Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

2018-07-30 Thread Ray 
Yea its actually Windy and Allan's ideas.  I'm only 'freaking brilliant' 
enough to copy the masters.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 7/30/18 4:50 PM, Dana wrote:


A bit of serious carpentry if a retrofit but, freaking Brilliant idea Ray!



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Article 110.26 covering clearances in front of electrical equipment 
applies.  I worked on a couple like that, and I didn't like it. Very 
hard to move the batteries, and Combined with H2S, you are in what 
OSHA considers a confined hazardous space.


Another way to use that crawl space is to build a trap door access 
from the floor above.  This can work really nicely, and put the 
batteries right under the inverter without violating article 110.26.  
I think I saw a system that either Allan Sindelar or Windy Dankoff did 
like that. I've tried it a few times, and everyone (customers and 
inspectors) was happy.  Here's a pic of some HUPs in a floor vault 
just below the inverter:


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 7/30/18 8:37 AM, Dana wrote:

Safe working clearance is 6’-8”.

I have been confronted with this issue in the past taking over
other’s systems care. This is a head banger & a major safety issue
if something goes bad. If the batteries are 18-20” tall that only
leaves anther 28-30” between bottom side of the floor joist & the
top of the battery. Your face is way too close to a battery esp.
if there is an issue to address.

The installation is bent over back-heavy move situation. I am
assuming you have a dirt or gravel floor to move across?

It seems like a good use of space up front but the reality of the
install plagues you down the road.

If it is WLA batteries it is the worst of situations.

Even if this is not inspected, please avoid this situation.



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

*C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com *

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz 

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*From:* RE-wrenches 
 *On Behalf Of
*Jerry Caldwell
*Sent:* Saturday, July 28, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org

*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

Wrenches,

I have a customer who wants to have batteries installed in a 4'
tall crawl space / short basement. Are there any accessibility
code issues with installing batteries in a crawl space? Does the
NEC address this?

Thanks,
Jerry Caldwell




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Re: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase

2018-07-30 Thread William Dorsett 
We’ve had remarkable good response from Enphase replacing old inverters.  With 
swelling and oozing…none have done that yet though I should make the rounds to 
check. In our early systems we batched as many inverters as possible under a 
single module (i.e. on a double row, with both pairs of inverters under the 
bottom row) so our return visits and replacements would be kept as simple as 
possible. I think it is still a good idea. We’ve had some where the trunk line 
connectors haven’t been tightly connected, but I think the new IQ 6 and 7’s are 
much more fool proof in all ways and I remain quite optimistic.
 
Bill Dorsett
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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Ron 
Young
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase
 
Good to know August and Bill, I’ll put in a call today.
 
Ron
earthRight Solar - Solareagle.com  



On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, August Goers mailto:aug...@luminalt.com> > wrote:
 
We have many M210 and M190 micros installed and deal with replacements 
frequently. If you're seeing physical signs of oozing or swelling, it's only a 
matter of time before they stop working. Enphase should replace them under 
warranty, especially if you explain that now is the time to get them swapped 
and show them the pics.
 
August
Luminalt
 
On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:08 AM Bill Hennessy mailto:b...@berkssolar.com> > wrote:
Ron, Give Enphase a call; replacements are usually sent without a hassle. They 
have a lot of experience replacing their older inverters. 



regards, bill
 
Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC
371 Centennial Rd
Mertztown, PA 19539

o 610 682 4300
c 484 560 4666
NABCEP certified installer
PA contractor #44411
www.berkssolar.com  
 

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From: RM You mailto:solarea...@solareagle.com> >
To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase
 
Anyone have a source of M210 Enphase inverters? I have a customer who has 3 out 
of 12 that are leaking and as he is getting his roof re-done would like to 
replace those before problems occur. They are still working properly but I 
don’t know the likelihood of failure. I could replace them with 215’s but the 
trunk cable plugs are different so would have to run a separate trunk cable for 
just those 3 unless there is an adapter. Any suggestions wildly appreciated ;) !
 
Ron
earthRight Solar - Solareagle.com  
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[RE-wrenches] FW: Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

2018-07-30 Thread Dana 
A bit of serious carpentry if a retrofit but, freaking Brilliant idea Ray!

 



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:32 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

 

Article 110.26 covering clearances in front of electrical equipment applies.  I 
worked on a couple like that, and I didn't like it. Very hard to move the 
batteries, and Combined with H2S, you are in what OSHA considers a confined 
hazardous space.  

Another way to use that crawl space is to build a trap door access from the 
floor above.  This can work really nicely, and put the batteries right under 
the inverter without violating article 110.26.  I think I saw a system that 
either Allan Sindelar or Windy Dankoff did like that. I've tried it a few 
times, and everyone (customers and inspectors) was happy.  Here's a pic of some 
HUPs in a floor vault just below the inverter:



 

Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 7/30/18 8:37 AM, Dana wrote:

Safe working clearance is 6’-8”.

I have been confronted with this issue in the past taking over other’s systems 
care. This is a head banger & a major safety issue if something goes bad. If 
the batteries are 18-20” tall that only leaves anther 28-30” between bottom 
side of the floor joist & the top of the battery. Your face is way too close to 
a battery esp. if there is an issue to address.

The installation is bent over back-heavy move situation. I am assuming you have 
a dirt or gravel floor to move across?

It seems like a good use of space up front but the reality of the install 
plagues you down the road.

If it is WLA batteries it is the worst of situations.

 

Even if this is not inspected, please avoid this situation.

 



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com 
 

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz 
 

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 On Behalf Of Jerry Caldwell
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 6:10 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

 

Wrenches,

 

I have a customer who wants to have batteries installed in a 4' tall crawl 
space / short basement. Are there any accessibility code issues with installing 
batteries in a crawl space? Does the NEC address this?

 

Thanks,
Jerry Caldwell






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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

2018-07-30 Thread Ray 
Article 110.26 covering clearances in front of electrical equipment 
applies.  I worked on a couple like that, and I didn't like it. Very 
hard to move the batteries, and Combined with H2S, you are in what OSHA 
considers a confined hazardous space.


Another way to use that crawl space is to build a trap door access from 
the floor above.  This can work really nicely, and put the batteries 
right under the inverter without violating article 110.26.  I think I 
saw a system that either Allan Sindelar or Windy Dankoff did like that. 
I've tried it a few times, and everyone (customers and inspectors) was 
happy.  Here's a pic of some HUPs in a floor vault just below the inverter:



Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 7/30/18 8:37 AM, Dana wrote:


Safe working clearance is 6’-8”.

I have been confronted with this issue in the past taking over other’s 
systems care. This is a head banger & a major safety issue if 
something goes bad. If the batteries are 18-20” tall that only leaves 
anther 28-30” between bottom side of the floor joist & the top of the 
battery. Your face is way too close to a battery esp. if there is an 
issue to address.


The installation is bent over back-heavy move situation. I am assuming 
you have a dirt or gravel floor to move across?


It seems like a good use of space up front but the reality of the 
install plagues you down the road.


If it is WLA batteries it is the worst of situations.

Even if this is not inspected, please avoid this situation.



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

*C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com*

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz 

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*From:* RE-wrenches  *On 
Behalf Of *Jerry Caldwell

*Sent:* Saturday, July 28, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

Wrenches,

I have a customer who wants to have batteries installed in a 4' tall 
crawl space / short basement. Are there any accessibility code issues 
with installing batteries in a crawl space? Does the NEC address this?


Thanks,
Jerry Caldwell



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Re: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase

2018-07-30 Thread Ron Young 
Good to know August and Bill, I’ll put in a call today.

Ron
earthRight Solar - Solareagle.com

> On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, August Goers  wrote:
> 
> We have many M210 and M190 micros installed and deal with replacements 
> frequently. If you're seeing physical signs of oozing or swelling, it's only 
> a matter of time before they stop working. Enphase should replace them under 
> warranty, especially if you explain that now is the time to get them swapped 
> and show them the pics.
> 
> August
> Luminalt
> 
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:08 AM Bill Hennessy  > wrote:
> Ron, Give Enphase a call; replacements are usually sent without a hassle. 
> They have a lot of experience replacing their older inverters. 
> 
> regards, bill
>  
> Bill Hennessy
> Berks Solar, LLC
> 371 Centennial Rd
> Mertztown, PA 19539
> 
> o 610 682 4300
> c 484 560 4666
> NABCEP certified installer
> PA contractor #44411
> www.berkssolar.com 
> 
> 
> From: RM You mailto:solarea...@solareagle.com>>
> To: RE-wrenches  > 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 9:46 PM
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase
> 
> Anyone have a source of M210 Enphase inverters? I have a customer who has 3 
> out of 12 that are leaking and as he is getting his roof re-done would like 
> to replace those before problems occur. They are still working properly but I 
> don’t know the likelihood of failure. I could replace them with 215’s but the 
> trunk cable plugs are different so would have to run a separate trunk cable 
> for just those 3 unless there is an adapter. Any suggestions wildly 
> appreciated ;) !
> 
> Ron
> earthRight Solar - Solareagle.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase

2018-07-30 Thread August Goers 
We have many M210 and M190 micros installed and deal with replacements
frequently. If you're seeing physical signs of oozing or swelling, it's
only a matter of time before they stop working. Enphase should replace them
under warranty, especially if you explain that now is the time to get them
swapped and show them the pics.

August
Luminalt

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:08 AM Bill Hennessy  wrote:

> Ron, Give Enphase a call; replacements are usually sent without a hassle.
> They have a lot of experience replacing their older inverters.
>
> regards, bill
>
> Bill Hennessy
> Berks Solar, LLC
> 371 Centennial Rd
> Mertztown, PA 19539
>
> o 610 682 4300
> c 484 560 4666
> NABCEP certified installer
> PA contractor #44411
> www.berkssolar.com
>
>
> --
> *From:* RM You 
> *To:* RE-wrenches 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 9:46 PM
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] M210 Enphase
>
> Anyone have a source of M210 Enphase inverters? I have a customer who has
> 3 out of 12 that are leaking and as he is getting his roof re-done would
> like to replace those before problems occur. They are still working
> properly but I don’t know the likelihood of failure. I could replace them
> with 215’s but the trunk cable plugs are different so would have to run a
> separate trunk cable for just those 3 unless there is an adapter. Any
> suggestions wildly appreciated ;) !
>
> Ron
> earthRight Solar - Solareagle.com
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[RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

2018-07-30 Thread Dana 
Safe working clearance is 6’-8”.

I have been confronted with this issue in the past taking over other’s systems 
care. This is a head banger & a major safety issue if something goes bad. If 
the batteries are 18-20” tall that only leaves anther 28-30” between bottom 
side of the floor joist & the top of the battery. Your face is way too close to 
a battery esp. if there is an issue to address.

The installation is bent over back-heavy move situation. I am assuming you have 
a dirt or gravel floor to move across?

It seems like a good use of space up front but the reality of the install 
plagues you down the road.

If it is WLA batteries it is the worst of situations.

 

Even if this is not inspected, please avoid this situation.

 



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz 
 

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of 
Jerry Caldwell
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 6:10 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Batteries in 4' tall crawl space

 

Wrenches,

 

I have a customer who wants to have batteries installed in a 4' tall crawl 
space / short basement. Are there any accessibility code issues with installing 
batteries in a crawl space? Does the NEC address this?

 

Thanks,
Jerry Caldwell

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