Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
The record doesn't appear to be following the current LC PCC Policy Statements. The 347 field I believe applies to the online resource, not the printed version. Since RDA emphasizes showing relationships to the extent possible, you might find a useful model in the LCPS 27.1.1.3 Referencing Related Manifestations. The relationship is brought out in either MARC 775 (reproduction is the same carrier as the original, e.g. a facsimile of a book originally published in the 19th century) or 776 (where the reproduction is a different carrier from the original, which appears to be the case in your example.) The LCPS gives an example of each with the appropriate subfields. Someone who catalogs directly on OCLC would know whether there was a macro to generate the 775 or 776. In your case, I believe the link would be to the online resource record. Note that RDA descriptive rules apply to the reproduction record. The original record link is left as found on its bibliographic record. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:08 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question I've an expedite request for a local printout copy of what I think is OCLC# 811622782. I don't understand this RDA record. I was hoping someone could direct me to RDA documentation about cataloging reprints? We are not creating original RDA records as yet. We are incorporating RDA (mainly LC records) as we come across them, but I haven't run into this particular flavor of RDA record. I do not understand how the 336/337/338/347 work to describe a printout and if incorrect, exactly how to edit to describe a printout correctly under RDA. We catalog a LOT of printouts so this is an important concept for me. I need to understand so as to be able to explain to my section. I've done some looking in the archives, but am not finding anything that answers my question in a real-world manner. Many thanks for any direction. //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135
Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
Patricia Fogler said:
We catalog a LOT of printouts so this is an important concept for me.
I need to understand so as to be able to explain to my section.
I suspect the confusion arises from the LCRI on reproductions, which
was counter to AACR2, and some seem to be carrying over to RDA.
In both AACR2 and RDA one catalogues what one has (i.e., no 533).
For a print item, reproduction or not:
336 $atext$2rdacontent
337 $aunmediated$2rdamedia
338 $avolume$2rdacarrier
The fact that it is a printout from an electronic resource is
recorded elsewhere. Too bad we lost 503.
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Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
I did look at this record this morning. It is a record for online PDF file instead of a print-out. It does include 856 field. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.eduwrote: The record doesn't appear to be following the current LC PCC Policy Statements. The 347 field I believe applies to the online resource, not the printed version. Since RDA emphasizes showing relationships to the extent possible, you might find a useful model in the LCPS 27.1.1.3 Referencing Related Manifestations. The relationship is brought out in either MARC 775 (reproduction is the same carrier as the original, e.g. a facsimile of a book originally published in the 19th century) or 776 (where the reproduction is a different carrier from the original, which appears to be the case in your example.) The LCPS gives an example of each with the appropriate subfields. Someone who catalogs directly on OCLC would know whether there was a macro to generate the 775 or 776. In your case, I believe the link would be to the online resource record. Note that RDA descriptive rules apply to the reproduction record. The original record link is left as found on its bibliographic record. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:08 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question I've an expedite request for a local printout copy of what I think is OCLC# 811622782. I don't understand this RDA record. I was hoping someone could direct me to RDA documentation about cataloging reprints? We are not creating original RDA records as yet. We are incorporating RDA (mainly LC records) as we come across them, but I haven't run into this particular flavor of RDA record. I do not understand how the 336/337/338/347 work to describe a printout and if incorrect, exactly how to edit to describe a printout correctly under RDA. We catalog a LOT of printouts so this is an important concept for me. I need to understand so as to be able to explain to my section. I've done some looking in the archives, but am not finding anything that answers my question in a real-world manner. Many thanks for any direction. //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135 -- Joan Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
Many thanks for the responses on my reproduction question. The record in question has been edited makes much more sense. I realize that LC is now cataloging the work in hand, rather than the original when cataloging reproductions in their RDA records. My understanding had been (taken from a response from LC some months back along with OCLC guidance http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/specialcataloging/default.shtm#CHDCIDAF) that the change in approach was ONLY for RDA that for AACR2 cataloging we should continue to follow the LCRI. I realize the latter comment/observation is not necessarily in the scope of this list. But if someone can direct me to where LC or OCLC (whose rules we ultimately follow for the bulk of our cataloging) says otherwise for AACR2 cataloging, I'd be very interested. Many thanks //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
I just learned it from OLAC conference last week in Albuquerque, New Mexico. For reproductions, we use the three 33x fields to describe the reproductions (manifestations) in hands and use 77x fields to connect it with other manifestations. We do not use 533/4 field any more. But I have not gone into details. You may need to look at RDA Toolkit. The question is: should we treat a print-out of online born resources as publications? I think that it is a kind of personal behavior and it should be treated as production (unpublished). Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM, FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC patricia.fog...@us.af.mil wrote: Many thanks for the responses on my reproduction question. The record in question has been edited makes much more sense. I realize that LC is now cataloging the work in hand, rather than the original when cataloging reproductions in their RDA records. My understanding had been (taken from a response from LC some months back along with OCLC guidance http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/specialcataloging/default.shtm#CHDCIDAF) that the change in approach was ONLY for RDA that for AACR2 cataloging we should continue to follow the LCRI. I realize the latter comment/observation is not necessarily in the scope of this list. But if someone can direct me to where LC or OCLC (whose rules we ultimately follow for the bulk of our cataloging) says otherwise for AACR2 cataloging, I'd be very interested. Many thanks //SIGNED// Patricia Fogler Chief, Cataloging Section (AUL/LTSC) Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center DSN 493-2135 Comm (334) 953-2135 -- Joan Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question
Joan Wang said:
I just learned it from OLAC conference last week in Albuquerque, New
Mexico. For reproductions, we use the three 33x fields to describe the
reproductions (manifestations) in hands and use 77x fields to connect it
with other manifestations.
Many of our clients prefer 530 to 77X, as more patron friendly. We do
both.
The question is: should we treat a print-out of online born resources as
publications?
We do. If you don't think they are published, use 264 0. Having
imprint for unpublished material is one of the *very* few improvements
of RDA over AACR2. SLC has been using 260 for all theses these many
years.
Library and Archives Canada followed AACR2 as opposed to the LCRI for
reproductions, as did SLC. It's time to bury that LCRI. When
standards are in conflict, pick the best one.
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Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question: series
Aloha RDA-ers, A question arose here about providing an access point for the series in which an original manifestation was published when we are cataloging photocopies of some of the series titles. RDA 27.1 instructs us to record the series statement for the original manifestation in the 775 field of the record for the reproduction. Wealso want to make an access point for the series so that the photocopy issues appear in the series index together with the original issues. Are we justified in making an accesspoint for the series (of the original) in an 830 field (of the record for thereproduction)? Is there a relevant instruction in RDA? Thanks. Nancy -- Nancy Sack Cataloging Department University of Hawaii at Manoa 2550 McCarthy Mall Honolulu, HI 96822 phone: 808-956-2648 fax: 808-956-5968 e-mail: s...@hawaii.edu
Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question: series
Nancy Sack said:
Are we justified in making an accesspoint for the series (of the
original) in an 830 field (of the record for thereproduction)?
Make the 830. supported by a 500 note Originally issued ..., as
opposed to a 490 (assuming the series does not appear on the
reproduction). I do miss 503.
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