Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread frenergy via RE-wrenches 

Hi Wayne,


            We've done about a dozen Outback systems with SimpliPhi  
batteries.  SimpliPhi has integration guides with well thought out  and 
complete settings to program OB Inverters and CC's the play properly 
with SimpliPhi batteries (24 and 48 volt). Straight-forward stuff.


Bill


Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
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On 10/18/2022 12:27 PM, Wayne Irwin via RE-wrenches wrote:

Hello All,

Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.

While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer 
Outback's VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning 
and redundancy.


Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be 
greatly appreciated.



Wayne Irwin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches 


Lones,

I did not see any batteries that were closed loop between outback and 
the battery BMS on your link.  Did I missed something?


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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On 2022-10-18 2:09 pm, Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches wrote:


Hi Wayne

Below is a link to the OBack website.

There are several white papers at the link below.

https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes

Thank you for using OutBack/.

Take Care

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Hello All,

Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?

We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.

While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer 
Outback's VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning 
and redundancy.


Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be 
greatly appreciated.


Wayne Irwin
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Pure Energy Solar International Inc.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Rebekah Hren via RE-wrenches 
Also, it's unlikely in a tiny home, but double-check there are no multiwire
branch circuits. Neutral could be overloaded once L1 and L2 are the same.
There is a required label that states this in Article 710.15(C).


On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 5:09 PM Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches <
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> Hi Kris
> I've successfully used a double pole double throw relay to handle this
> issue with a couple of solar power trailers that I've built over the years.
> You will need to bridge the inverter side of the transfer switch so that
> the 120V single-phase inverter powers both the L-1 and L-2 buses of your
> tiny home's electrical panel. Also if you use a relay or contactor make
> sure that it is rated for the amperage that you need at *continuous use*,
> or make sure that it is rated for way more amperage than you need. There
> are a whole series of electrical contactors and relays that will say they
> are rated at a much larger amperage than they can continuously handle.
>
> Your transfer switch idea may even work better if you have the physical
> space for it.
>
>
>
> Vince McClellan
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> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:30 AM Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches <
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>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.
>>
>> I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one
>> where his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries,
>> inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a
>> 240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The
>> inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied,
>> but does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.
>>
>> So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50
>> amp automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the
>> solar inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit
>> will disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for
>> components is very limited
>>
>> If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
>> (other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kris
>>
>>
>> Shine On!
>>
>> Kris Schmid
>> Legacy Solar, LLC
>> 137 West 1st Avenue
>> Luck, WI 54853
>> www.legacysolar.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches 
Hi Kris
I've successfully used a double pole double throw relay to handle this
issue with a couple of solar power trailers that I've built over the years.
You will need to bridge the inverter side of the transfer switch so that
the 120V single-phase inverter powers both the L-1 and L-2 buses of your
tiny home's electrical panel. Also if you use a relay or contactor make
sure that it is rated for the amperage that you need at *continuous use*,
or make sure that it is rated for way more amperage than you need. There
are a whole series of electrical contactors and relays that will say they
are rated at a much larger amperage than they can continuously handle.

Your transfer switch idea may even work better if you have the physical
space for it.



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> Hi All,
>
> I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.
>
> I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one
> where his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries,
> inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a
> 240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The
> inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied,
> but does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.
>
> So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50
> amp automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the
> solar inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit
> will disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for
> components is very limited
>
> If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
> (other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)
>
> Thanks,
> Kris
>
>
> Shine On!
>
> Kris Schmid
> Legacy Solar, LLC
> 137 West 1st Avenue
> Luck, WI 54853
> www.legacysolar.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches 
Yes, many Radian systems with Discover AES and Helios using the Lynk II
gateway. Lynk II takes care of AGS and activating heat pads.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 12:27 PM Wayne Irwin via RE-wrenches <
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> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
> We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.
>
> While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer
> Outback's VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning and
> redundancy.
>
> Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Wayne Irwin
> President
> License #CVC56695
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches 
Hi Wayne
Below is a link to the OBack website.
There are several white papers at the link below.
https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes
Thank you for using OutBack/.
Take Care



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Hello All,

Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.

While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer Outback's 
VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning and redundancy.

Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly 
appreciated.


Wayne Irwin
President
License #CVC56695
State Licensed Solar Contractor
Pure Energy Solar International Inc.
wa...@pureenergysolar.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches 
I’ve successfully paired a few different lithium brands with both Radian and 
FX. 

