Re: Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors
Hi folks Why not 'actor'? (as in; someone who has performed an action). It's not restricted to persons (a corporate body can be an 'actor') and is more informative than 'name'. I'd prefer something like 'entity', the FRBR/RDA use of the word 'entity' might cause confusion. c. ___ Carlos Lopez Assistant Cataloguer Joint Theological Library Ormond College Parkville, Vic. 3052 Ph: +61 3 93476360 Fax: +61 3 93491857 www.jtl.vic.edu.au Adam Schiff wrote: How about: Someone Who Did Something or Person Who Did Something of course that would eliminate non-human living entities. So, in order not to be anthropomorphic, how about: Being That Did Something ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Jay Smith wrote: Along those lines, and perhaps conforming to B. Eversberg's notion of involver, perhaps a slightly less loaded term (but admittedly not entirely neutral!) would be: perpetrator. Abbreviated in relator codes to: perp. Jay Towne Smith Senior Cataloger San Francisco Public Library [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Ralph Papakhian Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:22 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors hi, is mac suggesting criminal defendants as the single term? now that's radical! --r A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University Music Library Bloomington, IN 47405 812/855-2970 [EMAIL PROTECTED] co-owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget criminal defendants as 100's. We really haven't improved on an ISBD unlabled display in my opinion. J. McRee (Mac) Elrod, Special Libraries Cataloguing -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 13/03/2006
Re: Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors
Kelly Ann Green offered: We could follow the practice of lawyers and use entity Diane I. Hillmann wrote: Gosh, I think lawyers use lots more terms than that. In my experience, it's the computer scientists who use entity. And the followers of FRBR -- I suppose there's some overlap between those groups! Is there something wrong with contributor? To be serious (even though it's Friday here, and it's been a heavy week for me) we're trying to name a category. All the descriptive terms (author, contributor, compiler, editor, performer, composer, artist, creator) come with fairly specific connotations; if not to us who are involved in the cataloguing arts, to the users who will try to make use of what we give them as, hopefully, useful information, without misleading them. To refer to MARC21 for a moment (and revert to oldfashioned nomenclature), I would be reasonably happy to move into a mode where name headings (including work headings) were *always* categorized with the appropriate code in $4, and getting our system vendors to derive the caption (in a labelled display) from those codes. Entity is, in a sense, a non-term; it simply means something that can be defined and occupies a space in a particular frame of reference. The frame of reference of the information specialist is not exactly the same as that of the user of the catalogue. Now, we still need a term to denote persons and formal groups of persons with some kind of responsibility for the document in hand, and/or its content, particularly when not treated as subject. A shared vocabulary does wonders for discussion, clarification, and formulation of a code. Hal Cain Joint Theological Library Parkville, Victoria, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Pimentel wrote: personality ... entity ... contributor ... perpetrator ... I know -- how about main entry?! Yebbut... added entries are to be included there too. It's Friday (here, at least); yes, I know. Hal Cain Joint Theological Library Parkville, Victoria, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors
[I'm resending this with more adequate contact/affiliation information in my signature--sorry for the duplication.] Why not personality? Surely Geronimo Stilton and Koko the Gorilla and Racter are recognizable to us as such. Persoenlichkeit ... Works in German, too! In despair, before now, trying to find a single term for our opac that would cover any of the below PLUS speakers, performers, composers, artists, engravers, while having to deal with a character limit for the opac label, I have thought of resorting to Person. But I didn't. Cheers Paul Davey Cataloguing Services Manager Collection Management Wellcome Library 215 Euston Road London NW1 2BE (+44) 020-7611-8493 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Wellcome Trust is a registered charity, no.210183. Its sole Trustee is the Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England, no. 2711000, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE. It would be nice if RDA could find a better word than 'author' to encompass actors, entertainers, musicians, sculptors, composers, photographers, painters, etc., but perhaps there is no such word. The imprecise term creator is used in some contexts. But I find it hard to extend it to editors, compilers, translators -- all of whom may be genuinely involved in creation of intellectual/artistic content, of course -- let alone relationship types such as festschrift honoree. -- Cheryl Boettcher Tarsala Adjunct Assistant Professor LEEP Program, Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The views expressed here are my own and not those of UIUC or GSLIS.
Re: Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors
How about: Someone Who Did Something or Person Who Did Something of course that would eliminate non-human living entities. So, in order not to be anthropomorphic, how about: Being That Did Something ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Jay Smith wrote: Along those lines, and perhaps conforming to B. Eversberg's notion of involver, perhaps a slightly less loaded term (but admittedly not entirely neutral!) would be: perpetrator. Abbreviated in relator codes to: perp. Jay Towne Smith Senior Cataloger San Francisco Public Library [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Ralph Papakhian Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:22 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors hi, is mac suggesting criminal defendants as the single term? now that's radical! --r A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University Music Library Bloomington, IN 47405 812/855-2970 [EMAIL PROTECTED] co-owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget criminal defendants as 100's. We really haven't improved on an ISBD unlabled display in my opinion. J. McRee (Mac) Elrod, Special Libraries Cataloguing
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personality ... entity ... contributor ... perpetrator ... I know -- how about main entry?! dp David M Pimentel : 734.657.3786 Doctoral Student : Information Science Technology School of Information Studies : Syracuse University
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entry ? A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University Music Library Bloomington, IN 47405 812/855-2970 [EMAIL PROTECTED] co-owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Diane I. Hillmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gosh, I think lawyers use lots more terms than that. In my
experience, it's the computer scientists who use entity.
Wveryone was waiting to see what British Columbia would use on the
marriage license forms which would work for both heterosexual and same
gender couples (it used to be Groom and Brideroom, which I changed
to Groom and Groom or Bride and Bride as the case warranted
when doing a wedding). The term chosen was Party.
I still think no labels at all works just fine, leaving room for more
descri[tive information.
We didn't have labels on catalogue cards, and that worked for well
over a century.
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The term chosen was Party. So, the main entry would be the party of the first part and the added entries would be the parties of the second part? wink Which leads to the primary party and secondary party or ... main party and added (or additional) parties. But getting serious again for a moment, I think Hal Cain's suggestion that a relator term or code always be included to better describe the relationship of the name to the resource being described, is something that we should seriously consider. Not only could OPACs use the term/code for display purposes, but FRBRization of catalog records could probably be much improved if a system knew that a particular name in one case was a translator and in another was an editor, illustrator, actor, soprano, defendant, etc. Adam ** * Adam L. Schiff * * Principal Cataloger* * University of Washington Libraries * * Box 352900 * * Seattle, WA 98195-2900 * * (206) 543-8409 * * (206) 685-8782 fax * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * **
