Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
DCRM(B) acknowledges that hand-coloring is not always an item-specific characteristic. See DCRM(B) 5C3.2: 5C3.2. Do not describe hand-colored illustrations as col. unless there is evidence that the publication was issued with the hand coloring. In case of doubt, consider any machine-press publication with hand coloring to have been issued that way by the publisher. Always mention publisher-issued hand coloring in a note (see 7B10.3http://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=documentdoc_action=setdocdoc_keytype=foliodestinationdoc_key=dcrmb7B10PERIOD3hash=7B10PERIOD3); make a local note on the presence of other hand coloring, ifhttp://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=documentdoc_action=setdocdoc_keytype=foliodestinationdoc_key=dcrmbIfSPACEconsideredSPACEimportanthash=IfSPACEconsideredSPACEimportant considered important (see 7B19.1.3http://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=documentdoc_action=setdocdoc_keytype=foliodestinationdoc_key=dcrmb7B19PERIOD1PERIOD3hash=7B19PERIOD1PERIOD3). As you note, the wording of RDA 7.17.1.1 (... For instructions on recording information on hand-coloured items, see 3.21[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp3target=rda3-5517#rda3-5517 ... ) assumes that all hand-coloring is item-specific. I agree, 7.17 probably should be revised in order to (at least) accommodate the scenarios addressed in DCRM(B) 5C3.2. Francis Lapka RBMS Liaison to CC:DA From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of JSC Chair Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:17 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level? Your question points out an interesting discrepancy in RDA that was carried over from AACR2 (2.17B1) and should be re-examined with regard to Early Printed Resources, where RDA 3.21.2 for item-specific carrier characteristics now includes notes about the rubrication, illumination, and other hand-colouring..., which indeed are part of the content (expression) embodied in that specific item. Perhaps someone would like to propose a revision to RDA? As you noted, in RDA, color/colour generally is considered a characteristic of the content (RDA 7.17), when it deals with colors for illustrations, images, objects - the content of a resource. This includes all colors in the spectrum (including black and white, all shades and tints, etc.). There may also be color involved with a resource for a non-content aspect, like the binding, which could be noted as part of the carrier characteristics (manifestation RDA 3.22 Note, or item-specific data as in RDA 3.21). Barbara B. Tillett Chair, JSC On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Hi, I have a question about color. Is color an attribute at the manifestation or content level? In FRBR, Color (Image) is an attribute listed under manifestation. The explanation is Colour is the colour(s), tone(s), etc. (including black and white) used in the production of an image. Here, color is a result from the production. In RDA, colour content is an attribute listed under expression. The explanation is Colour content is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in the content of a resource, and Colour content is also the specific colours, tones, etc., (including black and white) present in the content of a resource. More explanations are: Colour of still image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a still image or images contained in a resource. Colour of moving image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a moving image or images contained in a resource. Colour of three-dimensional form is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a three-dimensional form or forms contained in a resource. We can say that illustration (image) is a way of expressing a work. Illustration must involve color if color includes black and white. Color is also something that can be perceived from a physical material. In some situations, the color attribute very depends on the production. Here a question: Is color an attribute to differentiate an expression or a manifestation? Or it depends on cases? Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them color, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409tel:618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D. Chair, Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA inline: image001.png
[RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
Hi, I have a question about color. Is color an attribute at the manifestation or content level? In FRBR, Color (Image) is an attribute listed under manifestation. The explanation is “*Colour is the colour(s), tone(s), etc. (including black and white) used in the production of an image*”. Here, color is a result from the production. In RDA, colour content is an attribute listed under expression. The explanation is “Colour content is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in the content of a resource”, and “*Colour content is also the specific colours, tones, etc., (including black and white) present in the content of a resource**”*. More explanations are: * * *Colour of still image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a still image or images contained in a resource.* *Colour of moving image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a moving image or images contained in a resource.* *Colour of three-dimensional form *is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a three-dimensional form or forms contained in a resource.** We can say that illustration (image) is a way of expressing a work. Illustration must involve color if color includes black and white. Color is also something that can be perceived from a physical material. In some situations, the color attribute very depends on the production. Here a question: Is color an attribute to differentiate an expression or a manifestation? Or it depends on cases? Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them “color”, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