Outback has a white paper to get you started. Here’s a PDF that points to the 
different lithium brands. I’ve successfully paired other non-white listed 
lithium batteries following the same guideline.

https://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/productchangenotice/productchangenotice_li-ion.pdf

Maverick Brown
Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006
Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.
 • Solar Commander Remote Power
 • SunFlow Systems Cathodic Protection 
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> On Oct 18, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Wayne Irwin via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
> We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.
> 
> While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer Outback's 
> VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning and redundancy.
> 
> Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> Wayne Irwin
> President
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[RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

2022-10-18 Thread Wayne Irwin via RE-wrenches 
Hello All,

Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.

While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer Outback's 
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Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches 
I would install a main panel (outdoor surface mount?). The main panel is fed by 
an RV cord, 240 V 50 amp. The main panel has a double pole 20 amp breaker for 
the air conditioner. The main panel also has a 120V 30 amp breaker for the 
inverter loop. When the tiny house is plugged into the grid, the mini split and 
the inverter is fed grid power and the rest of the loads are on the grid via 
the inverter pass thru. And when the tiny houses is disconnected from the grid, 
the mini split does not operate and the inverter supplies loads. You can 
install a switch to take the inverter off grid when the main is connected to 
grid to utilize available solar production. 

Assumption: only power mini split on the grid. 

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> On Oct 18, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.
> 
> I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one where 
> his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries, 
> inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a 
> 240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The 
> inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied, but 
> does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.  
> 
> So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50 amp 
> automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the solar 
> inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit will 
> disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for 
> components is very limited  
> 
> If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
> (other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)
> 
> Thanks,
> Kris
> 
> 
> Shine On!
> 
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> 137 West 1st Avenue
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches 
That makes sense, Matt.  Thanks.  I was missing the easier solution.


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On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 1:05 PM Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi Kris,
>
> I think you want the "shore power" to feed into a 240V load center on the
> tiny home.  You might have to add this panel as part of the power inlet
> equipment.  I'd feed the minisplit off this 240V panel and subfeed 120V to
> the AC IN on the inverter.  In turn, the inverter can supply a load center
> with 120V ONLY circuits.
>
> -Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 1:30 PM Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.
>>
>> I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one
>> where his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries,
>> inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a
>> 240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The
>> inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied,
>> but does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.
>>
>> So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50
>> amp automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the
>> solar inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit
>> will disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for
>> components is very limited
>>
>> If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
>> (other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kris
>>
>>
>> Shine On!
>>
>> Kris Schmid
>> Legacy Solar, LLC
>> 137 West 1st Avenue
>> Luck, WI 54853
>> www.legacysolar.com
>> 715-653-4295
>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>> Licensed Wisconsin Master Electrician
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Matt Sherald via RE-wrenches 
Hi Kris,

I think you want the "shore power" to feed into a 240V load center on the
tiny home.  You might have to add this panel as part of the power inlet
equipment.  I'd feed the minisplit off this 240V panel and subfeed 120V to
the AC IN on the inverter.  In turn, the inverter can supply a load center
with 120V ONLY circuits.

-Matt





On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 1:30 PM Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.
>
> I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one
> where his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries,
> inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a
> 240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The
> inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied,
> but does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.
>
> So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50
> amp automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the
> solar inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit
> will disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for
> components is very limited
>
> If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
> (other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)
>
> Thanks,
> Kris
>
>
> Shine On!
>
> Kris Schmid
> Legacy Solar, LLC
> 137 West 1st Avenue
> Luck, WI 54853
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[RE-wrenches] Head scratcher

2022-10-18 Thread Kristopher Schmid via RE-wrenches 
Hi All,

I am hoping that someone on the list can help me think this one through.

I have a client that builds tiny portable homes.  He is working on one
where his client supplied the solar modules, charge controller, batteries,
inverter, etc.  They bought them through some dot com.  The tiny home has a
240 volt mini split that they want to use when plugged into the grid.  The
inverter that they bought is a 120 volt.  The inverter is not grid tied,
but does have a 120 volt grid input for battery charging / pass thru.

So, my issue is, how can I make this work?  I am thinking of using a 50 amp
automatic transfer switch like a Surge-Guard-40100 and connecting the solar
inverter as primary and grid as backup but am not sure if that unit will
disconnect the grid with only one leg energized.   Physical space for
components is very limited

If anyone has some ideas here, I would sure appreciate it.
(other than "just walk away" or buy a 240 volt inverter)

Thanks,
Kris


Shine On!

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Legacy Solar, LLC
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715-653-4295
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