Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

[Gene Fieg]

Just a question: how are unprinted page numbers a "quoted note"?

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Schroeder, Elizabeth E. <
eeschroed...@stritch.edu> wrote:

>  LC PCC PS 1.7.1 is a guideline for all notes, including a 504. As you
> say, 504 does not contain quoted data. Since the instruction for square
> brackets says they are to be used only in the case of quoted data, they
> should not be used for the case of unprinted page numbers. This is a
> departure from past practice. 
>
> ** **
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Lizzy
>
> ** **
>
> *Elizabeth Schroeder*
>
> Cataloging/Metadata Librarian
>
> ** **
>
> *Cardinal Stritch University Library*
>
> *Phone: *414-410-4258
>
> *E-mail:* eeschroed...@stritch.edu
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Gene Fieg
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:11 PM
>
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>
>  ** **
>
> I don't see how LC PCC PS 1.71. applies to this.  The one example given
> simply gives the pages.  The past practice would indicate that those page
> numbers are actually printed in the item.  If not, then the pages not
> numbered would be put in brackets, so that if p. 310 were not printed the
> note would read (pages [310]-325.
>
> If both 310 and 325 were not printed, it would be (pages [310]-[325]
> (meaning that pages 311-324 are printed
>
> If none of the pages numbers are printed, but only implied, the extent of
> the bibliography would be (p. [310-325]
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Gene Fieg  wrote:
>
> Just a note here: 504 is not a quoted note, but one that is constructed:
> Includes bibliographical references ()
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dana Van Meter  wrote:
> 
>
> Thanks everyone.  I did see rule 1.7.1 at some point in my RDA travels,
> and then forgot about it.  I agree that it probably should apply in the
> case of the 504.  I hate that cataloging in RDA feels like assembling a
> puzzle every single time.  I wish that one didn’t have to jump to all over
> the place to find out how one thing should be done.  
>
>  
>
> Thanks again.
>
>  
>
> -Dana
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Cronquist, Michelle J
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21 PM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>
>  
>
> You’d omit the brackets, according to LC-PSS 1.7.1, which says “Do not use
> square brackets in notes except when they are used in quoted data,” and
> gives this example:
>
>  
>
> 500  ##
>
> $a"Types of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by Mei Lin": pages
> 310-375.
>
> Not "... pages [310]-[375]."
>
>  
>
> ---
>
> Michelle Cronquist
>
> North Caroliniana Cataloger
>
> Special Collections Technical Services
>
> CB#3926, Wilson Library
>
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
>  
>
> 919-962-6901
>
> 919-962-3594 (fax)
>
>  
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA ] *On
> Behalf Of *Dana Van Meter
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 2:57 PM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>
>  
>
> Hello.  I’ve rooted around RDA several times trying to find an answer to
> this question and I can’t find one anywhere.  Is there any direction
> anywhere in RDA or in the policy statements that tell you what to do when
> you are noting that bibliographical references are present and are noting
> the page numbers the references fall on, and where either the starting or
> ending (though usually the starting) page is not numbered in the book
> itself.  In AACR2 we would put the correct page number inside square
> brackets.  In most of the cases of this situation I’ve seen in the RDA
> copy that’s out there, I see people just citing the page number without the
> square brackets.  I’ve only seen someone use square brackets once or
> twice.  The AACR2 in me hates to put the page number without the square
> bracket when the page is not numbered in the book itself, which is
> generally the case with most of the books I catalog, as the heading
> Bibliography (or Bibliographical References, or whatever the case may be) 
> usually
> appears a bit lower down on the page, and thus the page number is usually
> skipped on the starting page for the bibliographical references.  I’ve
> looked at rule 7.16.1.3 and the LC-PCC PS for 7.16.1.3 and neither mentions
> what to do in a bibliographical references note when the starting (or
> ending) page is not numbered in the boo

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

[J. McRee Elrod]

>So, would we just ignore CIP information that would normally go in a
>transcription field? 

In most cases, the CIP information is in the LC or LAC record which
was upgraded from a CIP one.  We would not remove nor bracket that
information; it is in the item.

