is good.  My wife said that I would
 never make
 more than her now that she has her PharmD degree (PhD in pharmacy).  I guess
 she
 was wrong.  :)

 Derek
 T065

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Mark_123521
 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:



  Derek:

  WoW thats cool!!
  But theres no girls and no booze and theres the IED's.
  We know that your qualified to work on remote control, tracked
  vehicles  -- like bomb defusing robots??!!!
  I'll bet the pay is fantastic!!!

  Mark

  On Mar 18, 7:32 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
   Network and computer installations and maintenance on the forward
  operating
   bases.  Not sure yet on my deployment date.

   Derek
   T065

   On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark_123521
   gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

Derek:

 I thought Blackwater was out of business!
What would you do over there, or cant you tell me without being
required to kill me?

Mark

On Mar 18, 7:14 pm, Derek Engelhaupt tan...@gmail.com wrote:
 The other issue is that the tube would compress when it bends causing
  the
 internal
 space to compress.  How do I know?  I was trying to look for a way to
feed
 the top
 of my gun using a large diameter rubber hose.  There are types of
  hoses
that
 wouldn't
 do that, but they also don't want to bend very well either.  You
  would
need
 some bend
 in the tube to compensate for the raising and lowering.  I'm having
issues
 fitting my
 magazine in since the gun of the KV-2 is mounted really high in the
turret.
 My problem
 is reliably feeding the gun during elevation.  10 degrees isn't that
  much
 elevation, but I
 have a lot of depression on the gun.  The difference between the two
  is
 causing the issues.
 I could limit the depression, but I want to be able to hit targets
  within
a
 couple of feet of the
 tank.  The feed angle that works for the depression of the gun
  doesn't
 always work for the
 raising of the gun and vise versa.  At this point, I'm not sure if
  I'll
 solve the problem before
 I have to go off to work in the big sand box (just got a contract job
  for
a
 year in Afghanistan).

 Derek
 T065

 On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I'm no expert, but I think it would be very difficult to prevent
  the
  ball from bursting on the curve. Even if it happened to survive the
  journey, it probably will lose so much energy that it simply flings
  out of the barrel. The best way would be to load the balls into the
  straight, rigid barrel, rather than anywhere in or before the
  curved,
  flexible hose. Do you think you could build a loading mechanism and
  hopper in the turret? Keep in mind that Article III, Section 1,
  Line
  'f.' of the Rules states that ...The maximum elevation of any
  paintball marker will be 10 degrees, which isn't much of an
  elevation, especially if the fulcrum is toward the front of the
  gun.

  -Mike M.

  On 18/03/2010, Mark_123521 gatlinggunm...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
   Has anyone tried this?

   I am building one of those low profile modern tanks -- M1A1
  Abrams.
   Theres not much head room in the turret to mount the marker and
feed
   system.

   Why couldnt a guy mount the paintball marker in the lower hull
  and
   shoot the paintball through a hose?
   The hose would connect to a barrel in the turret and the gun
  would be
   mounted under the turret where theres plenty of room?
   The gun could rotate with the turret or the gun could be fixed
mounted
   and the  hose could have a rotary connection.
   The hose would allow flexability to elevate the gun.

   I have ordered a lazy Susan turntable with a 6 inch hole in it.
   This would allow some room to pass the hose through.

   I have machine tools in the basement and can build about anything
  to
   make the hose idea work.

   Could you shoot the paintball through a hose and not have it
  break up
   going through the curves??

   Mark

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