Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
Comparing Extent of Text in RDA to AACR2: RDA: Extent of Text is for resources consisting of printed or manuscript text (with or without accompanying illustrations). Further in RDA 3.4.5.1: These instructions apply to text resources in volumes, sheets, portfolios or cases. AACR2: for separately published monographic printed items. These comprise books, pamphlets, and single sheets. In both cases exceptions are made for cartographic resources and notated music. RDA is much more specific about the Content Type text and makes reference to illustrations as being only accompanying in nature. As such it would be odd to use the element name Extent of Text in this case: Extent of Text: 20 unnumbered leaves Illustrative Content: illustrations But in RDA, Extent is an element used when the exceptions don't apply. Possibility here (note that Extent of Text is not used): Extent: 1 volume (20 unnumbered leaves) In RDA 7.15 for Illustrative Content, the primary content of the resource is covered by the work element in RDA 7.2 (Nature of the Content). So if the reference is to the other element then that should be used to describe the primary content. Nature of the Content: An illegible book without text consisting of leaves of different colors and shapes. Which could be mapped to MARC 520 as one of the possibilities for Nature of the Content in the RDA-MARC map in the Toolkit. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kathie Coblentz [kcobl...@nypl.org] Sent: September-20-13 12:54 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations OK, the very next thing I picked up to catalog is one of a series of illegible books by the Italian Futurist artist Bruno Munari: Libro illeggibile N.Y. 1. There is NO text except for the back flap of the book jacket (which, admittedly, is a pretty integral part of the volume in this case, since the front cover of the jacket bears a Munari design, and beneath it there are only plain black wrappers). The back flap has the title, the artist's name, a brief historical statement in Italian and English and publication information. (I have seen similar works that have none of this, but only (if you're lucky) a slip in the box with the title and artist's name.) But in terms of actual primary content of the resource, we have a series of pages, or leaves (I speak loosely, since they are not functioning as units of extent of text here) of various gray, black and translucent papers, some of which contain a white spiral design, a round cutout, and/or a black circle the size of the cutouts. A red thread is strung through several leaves. Several of the translucent leaves are blank or bear only the image content provided by the thread that penetrates them. According to the back flap, it is one of a group of books in which visual discourse, rather than a text composed of words, carries the thread of the story. There are two AACR 2 records for this in OCLC, and I may just use one of them more or less as is. One has [40] p. : ǂb ill. and the other has [20] leaves : ǂb ill. I think the leaves solution is better here, since the designs, when present, are on one side of the leaf only, but I understand the pages, since the cutouts are naturally on both sides of the leaf. Both records do account for all leaves including blanks, thus properly ignoring the directive not to count blank leaves. In this case, they are clearly part of the work as it is intended to be perceived. However, even under AACR 2, the use of ill. seems to me inadequate. All ill. would have been better, but there is the semantic problem of downgrading this work of art to mere illustrations. At least, however, it would probably have been understood by catalog users. How would I handle this item according to the letter, or even the spirit, of RDA? Kathie Coblentz, Rare Materials Cataloger Collections Strategy/Special Formats Processing The New York Public Library, Stephen A. Schwarzman Building 5th Avenue and 42nd Street, Room 313 New York, NY 10018 kathiecoble...@nypl.org My opinions, not NYPL's
Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Thomas proposed: Extent: 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) Dimensions: 24 cm Colour Content: color Perhaps it is because I grew up with cards, but I would find far clearer the following without a label: 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : colour, 24 cm or ix, 45 pages (comic book) : colour, 24 cm I think most could understand that the number of pages is extent, and that 24 cm is dimensions. To the uninitiated umediated and carrier mean little. Have you passed all this by public services, as did Sevim at KSU? Thomas is merely listing these using fill in the blanks RDA element names; it has nothing to do with display. It's equivalent to writing: AACR2 2.5B: 128 p. AACR2 2.5C: ill. AACR2 2.5D: 23 cm. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
