Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
Just wondering Steve, how many viruses, Trojan horses and such did you have to remove from your machine after this little Russian Net excursion...LOL None! The Russian sites can be a challenge malware wise. I was working through a UTM firewall (Unified Threat Management) which does a good job at blocking that crap. In case any IT types want to know, the firewall is a Sophos UTM (formally Astaro) with the full feature set enabled that I've been evaluating at work. I had to lighten the content restrictions a bit on the Sophos as it seems most Russian male targeted sites (i.e. tank sites) have at least some ads that link to porn sites. Tank porn, must be a Russian thing... ;-) Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
Hey Mike, Just started catching up on e-mails... Wow, I see what you mean, about half way down the list... And I've seen this photo set too!! I guess you learn something new every day. As for a diagram for the JS-III (like the one for the JS-IV...), I have scoured the Net pretty thoroughly and have yet to come up with same diagram. And you would think the III would have one, as it is so much more covered (lack of a better term) than the IV is. If I ever find it, I'll let you know, and you please do the same. Thanks for sharing, and enlightening me on the III's underside. Dave I'd build it square anyway.. D. - Original Message - From: Michael Butts buttsakau...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things Dave, I was under that impression due to the models I had seen. Scale modelers are really anal for the most part. Also because of this site: http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/US_Army_Ordnance_Museum_IS3_tank.aspx The clearest picture shows the under belly of the tank. It is 2/3 of the way down or so. You can tell this is all one set of pictures by the lighting. Also do you have a drawing with all the hull angles and whatnot like that IS-4? Mike B On 8/22/12, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Mike, Me again... I was rereading your post and you mentioned that you thought the JS-III had sloped sides/bottom... Hull: I like Steve Tyng construction methods and suspension. However I wonder about grime affecting springs. That method would also call for a non scale hull shape for an IS-3. It is flat down the centerline at a marginal width but angles up toward the road wheels/ sides. To counteract mines I would guess. His method need a box hull it would seem. I think you may be confusing the JS-III with the JS-IV, which seems from drawings to have sloped sides. I haven't any photos that show this conclusively, but the diagrams do JS-IV And here is a good close-up photo showing the JS-III's suspension and side wall, looks 90 degrees to me... I wonder why the Russians put those five holes in each road wheel, access points, I guess. The return rollers have 'em too!! And yet they don't seem to line up with anything on the inside... Hmmm. Excess weight reduction? Additional enemy sighting portals? Vodka'ed up Russkie wheel die man left his signature mark? Any ideas, Chris-OS? So you can go with the venerable Tyng suspension/hull design with confidence... Nothing runs like a Tyng... I've seen the videos to prove it!! LOL. I think I've coined a phrase, with all due respect to John D. And even if it were sloped (I really think it isn't) I believe the hobby would let you slide abit and build the hull bottom flat, to accommodate the wheel axles and such. I highly doubt they'll sacrifice a potential new paint target - I mean member over a relatively minor build modification!! Just my two cents worth... Dave Boy this forum is fun D. -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
Hey Steve, Very nice detective work, I have to say I've never tried that one, very clever. Thanks for sharing. PS. Just wondering Steve, how many viruses, Trojan horses and such did you have to remove from your machine after this little Russian Net excursion...LOL. I had to import a new anti-maleware scrubber after some of my peeks at Russian sites. Yikes!! Dave I'm gonna build it square... D. - Original Message - From: TyngTech To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things The IS-3 and 4 tanks were extreme experiments in angles. I suspect that manufacturing challenges led the Soviets to go back to the box hull designs as in the T-72 though T-90 series. Here's several schematics of the JS-3 (including the underside of the hull). To find this stuff I Google translated JS-3 Tank from English to Russian (ИС-3 танк) and Googled the result. Not everything on the net is in English. If I were to build this tank I'd go with a flat bottom. Steve Tyng http://savepic.su/1389909.jpg http://mkonline.ru/2004-05/2004-05-14.html -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
