Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information or at head of title

2013-03-19 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Heidrun discussed at head of title.

One of the more frustrating situations for us is diversity in
treatment of artists' names at head of title for exhibition
catalogues.  If the subtitle is distinctive, some see the artist's
name as responsible person at head of title.  I finally persuated
Lucia Rather (then at LC) to tell cataloguers to do a 246 for subtitle
when artist's name is title proper.


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Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information or at head of title

2013-03-19 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller

Mac wrote:


Perhaps need for distinctiveness should influence date inclusion in
title proper?  If different works have the same title, but different
dates, they are needed?


Interesting idea - very pragmatic.



In relation to at head of title data, the most frequent occurrence for
us is motion pictures, e.g., "Walt Disney presents ...".  That goes in
246 1  $iAt head of title:$a ..., not 245.


Yes, that had come to my mind as well. But this is a straightforward 
case, covered separately in RDA 2.3.1.6 (Introductory words). I was 
looking for examples where the first bit on the t.p. is less prominent 
(e.g. smaller font) than a later bit, but which is not of the type 
"introductory words".


One of the examples from the French cataloging rules in my other mail 
(thread "avant-titres") comes could be used, although you might still 
see it as a case of introductory words. Here's the example again (this 
time, I'll leave out all the accents to avoid possible "character 
garbling"):


Je roule sans accident! [Texte imprime]
_En note_:  Avant-titre : "un professionel de l'auto vous dit..."
_Commentaire_: L'avant-titre apparait en petits caracteres au-dessus du 
titre propre.


Heidrun


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Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information or at head of title

2013-03-19 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Heidrun said:

>Perhaps the line of separation between >title proper and other title
>information is really not all that important.

When constructing a uniform title, or the form of a subject or added
entry for the work, it can be *very* important.  

A cataloguer off list asked about a situation in which several titles
in a series had the same short title proper, and she had them in two
languages, so needed a uniform title.  I advised including more in the
title proper.

Perhaps need for distinctiveness should influence date inclusion in
title proper?  If different works have the same title, but different
dates, they are needed?

In relation to at head of title data, the most frequent occurrence for
us is motion pictures, e.g., "Walt Disney presents ...".  That goes in
246 1  $iAt head of title:$a ..., not 245.


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