Of course one must be aware of earlier CIP printed in a later edition,
and of changes which might have happened during the publishing
process.  Title page information would supersede older CIP
information, although the CIP information might also be included,
e.g., a changed title in 246; the item might have been listed as a
"forthcoming book" with the earlier title.


While 588 is usually used for sources outside the item, it could be
used to note CIP derived data.  Better CIP data than "[ not
identified]", which would not be true if in the CIP.

Let's be pragmatic in supplying all available ISBD information.  
Perhaps a publisher might feel it is not necessary to include
information twice, particularly the LCCN and ISBN.


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__





  








It's not unusual for me to find an edition and/or series statement
only in the CIP.  Is it best not to record information for these
fields if it appears only in the CIP data, or should it be bracketed
with maybe a note identifying the source?

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

[Bryan Baldus]

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:50 PM, Jacqueline Byrd wrote:
>So, would we just ignore CIP information that would normally go in a 
>transcription field?  It's not unusual for me to find an edition and/or series 
>statement only in the CIP.  Is it best not to record information for these 
>fields if it appears only in the CIP data, or should it be bracketed with 
>maybe a note identifying the source?

Yes, if information is only in the CIP block and not anywhere else in the 
book/resource, it would be ignored/treated as skeptical information not 
necessarily pertaining to the resource being described. If the publisher wanted 
the edition statement or series statement to appear on the book, they should 
have included it somewhere on their portion of the resource, rather than 
telling the CIP block creator (LC or other provider of 
cataloging-in-publication data blocks) that it would appear on the resource and 
then not mentioning it anywhere else on the resource.

As for bracketing and making a note, it seems like that would be appropriate 
for edition and series statements where you have evidence that such statements 
are valid for the resource being described. For example, if subsequent volumes 
of a series mention your volume, but yours doesn't list a series statement, 
then adding a bracketed 490 or 500 might be helpful to justify an 8xx. On the 
other hand, if all books in the series (thinking of some children's series) 
mention "Other books in this series" followed by a list of titles, but none of 
them have a valid series statement outside of the CIP block, then I'd say there 
isn't a legitimate series, so none should be recorded/bracketed-in.

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
bryan.bal...@quality-books.com

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

[Byrd, Jacqueline Jo]

So, would we just ignore CIP information that would normally go in a 
transcription field?  It's not unusual for me to find an edition and/or series 
statement only in the CIP.  Is it best not to record information for these 
fields if it appears only in the CIP data, or should it be bracketed with maybe 
a note identifying the source?

Thanks!
Jacqueline Byrd
Indiana University Libraries

-Original Message-
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Reser, Dave
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:23 AM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

Dear Michael, 

I believe this is the LC-PCC PS you are looking for (2.2.2.1):

LC practice/PCC practice: Do not consider pre-publication cataloging data 
(foreign or domestic) appearing in the item as a source of information for 
transcribed elements.


(note the emphasis on *transcribed* elements, others would be ok)

Hope this helps,
Dave Reser
LC Policy & Standards Division

-Original Message-
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:11 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

You consider it so, and others consider it not so.  But my question is really 
what does RDA say about it, and if it is silent then do we need an LC-PCC PS to 
address this question.

Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

[Schroeder, Elizabeth E.]

LC PCC PS 1.7.1 is a guideline for all notes, including a 504. As you say, 504 
does not contain quoted data. Since the instruction for square brackets says 
they are to be used only in the case of quoted data, they should not be used 
for the case of unprinted page numbers. This is a departure from past practice.

Hope this helps,
Lizzy

Elizabeth Schroeder
Cataloging/Metadata Librarian

Cardinal Stritch University Library
Phone: 414-410-4258
E-mail: eeschroed...@stritch.edu

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:11 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

I don't see how LC PCC PS 1.71. applies to this.  The one example given simply 
gives the pages.  The past practice would indicate that those page numbers are 
actually printed in the item.  If not, then the pages not numbered would be put 
in brackets, so that if p. 310 were not printed the note would read (pages 
[310]-325.
If both 310 and 325 were not printed, it would be (pages [310]-[325] (meaning 
that pages 311-324 are printed
If none of the pages numbers are printed, but only implied, the extent of the 
bibliography would be (p. [310-325]




On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Gene Fieg 
mailto:gf...@cst.edu>> wrote:
Just a note here: 504 is not a quoted note, but one that is constructed: 
Includes bibliographical references ()

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dana Van Meter 
mailto:vanme...@ias.edu>> wrote:
Thanks everyone.  I did see rule 1.7.1 at some point in my RDA travels, and 
then forgot about it.  I agree that it probably should apply in the case of the 
504.  I hate that cataloging in RDA feels like assembling a puzzle every single 
time.  I wish that one didn't have to jump to all over the place to find out 
how one thing should be done.

Thanks again.

-Dana


From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On 
Behalf Of Cronquist, Michelle J
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

You'd omit the brackets, according to LC-PSS 1.7.1, which says "Do not use 
square brackets in notes except when they are used in quoted data," and gives 
this example:

500 ##

$a"Types of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by Mei Lin": pages 
310-375.

Not "... pages [310]-[375]."

---
Michelle Cronquist
North Caroliniana Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-6901
919-962-3594 (fax)

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Dana Van Meter
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:57 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note


Hello.  I've rooted around RDA several times trying to find an answer to this 
question and I can't find one anywhere.  Is there any direction anywhere in RDA 
or in the policy statements that tell you what to do when you are noting that 
bibliographical references are present and are noting the page numbers the 
references fall on, and where either the starting or ending (though usually the 
starting) page is not numbered in the book itself.  In AACR2 we would put the 
correct page number inside square brackets.  In most of the cases of this 
situation I've seen in the RDA copy that's out there, I see people just citing 
the page number without the square brackets.  I've only seen someone use square 
brackets once or twice.  The AACR2 in me hates to put the page number without 
the square bracket when the page is not numbered in the book itself, which is 
generally the case with most of the books I catalog, as the heading 
Bibliography (or Bibliographical References, or whatever the case may be) 
usually appears a bit lower down on the page, and thus the page number is 
usually skipped on the starting page for the bibliographical references.  I've 
looked at rule 7.16.1.3 and the LC-PCC PS for 7.16.1.3 and neither mentions 
what to do in a bibliographical references note when the starting (or ending) 
page is not numbered in the book itself.

Is this mentioned anywhere in RDA, or in an LC-PCC PS?  If it's not, can 
someone from LC monitoring this list please add this to the LC-PCC PS for 
7.16.1.3 so I don't have to hem and haw every time I encounter this situation?

Thanks very much for your help,

Dana Van Meter

Cataloging Librarian

Historical Studies-Social Science Library

Institute for Advanced Study

Princeton, NJ 08540

vanme...@ias.edu


--
Gene Fieg
Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School

Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

[Gene Fieg]

I don't see how LC PCC PS 1.71. applies to this.  The one example given
simply gives the pages.  The past practice would indicate that those page
numbers are actually printed in the item.  If not, then the pages not
numbered would be put in brackets, so that if p. 310 were not printed the
note would read (pages [310]-325.
If both 310 and 325 were not printed, it would be (pages [310]-[325]
(meaning that pages 311-324 are printed
If none of the pages numbers are printed, but only implied, the extent of
the bibliography would be (p. [310-325]





On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Gene Fieg  wrote:

> Just a note here: 504 is not a quoted note, but one that is constructed:
> Includes bibliographical references ()
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dana Van Meter  wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone.  I did see rule 1.7.1 at some point in my RDA travels,
>> and then forgot about it.  I agree that it probably should apply in the
>> case of the 504.  I hate that cataloging in RDA feels like assembling a
>> puzzle every single time.  I wish that one didn’t have to jump to all over
>> the place to find out how one thing should be done.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -Dana
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
>> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Cronquist,
>> Michelle J
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21 PM
>> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
>> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You’d omit the brackets, according to LC-PSS 1.7.1, which says “Do not
>> use square brackets in notes except when they are used in quoted data,” and
>> gives this example:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 500  ##
>>
>> $a"Types of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by Mei Lin":
>> pages 310-375.
>>
>> Not "... pages [310]-[375]."
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Michelle Cronquist
>>
>> North Caroliniana Cataloger
>>
>> Special Collections Technical Services
>>
>> CB#3926, Wilson Library
>>
>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 919-962-6901
>>
>> 919-962-3594 (fax)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
>> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA]
>> *On Behalf Of *Dana Van Meter
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 2:57 PM
>> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
>> *Subject:* [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hello.  I’ve rooted around RDA several times trying to find an answer to
>> this question and I can’t find one anywhere.  Is there any direction
>> anywhere in RDA or in the policy statements that tell you what to do when
>> you are noting that bibliographical references are present and are noting
>> the page numbers the references fall on, and where either the starting
>> or ending (though usually the starting) page is not numbered in the book
>> itself.  In AACR2 we would put the correct page number inside square
>> brackets.  In most of the cases of this situation I’ve seen in the RDA
>> copy that’s out there, I see people just citing the page number without the
>> square brackets.  I’ve only seen someone use square brackets once or
>> twice.  The AACR2 in me hates to put the page number without the square
>> bracket when the page is not numbered in the book itself, which is
>> generally the case with most of the books I catalog, as the heading
>> Bibliography (or Bibliographical References, or whatever the case may be) 
>> usually
>> appears a bit lower down on the page, and thus the page number is
>> usually skipped on the starting page for the bibliographical references.
>> I’ve looked at rule 7.16.1.3 and the LC-PCC PS for 7.16.1.3 and neither
>> mentions what to do in a bibliographical references note when the starting
>> (or ending) page is not numbered in the book itself.
>>
>> Is this mentioned anywhere in RDA, or in an LC-PCC PS?  If it’s not, can
>> someone from LC monitoring this list please add this to the LC-PCC PS for
>> 7.16.1.3 so I don’t have to hem and haw every time I encounter this
>> situation?
>>
>> Thanks very much for your help,
>>
>> Dana Van Meter
>>
>> Cataloging Librarian
>>
>> Historical Studies-Social Science Library
>>
>> Institute for Advanced Study
>>
>> Princeton, NJ 08540
>>
>> vanme...@ias.edu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Gene Fieg
> Cataloger/Serials Librarian
> Claremont School of Theology
> gf...@cst.edu
>
> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not
> represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information
> or content contained in this forwarded email.  The forwarded email is that
> of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School
> of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University.  It has been forwarded as a
> courtesy for information only.
>



-- 
Gene Fieg
Cataloger

Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note

[Gene Fieg]

Just a note here: 504 is not a quoted note, but one that is constructed:
Includes bibliographical references ()


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dana Van Meter  wrote:

> Thanks everyone.  I did see rule 1.7.1 at some point in my RDA travels,
> and then forgot about it.  I agree that it probably should apply in the
> case of the 504.  I hate that cataloging in RDA feels like assembling a
> puzzle every single time.  I wish that one didn’t have to jump to all over
> the place to find out how one thing should be done.  
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks again.
>
> ** **
>
> -Dana
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Cronquist, Michelle J
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21 PM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>
> ** **
>
> You’d omit the brackets, according to LC-PSS 1.7.1, which says “Do not use
> square brackets in notes except when they are used in quoted data,” and
> gives this example:
>
> ** **
>
> 500  ##
>
> $a"Types of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by Mei Lin": pages
> 310-375.
>
> Not "... pages [310]-[375]."
>
> ** **
>
> ---
>
> Michelle Cronquist
>
> North Caroliniana Cataloger
>
> Special Collections Technical Services
>
> CB#3926, Wilson Library
>
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
> ** **
>
> 919-962-6901
>
> 919-962-3594 (fax)
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA ] *On
> Behalf Of *Dana Van Meter
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 2:57 PM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* [RDA-L] Unnumbered page in a 504 note
>
> ** **
>
> Hello.  I’ve rooted around RDA several times trying to find an answer to
> this question and I can’t find one anywhere.  Is there any direction
> anywhere in RDA or in the policy statements that tell you what to do when
> you are noting that bibliographical references are present and are noting
> the page numbers the references fall on, and where either the starting or
> ending (though usually the starting) page is not numbered in the book
> itself.  In AACR2 we would put the correct page number inside square
> brackets.  In most of the cases of this situation I’ve seen in the RDA
> copy that’s out there, I see people just citing the page number without the
> square brackets.  I’ve only seen someone use square brackets once or
> twice.  The AACR2 in me hates to put the page number without the square
> bracket when the page is not numbered in the book itself, which is
> generally the case with most of the books I catalog, as the heading
> Bibliography (or Bibliographical References, or whatever the case may be) 
> usually
> appears a bit lower down on the page, and thus the page number is usually
> skipped on the starting page for the bibliographical references.  I’ve
> looked at rule 7.16.1.3 and the LC-PCC PS for 7.16.1.3 and neither mentions
> what to do in a bibliographical references note when the starting (or
> ending) page is not numbered in the book itself.
>
> Is this mentioned anywhere in RDA, or in an LC-PCC PS?  If it’s not, can
> someone from LC monitoring this list please add this to the LC-PCC PS for
> 7.16.1.3 so I don’t have to hem and haw every time I encounter this
> situation?
>
> Thanks very much for your help,
>
> Dana Van Meter
>
> Cataloging Librarian
>
> Historical Studies-Social Science Library
>
> Institute for Advanced Study
>
> Princeton, NJ 08540
>
> vanme...@ias.edu
>



-- 
Gene Fieg
Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
gf...@cst.edu

Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not
represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information
or content contained in this forwarded email.  The forwarded email is that
of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School
of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University.  It has been forwarded as a
courtesy for information only.

[RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] Fields 344-347

[Paradis Daniel]

NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc., are not considered by RDA as video formats (3.18.2) but 
as broadcast standards (3.18.3). Both are subtypes of the element Video 
characteristic, defined as "a technical specification relating to the encoding 
of video images in a resource." MARC21 field 346 was created especially to 
accommodate that element so it is odd that it is defined as "technical 
specifications relating to the encoding of *analog* video images in a 
resource." It seems to me that restricting field 346 to analog resources is a 
mistake and I would not hesitate to use field 346 $b for broadcast standard 
even for digital video resources.

Daniel Paradis

Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire de la Collection patrimoniale
Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec

2275, rue Holt
Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1
Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721
Télécopieur : 514 873-7296
daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca
http://www.banq.qc.ca



 Message d'origine
De: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access de la 
part de John Williams
Date: ven. 2013-04-12 06:32
À: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Objet : [RDA-L] Fields 344-347

The JSC/RDA Complete examples
(http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bi
bliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf) has:



Sound characteristics344 ## $a digital $b optical $g
surround $h Dolby digital 5.1

Video characteristics 346 ## $a laser optical $b NTSC

Digital file characteristics 347 ## $a video file $b DVD video
$e region 1



The Library of Congress MARC21 Bibliographic Formats
(http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd346.html)

and the OCLC  Technical Bulletin 261
(https://www.oclc.org/support/services/worldcat/documentation/tb/261.en.html
)

both describe field 346 as: "Technical specifications relating to the
encoding of analog video images in a resource."

RDA 3.18.2.1 says:

Scope:
 Video format is a standard, etc., used to encode the analog
video content of a resource.

For instructions on recording the format of digitally encoded video, see
3.19.3




So should there a field 346 for a DVD as it is a digital, not analog
resource?



If we do not use field 346 for DVDs how do we indicate the video standard
(NTSC, PAL, SECAM)? These standards have survived into the post-VHS era, and
can still affect playback (DVD player and/or TV incompatible), but are not
specifically catered for in field 347.



One possibility is to use 347 $f Transmission speed, entering 30 fps for
NTSC and 25 fps for PAL, or just entering the abbreviations NTSC or PAL.



With regards to these new fields I presume we are still waiting for the dust
to settle, but I do not want to go back and change old records more than
once.



John Williams

Johns Hopkins Univerity

Bologna Italy.