Your question points out an interesting discrepancy in RDA that was carried over from AACR2 (2.17B1) and should be re-examined with regard to Early Printed Resources, where RDA 3.21.2 for item-specific carrier characteristics now includes notes about the rubrication, illumination, and other hand-colouring..., which indeed are part of the content (expression) embodied in that specific item. Perhaps someone would like to propose a revision to RDA? As you noted, in RDA, color/colour generally is considered a characteristic of the content (RDA 7.17), when it deals with colors for illustrations, images, objects - the content of a resource. This includes all colors in the spectrum (including black and white, all shades and tints, etc.). There may also be color involved with a resource for a non-content aspect, like the binding, which could be noted as part of the carrier characteristics (manifestation RDA 3.22 Note, or item-specific data as in RDA 3.21). Barbara B. Tillett Chair, JSC On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Hi, I have a question about color. Is color an attribute at the manifestation or content level? In FRBR, Color (Image) is an attribute listed under manifestation. The explanation is “*Colour is the colour(s), tone(s), etc. (including black and white) used in the production of an image*”. Here, color is a result from the production. In RDA, colour content is an attribute listed under expression. The explanation is “Colour content is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in the content of a resource”, and “*Colour content is also the specific colours, tones, etc., (including black and white) present in the content of a resource**”*. More explanations are: * * *Colour of still image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a still image or images contained in a resource.* *Colour of moving image is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a moving image or images contained in a resource.* *Colour of three-dimensional form *is the presence of colour, tone, etc., in a three-dimensional form or forms contained in a resource.** We can say that illustration (image) is a way of expressing a work. Illustration must involve color if color includes black and white. Color is also something that can be perceived from a physical material. In some situations, the color attribute very depends on the production. Here a question: Is color an attribute to differentiate an expression or a manifestation? Or it depends on cases? Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them “color”, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D. Chair, Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA
Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
I don't think the definition of color would apply to illustrations, since the rule explicitly excludes black and white or shades of grey. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:22 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level? Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them color, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. [Steven Arakawa] Regarding illustrations, 7.17.1.3: If the content of the resource is in colours other than black and white or shades of grey, record the presence of colour using an appropriate term. Disregard coloured matter outside the actual content of the resource (e.g., the border of a map). Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
Yes. You are right. I did not see that. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.eduwrote: I don’t think the definition of color would apply to illustrations, since the rule explicitly excludes black and white or shades of grey. ** ** Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2013 11:22 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level? ** ** ** ** Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them “color”, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. ** ** *[Steven Arakawa] Regarding illustrations, 7.17.1.3: *If the content of the resource is in colours other than black and white or shades of grey, record the presence of colour using an appropriate term. Disregard coloured matter outside the actual content of the resource (e.g., the border of a map). Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?
I disagree with Mr. Arakawa. Color does apply to illustrations in RDA. The instruction at 7.15.1.3 specifically deals with illustrations, and 7.17.1.3 goes on to the color aspect of content - with the examples at 7.17.1.3 also reinforcing that the instruction applies to illustrations as a type of content. RDA suggests a practical approach for the cataloger to indicate colors when a cataloger thinks it is important to mention (note: these are not core elements). Generally that would be when the colors are other than the black/white/gray colors normally used for printing. If the illustrations are black and white or grays, we just say illustrations as most publications are printed as black (or shades of gray) on white paper, but if that fact was noteworthy, we could say it in a note. I think the interesting issue Joan Wang brought up is the expression characteristic for content, and that is where RDA probably needs revision to deal with the current rare materials instruction that simply carried forward the AACR2 rule to provide the characteristic of hand-colored illustrations as an item characteristic. -- Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D. Chair, Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.eduwrote: I don’t think the definition of color would apply to illustrations, since the rule explicitly excludes black and white or shades of grey. ** ** Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2013 11:22 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level? ** ** ** ** Also, according to the definition, color includes black and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them “color”, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. ** ** *[Steven Arakawa] Regarding illustrations, 7.17.1.3: *If the content of the resource is in colours other than black and white or shades of grey, record the presence of colour using an appropriate term. Disregard coloured matter outside the actual content of the resource (e.g., the border of a map). Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