Thank you for bringing this up again. Here is a link to an earlier posting by me on this issue, which only generated one response: https://listserv.collectionscanada.gc.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=RDA-L;db70d096.1307 There is some more discussion of the issue in a longer thread that started out as a query about the new RDA glossary definitions of leaf and page, which limits them to units of extent of text. https://listserv.collectionscanada.gc.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=RDA-L;9a78b4cd.1307 As I asked in the first post in that thread: If you have a volume containing only images, such as reproductions of photographs or drawings, what do you call the things they are printed on? And how do you reckon the extent of the resources containing them? Kathie Coblentz, Rare Materials Cataloger Collections Strategy/Special Formats Processing The New York Public Library, Stephen A. Schwarzman Building 5th Avenue and 42nd Street, Room 313 New York, NY 10018 kathiecoble...@nypl.org My opinions, not NYPL's
Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
While we're waiting for this gap to be filled in the RDA toolkit, at our library we have been creating a kind of hybrid text/still image record for comic book/graphic novels and books consisting of only illustrated plates. We use the RDA Extent terms for text in the 300 field and add chiefly illustrations in the subfield b, and we add two 336 content terms, still image and text. 300 |a ix, 45 pages : |b chiefly illustrations ; |c 24 cm 336 |a still image |2 rdacontent 336 |a text |2 rdacontent 337 |a unmediated |2 rdamedia 338 |a volume |2 rdacarrier But I wonder if the following two extent descriptions might be better at showing the primary content is pictorial: A. 300 |a ix, 45 pages of color images ; |c 24 cm B. 300 |a 1 volume (ix, 45 pages of color images) ; |c 24 cm The following are the closest RDA instructions I could find relating to books of primarily pictorial material in the RDA toolkit: --- From 3.4.4.Extent of still images: 3.4.4.5. Albums, Portfolios, Etc. For a resource consisting of one or more albums, portfolios, cases, etc., containing drawings, prints, photographs, etc., record the extent by giving the number of units and an appropriate term for the type of unit. EXAMPLE 1 portfolio 2 sketchbooks Optional Addition Specify the number of drawings, etc., and use one or more appropriate terms from the list at 3.4.4.2http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp3target=rda3-2610#rda3-2610. Record this information in parentheses following the term for the container. EXAMPLE 1 portfolio (40 prints) -- From that, I suppose I could add another possibility: C. 300 |a 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : |b color ; |c 24 cm Does anyone know if there are plans to clear this up in the RDA toolkit sometime, preferably soon? Melanie Shaw Merrill-Cazier Library Utah State University Logan, Utah 84322-3000 melanie.s...@usu.edu On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM, donna Bair-Mundy don...@hawaii.edu wrote: Aloha, Having searched the archives I found several message on this topic but no consensus, as far as I could tell. In AACR2 in the 300 $b subfield we recorded the fact that a book consisted of all illustrations. RDA has no corresponding rule. Looking at various RDA cataloging policy statements at a number of institutions available online I see all illustrations recorded in 300 $b. In April 2012 the PCC SCT RDA Records Task Group put out a .pdf file with sample RDA-consistent records. I see a number of records with the wording all illustrations in 300 $b. On Autocat some people have said that 300 $b should have only illustrations and that a note would be included to say that the book consists solely of illustrations. Tomorrow I plan to talk about illustrative matter in class. One of the books I have been using for years is _Gods man : a novel in woodcuts_ by Lynd Ward. How would the participants on this list handle this? Are there any plans to clarify this in an upcoming update of RDA? Have a safe and joyful day, donna Bair-Mundy, Ph.D. Instructor, LIS Program Information Computer Sci. Dept. Hamilton Library, Room 003-B 2550 McCarthy Mall University of Hawai`i at Manoa Honolulu, HI 96822 Voice: 808-956-9518 Fax: 808-956-5835 don...@hawaii.edu
Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
Donna Bair-Mundy posted:
In AACR2 in the 300 $b subfield we recorded the fact that a book
consisted of all illustrations. RDA has no corresponding rule.
