Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL
Thanks Bob for answering this while the UK slept! The considerations in choosing between an acronymic and a formally spelled-out form of conference (or other corporate name) are broadly similar in RDA as in AACR2. RDA 11.2.2.5 says: If variant forms of the name are found in resources associated with the body, choose the name as it appears in the preferred sources of information (see 2.2.2) as the preferred name, as opposed to forms found elsewhere in the resources. So if the preferred source (usually the title page) has WWIC 2012, and the spelled out form appears elsewhere, then the acronymic form is the preferred name. That's not different from AACR2. Where RDA practice differs is in the following: RDA 11.2.2.11 says: Omit from the name of a conference, congress, meeting, exhibition, fair, festival, etc. [...] indications of its number, or year or years of convocation, etc. AACR2 24.7A1 said the same (except that it also required the omission of frequency), but LCRI 24.7A allowed an exception for acronyms: If the name of a conference consists of a phrase that combines an acronym or an initialism with the abbreviated or full form of the year, retain the year as part of the name. So under AACR2 we could have WWIC 2012 as the name. There is no equivalent of LCRI 24.7A in RDA or the LCPS. We can't retain the year of convocation. Therefore, from WWIC 2012 we omit the year, and are left with WWIC. As Bob says below, RDA 11.13.1.2 and the LCPS for 11.7.1.4 instruct us to qualify it with an Other designation, and the most suitable designation would seem to be Conference. We've used Conference in these access points, regardless of whether a meeting calls itself a Conference, Colloquium, Symposium, etc., in the interests of consistency and collocation. Bearing in mind also that LCRI 21.1.B1 no longer applies, so a phrase no longer has to contain a word that connotes a meeting, in order to be considered named. Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles Sent: 23 July 2012 20:28 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL Bob, Thanks! I hope we will have some examples of such headings since this is a pretty major change from AACR2/NACO practice. Mary Charles -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL RDA 11.7 says the Other Designation Associated with the Corporate Body element is core for a body with a name that does not convey the idea of a corporate body. This element, in turn, becomes part of the authorized access point (as a qualifier) under 11.13.1.2. The LCPS to 11.7.1.4 says that, for LC at least, If the name chosen for the authorized access point for a corporate body is an initialism or acronym written in all capital letters (with or without periods between them), add a qualifier to the name. In other words, for LC, a body with a preferred name that consists of an initialism or acronym written in all capital letters is a body with a name that does not convey the idea of a corporate body. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian Genre/Form Authorities Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:16 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL Richard, I am seeing lots of BL created RDA conference headings show up for individual conferences, many using initials. The biggest difference I see is the word (Conference) added to the initials. Example: 111: 2|aWWIC (Conference)|n(10th :|d2012 :|cThera Island, Greece) I like it since it seems to be more in-line with serial type cataloging treatment than the AACR2 heading: WWIC 2012|d(2012 :|cThera Island, Greece) Can you (or anyone else) point me to documentation about this? I don't remember seeing anything that would have caused me to create the preferred heading this way. Mary Charles Lasater Vanderbilt
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL
Gene Yes, freed from the LCRIs we have created a glorious proliferation of variant access points. Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk mailto:richard.mo...@bl.uk From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: 23 July 2012 17:21 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL I would hope that if the initialism is spelled out somewhere, that, at least, a xref is created, if not the main entry for the body. I don't think using initialisms for corporate bodies is going to help the patron. After all, sir, Just waht is the WWIC, the patron might ask. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Lasater, Mary Charles mary.c.lasa...@vanderbilt.edu wrote: Richard, I am seeing lots of BL created RDA conference headings show up for individual conferences, many using initials. The biggest difference I see is the word (Conference) added to the initials. Example: 111: 2|aWWIC (Conference)|n(10th :|d2012 :|cThera Island, Greece) I like it since it seems to be more in-line with serial type cataloging treatment than the AACR2 heading: WWIC 2012|d(2012 :|cThera Island, Greece) Can you (or anyone else) point me to documentation about this? I don't remember seeing anything that would have caused me to create the preferred heading this way. Mary Charles Lasater Vanderbilt -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. ** Experience the British Library online at http://www.bl.uk/ The British Library’s new interactive Annual Report and Accounts 2010/11 : http://www.bl.uk/annualreport2010-11http://www.bl.uk/knowledge Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. http://www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled * The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the mailto:postmas...@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. * Think before you print
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL
Richard, Thanks so much for the additional information. Paul Franks indicated during the NACO RDA training that we have to pay attention to what is left out of RDA or the policy statements, but that is not easy to notice. Mary Charles Lasater Vanderbilt -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:33 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL Thanks Bob for answering this while the UK slept! The considerations in choosing between an acronymic and a formally spelled-out form of conference (or other corporate name) are broadly similar in RDA as in AACR2. RDA 11.2.2.5 says: If variant forms of the name are found in resources associated with the body, choose the name as it appears in the preferred sources of information (see 2.2.2) as the preferred name, as opposed to forms found elsewhere in the resources. So if the preferred source (usually the title page) has WWIC 2012, and the spelled out form appears elsewhere, then the acronymic form is the preferred name. That's not different from AACR2. Where RDA practice differs is in the following: RDA 11.2.2.11 says: Omit from the name of a conference, congress, meeting, exhibition, fair, festival, etc. [...] indications of its number, or year or years of convocation, etc. AACR2 24.7A1 said the same (except that it also required the omission of frequency), but LCRI 24.7A allowed an exception for acronyms: If the name of a conference consists of a phrase that combines an acronym or an initialism with the abbreviated or full form of the year, retain the year as part of the name. So under AACR2 we could have WWIC 2012 as the name. There is no equivalent of LCRI 24.7A in RDA or the LCPS. We can't retain the year of convocation. Therefore, from WWIC 2012 we omit the year, and are left with WWIC. As Bob says below, RDA 11.13.1.2 and the LCPS for 11.7.1.4 instruct us to qualify it with an Other designation, and the most suitable designation would seem to be Conference. We've used Conference in these access points, regardless of whether a meeting calls itself a Conference, Colloquium, Symposium, etc., in the interests of consistency and collocation. Bearing in mind also that LCRI 21.1.B1 no longer applies, so a phrase no longer has to contain a word that connotes a meeting, in order to be considered named. Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles Sent: 23 July 2012 20:28 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL Bob, Thanks! I hope we will have some examples of such headings since this is a pretty major change from AACR2/NACO practice. Mary Charles -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL RDA 11.7 says the Other Designation Associated with the Corporate Body element is core for a body with a name that does not convey the idea of a corporate body. This element, in turn, becomes part of the authorized access point (as a qualifier) under 11.13.1.2. The LCPS to 11.7.1.4 says that, for LC at least, If the name chosen for the authorized access point for a corporate body is an initialism or acronym written in all capital letters (with or without periods between them), add a qualifier to the name. In other words, for LC, a body with a preferred name that consists of an initialism or acronym written in all capital letters is a body with a name that does not convey the idea of a corporate body. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian Genre/Form Authorities Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:16 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL Richard, I am seeing lots of BL created RDA conference headings show