Dave, I was under that impression due to the models I had seen. Scale modelers are really anal for the most part. Also because of this site: http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/US_Army_Ordnance_Museum_IS3_tank.aspx The clearest picture shows the under belly of the tank. It is 2/3 of the way down or so. You can tell this is all one set of pictures by the lighting. Also do you have a drawing with all the hull angles and whatnot like that IS-4? Mike B On 8/22/12, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Mike, Me again... I was rereading your post and you mentioned that you thought the JS-III had sloped sides/bottom... Hull: I like Steve Tyng construction methods and suspension. However I wonder about grime affecting springs. That method would also call for a non scale hull shape for an IS-3. It is flat down the centerline at a marginal width but angles up toward the road wheels/ sides. To counteract mines I would guess. His method need a box hull it would seem. I think you may be confusing the JS-III with the JS-IV, which seems from drawings to have sloped sides. I haven't any photos that show this conclusively, but the diagrams do JS-IV And here is a good close-up photo showing the JS-III's suspension and side wall, looks 90 degrees to me... I wonder why the Russians put those five holes in each road wheel, access points, I guess. The return rollers have 'em too!! And yet they don't seem to line up with anything on the inside... Hmmm. Excess weight reduction? Additional enemy sighting portals? Vodka'ed up Russkie wheel die man left his signature mark? Any ideas, Chris-OS? So you can go with the venerable Tyng suspension/hull design with confidence... Nothing runs like a Tyng... I've seen the videos to prove it!! LOL. I think I've coined a phrase, with all due respect to John D. And even if it were sloped (I really think it isn't) I believe the hobby would let you slide abit and build the hull bottom flat, to accommodate the wheel axles and such. I highly doubt they'll sacrifice a potential new paint target - I mean member over a relatively minor build modification!! Just my two cents worth... Dave Boy this forum is fun D. -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
The holes in the wheels could be for inserting something to dislodge mud or snow... You never know. Derek On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Michael Butts buttsakau...@gmail.comwrote: Dave, I was under that impression due to the models I had seen. Scale modelers are really anal for the most part. Also because of this site: http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/US_Army_Ordnance_Museum_IS3_tank.aspx The clearest picture shows the under belly of the tank. It is 2/3 of the way down or so. You can tell this is all one set of pictures by the lighting. Also do you have a drawing with all the hull angles and whatnot like that IS-4? Mike B On 8/22/12, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Mike, Me again... I was rereading your post and you mentioned that you thought the JS-III had sloped sides/bottom... Hull: I like Steve Tyng construction methods and suspension. However I wonder about grime affecting springs. That method would also call for a non scale hull shape for an IS-3. It is flat down the centerline at a marginal width but angles up toward the road wheels/ sides. To counteract mines I would guess. His method need a box hull it would seem. I think you may be confusing the JS-III with the JS-IV, which seems from drawings to have sloped sides. I haven't any photos that show this conclusively, but the diagrams do JS-IV And here is a good close-up photo showing the JS-III's suspension and side wall, looks 90 degrees to me... I wonder why the Russians put those five holes in each road wheel, access points, I guess. The return rollers have 'em too!! And yet they don't seem to line up with anything on the inside... Hmmm. Excess weight reduction? Additional enemy sighting portals? Vodka'ed up Russkie wheel die man left his signature mark? Any ideas, Chris-OS? So you can go with the venerable Tyng suspension/hull design with confidence... Nothing runs like a Tyng... I've seen the videos to prove it!! LOL. I think I've coined a phrase, with all due respect to John D. And even if it were sloped (I really think it isn't) I believe the hobby would let you slide abit and build the hull bottom flat, to accommodate the wheel axles and such. I highly doubt they'll sacrifice a potential new paint target - I mean member over a relatively minor build modification!! Just my two cents worth... Dave Boy this forum is fun D. -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
The IS-3 and 4 tanks were extreme experiments in angles. I suspect that manufacturing challenges led the Soviets to go back to the box hull designs as in the T-72 though T-90 series. Here's several schematics of the JS-3 (including the underside of the hull). To find this stuff I Google translated JS-3 Tank from English to Russian (ИС-3 танк) and Googled the result. Not everything on the net is in English. If I were to build this tank I'd go with a flat bottom. Steve Tyng http://savepic.su/1389909.jpg http://mkonline.ru/2004-05/2004-05-14.html http://savepic.su/1389909.jpg http://mkonline.ru/2004-05/images/2004-05-34.jpg http://mkonline.ru/2004-05/images/2004-05-35.jpg http://mkonline.ru/2004-05/images/2004-05-37.jpg -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] Rules and other things
Those holes are for a wheel puller. The end of section 4 here http://pro-tank.ru/teh-dok/tank-kv-rukovodstvo?start=12 references holes for a wheel puller. Steve On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:00:11 PM UTC-4, Jason Kehoe wrote: In all likelyhood the holes are handling holes for factory assembly or maintenance, those wheels arent light and the holes give something simple to hook to for lifting -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