I quoted our head cataloguer earlier saying that when RDA was unclear,
just fall back on AACR2. I would add to that, do what helps your
patrons. Trust that the rules will evolve to catch up with you; that
has been our experience since 1979, e.g., collations for remote
electronic resources.
Having chiefly or all relegated to a note does *not* help anyone.
I can appreciate the sentiment that if an item is all pictorial, there
is nothing to be illustrated, but until we have a mutually agreed upon
alternate term, I suspect we are stuck with it. There is 336 $astill
image, and if no text at all, no 336 $atext.
We're putting that all and chiefly in 300$b.
Kathie Coblentz asked:
If you have a volume containing only images, such as reproductions of ph=
otographs or drawings, what do you call the things they are printed on? A=
nd how do you reckon the extent of the resources containing them?
If bound and printed on one side only, leaves; if bound and printed on
both sides, pages; if unbound, sheets.
300 $a100 pages :$ball illustrations '$c31 cm.
336 $astill image$2rdacontent
337 $aunmediated$2rdamedia [best not to display]
337 $avolume$2rdacarrier or if not bound 337 $asheet$2rdacarrier
Like GMDs, 33X terms have the single/plural disconnect.
We have 1 atlas, 1 portfolio, and the like, but so far no 1
volume, 1 comic book, :1 graphic novel, and the like, followed by
paging. The adding number of pages, sheets, or whatever, after unit
name, should *not* be optional as in RDA. Has an LCPCCPS addressed
this?
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Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
-- From that, I suppose I could add another possibility: 300 |a 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : |b color ; |c 24 cm This I think is a good fit. One could say that neither Extent of Text nor Extent of Still Image apply for a comic book or graphic novel as the resource is a hybrid of content types and so one would not be forced to use either subset of instructions. Who says we should treat a comic book as an exception for recording extent in RDA 3.4.1.3? If it's not an exception then the main instruction applies. The main element is still called Extent which is used when we don't use Extent of Text or Extent of Still Image. Using the element name is a useful flag indicating that the exceptions for extent are not being used. Extent is first and foremost the number of carrier units. One could also apply the alternative in RDA 3.4.1.3 and just say instead of 1 volume: 1 comic book For the number of subunits there is no specific example matching a comic book in the cases listed in 3.4.1.7, but I wouldn't take the cases as exhaustive. The cases all follow the main instruction of using the number of carrier types as the main value for Extent. One could take the same freedom allowed in applying as subunits the extent of a parallel counterpart (printed text in a volume): 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) Colour Content is applicable. 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : color ; 24 cm Because 'still image' is used for a predominant content type, and there isn't a comparable instruction to use chiefly illustrations I would drop illustrations altogether. Illustrative Content has a meaning restricted to illustrations of the primary content, which doesn't make sense for a comic book, where the primary content consists of illustrations. Also the exception for using Extent of Text is to use it for printed text with or without accompanying illustrations. I would take that mean that adding illustrations in 300$b means we're adding it because it accompanies the text, and if that's the case then the Extent should probably also be Extent of Text, which would mean we couldn't use 1 comic book. In RDA elements: Content Type: text Content Type: still image Media Type: unmediated Carrier Type: volume Extent: 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) Dimensions: 24 cm Colour Content: color Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library
Re: [RDA-L] All illustrations
Thomas proposed:
Extent: 1 comic book (ix, 45 pages)
Dimensions: 24 cm
Colour Content: color
Perhaps it is because I grew up with cards, but I would find far
clearer the following without a label:
1 comic book (ix, 45 pages) : colour, 24 cm
or
ix, 45 pages (comic book) : colour, 24 cm
I think most could understand that the number of pages is extent, and
that 24 cm is dimensions. To the uninitiated umediated and
carrier mean little.
Have you passed all this by public services, as did Sevim at KSU?
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