Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread Michael Butts
This site has hacked and externally geared servo setups.
http://www.servocity.com/html/robotzone_servos.html?no_redirect=true

Look around the site for many other solutions.

Mike B

> On Mar 30, 2014, at 9:03 PM, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> lol, that is how i was designing it - use the bell crank (if that's what they 
> are calling that part in the center) to act as a buffer (of sorts) and to 
> increase the throw/torque just a bit. that and with using ball link ends 
> it'll help smooth things out (specially when in motion) the rest of the way. 
> thanks for that link (i can replace some of my doodles and show a bit better 
> prospective of it all).
>  
> i'm hoping to look over the pages steve posted tonight to see what info they 
> offer
>  
> chris
>  
> In a message dated 3/30/2014 6:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> panthergol...@gmail.com writes:
> That must be why the concept is used by most cars, RC racing or otherwise; 
> its a conspiracy by Futaba to sell replacement gears... 
> 
> Look up bell crank steering. Its mechanically simple, resists bump steer very 
> well and keeps the wear off your servos. 
> 
> Heres a great picture of the implementation:
> 
> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fpic%2FProductIntroduction%2FCars%2FE4%2FE4RS09%2Fsingle-bell-crank-steering-system.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fwb_product03.asp%3Fcid%3D18%26itno%3D503003&h=220&w=460&tbnid=BEk1iLdqf1749M%3A&zoom=1&docid=Bm9TGafqzGw_8M&ei=a5g4U5uPEIPlyQGfuoCoDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CA8QhBwwAjhk&iact=rc&dur=301&page=9&start=93&ndsp=12
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM,  wrote:
>> it is possible not very practical as it'll put some serious strain on the 
>> servo and gears
>>  
>> chris
>>  
>> In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:17:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> panthergol...@gmail.com writes:
>> Unfortunately its more complicated than that... for example, how long are 
>> the steering arms (im assuming your using some variant of Ackerman 
>> steering)? Even the weakest servo with a seriously long lever could give 
>> some harsh torque...
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Re: [TANKS] New elevate complete

2014-03-30 Thread jvragu47
Ya. Das ist korrectamundo.

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:04:50 PM UTC-4, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:
>
>  is that the Gettysburg's event? 
>  
>  In a message dated 3/30/2014 7:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> jpl...@yahoo.com  writes:
>
> May 18th event.
>
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[TANKS] ID?

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
just ran across this but there wasn't any name with it and was wondering  
what it is
 
  
cute little spud ain't it? 
chris

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Re: [TANKS] New elevate complete

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
is that the Gettysburg's event? 
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 7:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jpl...@yahoo.com writes:

May  18th event.

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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
lol, that is how i was designing it - use the bell crank (if that's what  
they are calling that part in the center) to act as a buffer (of sorts) and 
to  increase the throw/torque just a bit. that and with using ball link ends 
it'll  help smooth things out (specially when in motion) the rest of the 
way. thanks  for that link (i can replace some of my doodles and show a bit 
better  prospective of it all).
 
i'm hoping to look over the pages steve posted tonight to see what info  
they offer
 
chris
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 6:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
panthergol...@gmail.com writes:

That must be why the concept is used by most cars, RC racing or  otherwise; 
its a conspiracy by Futaba to sell replacement gears...   


Look up bell crank steering. Its mechanically simple, resists bump steer  
very well and keeps the wear off your servos. 


Heres a great picture of the implementation:


_http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fpic%
2FProductIntroduction%2FCars%2FE4%2FE4RS09%2Fsingle-bell-crank-steering-syst
em.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fwb_product03.asp%3Fcid%
3D18%26itno%3D503003&h=220&w=460&tbnid=BEk1iLdqf1749M%3A&zoom=1&docid=Bm9TGa
fqzGw_8M&ei=a5g4U5uPEIPlyQGfuoCoDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CA8QhBwwAjhk&iact=rc&dur=30
1&page=9&start=93&ndsp=12_ 
(http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.teammagic.com.tw/pic/ProductIntroduction/Cars/E4/E4RS09/single-bell-crank-stee
ring-system.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.teammagic.com.tw/wb_product03.asp?cid=1
8&itno=503003&h=220&w=460&tbnid=BEk1iLdqf1749M:&zoom=1&docid=Bm9TGafqzGw_8M&
ei=a5g4U5uPEIPlyQGfuoCoDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CA8QhBwwAjhk&iact=rc&dur=301&page=9&
start=93&ndsp=12) 







On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM, <_OdysseySlipways@aol.com_ 
(mailto:odysseyslipw...@aol.com) > wrote:


it is possible not very practical as it'll put some  serious strain on the 
servo and gears
 
chris
 

 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:17:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_panthergold74@gmail.com_ (mailto:panthergol...@gmail.com)  writes:

Unfortunately its more complicated than that... for example,  how long are 
the steering arms (im assuming your using some variant of  Ackerman 
steering)? Even the weakest servo with a seriously long lever  could give some 
harsh 
 torque...




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Re: [TANKS] New elevate complete

2014-03-30 Thread Frank Pittelli
The improved accuracy of Tri-Pact elevate and rotate systems means that 
there is only one last hurdle towards the goal of extreme accuracy ... 
finding perfect paintballs.  To that end, Tri-Pact has begun development 
of an electro-mechanical sorting machine that will detect paintballs 
that are perfectly spherical and have uniform density.  When armed with 
these so-called "Uberballs", effective accuracy should be less than 0.01 
mm at a range of 50 meters, tailing off to 0.1mm at 100 meters. PUFF 
forces will be decimated.


On 3/30/2014 7:03 PM, John Pittelli wrote:

Here's a brief video. Now, all I have to do is reassemble my tank.
Should have it ready in 6 weeks for the May 18th event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pshrPtwwLfo


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[TANKS] New elevate complete

2014-03-30 Thread John Pittelli
Here's a brief video. Now, all I have to do is reassemble my tank. Should have 
it ready in 6 weeks for the May 18th event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pshrPtwwLfo

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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread isaac goldman
That must be why the concept is used by most cars, RC racing or otherwise;
its a conspiracy by Futaba to sell replacement gears...

Look up bell crank steering. Its mechanically simple, resists bump steer
very well and keeps the wear off your servos.

Heres a great picture of the implementation:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fpic%2FProductIntroduction%2FCars%2FE4%2FE4RS09%2Fsingle-bell-crank-steering-system.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammagic.com.tw%2Fwb_product03.asp%3Fcid%3D18%26itno%3D503003&h=220&w=460&tbnid=BEk1iLdqf1749M%3A&zoom=1&docid=Bm9TGafqzGw_8M&ei=a5g4U5uPEIPlyQGfuoCoDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CA8QhBwwAjhk&iact=rc&dur=301&page=9&start=93&ndsp=12




On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM,  wrote:

>  it is possible not very practical as it'll put some serious strain on
> the servo and gears
>
> chris
>
>  In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:17:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> panthergol...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Unfortunately its more complicated than that... for example, how long are
> the steering arms (im assuming your using some variant of Ackerman
> steering)? Even the weakest servo with a seriously long lever could give
> some harsh torque...
>
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Re: [TANKS] Fox turret

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
looking good! can i ask why did you remove the supports in the mid section  
along the sides? i would have thought they would have been needed the most 
vs  the ones still in the corners.
 
how well does the resin soak into and bond to the paper mache?
 
chris
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 4:51:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
funkyne...@ntlworld.com writes:

I have been making progress with my Fox turret.  
I cut out the simple flat shapes and masking taped them together  . 
Next I fixed temporary separating blocks that can bee seen in the four  
corners.
then I cut "ribs" following the shape of the turret + 1 inch and glued it  
front and back with a spacer device to hold the rib dead center.
Good old fashioned paper mache forms the complex oval shape. 
Next I`ll glass over the shape and I`ll have a very light weight and  quite 
sturdy turret. 


Mint !!


Neil R

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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
it is possible not very practical as it'll put some  serious strain on the 
servo and gears
 
chris
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:17:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
panthergol...@gmail.com writes:

Unfortunately its more complicated than that... for example, how  long are 
the steering arms (im assuming your using some variant of Ackerman  
steering)? Even the weakest servo with a seriously long lever could give some  
harsh 
torque...

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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread isaac goldman
Unfortunately its more complicated than that... for example, how long are
the steering arms (im assuming your using some variant of Ackerman
steering)? Even the weakest servo with a seriously long lever could give
some harsh torque...


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:07 PM,  wrote:

>  8" - 10" wheels and aprox 50  - 100lbs and the ability to turn the
> wheels while sitting still
>
>  In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:06:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> panthergol...@gmail.com writes:
>
> It depends on your specific needs, which in turn requires doing math...
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>
>>  i started looking at the (big/jumbo) servos but i just don't think
>> they'll be big/strong enough to handle anything i'm doodling or anyone else
>> would build in larger scales.
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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
8" - 10" wheels and aprox 50  - 100lbs and the ability to turn the  wheels 
while sitting still
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2014 5:06:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
panthergol...@gmail.com writes:

It depends on your specific needs, which in turn requires doing  math...


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:03 PM, <_OdysseySlipways@aol.com_ 
(mailto:odysseyslipw...@aol.com) > wrote:


i started looking at the (big/jumbo) servos but i just don't think  they'll 
be big/strong enough to handle anything i'm doodling or anyone else  would 
build in larger  scales.





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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread isaac goldman
It depends on your specific needs, which in turn requires doing math...


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:

>  i started looking at the (big/jumbo) servos but i just don't think
> they'll be big/strong enough to handle anything i'm doodling or anyone else
> would build in larger scales.
>
>  In a message dated 3/26/2014 11:05:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> panthergol...@gmail.com writes:
>
>  You can for ~ 30$ on hobbyking.com buy servos with 30 to 40 kgcm of
> torque; the one i got for my turret zenith has 40 kgcm or almost 3 ft-lbs.
> You no longer need to custom make a solution.
>
> And as an aside you dont need a closed loop system; a stepper motor with
> appropriate controls will work fine...
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Re: [TANKS] linier drive for steering?

2014-03-30 Thread OdysseySlipways
i started looking at the (big/jumbo) servos but i just don't think they'll  
be big/strong enough to handle anything i'm doodling or anyone else would 
build  in larger scales.
 
 
In a message dated 3/26/2014 11:05:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
panthergol...@gmail.com writes:

 
You can for ~ 30$ on _hobbyking.com_ (http://hobbyking.com/)  buy servos 
with 30 to 40 kgcm  of torque; the one i got for my turret zenith has 40 kgcm 
or almost 3 ft-lbs.  You no longer need to custom make a solution.


And as an aside you dont need a closed loop system; a stepper motor with  
appropriate controls will work  fine...


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