Re: [RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

Hi JohnThx. I’ve had good experience with them too. JayOn May 20, 2024, at 8:20 PM, John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches  wrote:Jay,     I have had good luck with Fortress eVaults with Radians.  3 eVault 18.4’s would do the trick. My only off grid customer running generator free in Vermont winters has 3 vaults and a Radian. JohnOn Mon, May 20, 2024 at 7:22 PM jay via RE-wrenches  wrote:HI All

I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium battery.  
Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
Could be outside or inside

It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what folks are using/recommending.

thanks

jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches]

Jay,
I have had good luck with Fortress eVaults with Radians.  3 eVault
18.4’s would do the trick. My only off grid customer running generator free
in Vermont winters has 3 vaults and a Radian.

John

On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 7:22 PM jay via RE-wrenches <
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> HI All
>
> I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium
> battery.
> Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
> Could be outside or inside
>
> It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what
> folks are using/recommending.
>
> thanks
>
> jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

I don’t know who’s bigger or has more money. EG4 is a manufacturer Signature is a distributor Both are in the same town Some one on this site said EG4 said they bought OB. EG 4 makes more sense as they would have lots of Chinese manufacturing contacts. If OB is coming out with new products, I’d expect they are coming out of China. I could easily see them partnering with any of the large Chinese companies. I guess we will know soon. JayOn May 20, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches  wrote:At Intersolar (January) San Diego, I heard Bigbatterybox.com purchased Outback. Since then, I've heard it may be Signature Solar. I am unsure who purchased them, but with them being so close to Signature Solar, that makes sense. I'm not sure who purchased them, but they have been asleep at the wheel since then. They can't sell any product in Canada because they have let their CSA certificates lapse. Steve Higgins ⋅ 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

Hi DanYes the UL 9540JayOn May 20, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Dan Fink via RE-wrenches  wrote:What specific UL listing(s) are they requiring? Around these parts it's been UL 9540 for all AHJs, and some requiring that even for lead-acid, despite the IFC exceptions and so few listed products (the IRC now seems to require UL 9540 even if the system is not grid-interconnected). UL 9540A is not an actual listing but an active fire test, results of which can be used to gain their UL 9540 and/or allow smaller offsets between each ESS unit and from windows, doors etc if their individual UL 9540A testing results allow that.Dan FinkOwner, Buckville Energy Consulting LLCIREC Certified Instructor for PV and Small Wind InstallationNABCEP Certified PV System InspectorNABCEP PV Associatedanbo...@gmail.com970-672-4342 On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 5:22 PM jay via RE-wrenches  wrote:HI All

I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium battery.  
Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
Could be outside or inside

It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what folks are using/recommending.

thanks

jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics

[Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches]

At Intersolar (January) San Diego, I heard Bigbatterybox.com purchased
Outback. Since then, I've heard it may be Signature Solar. I am unsure who
purchased them, but with them being so close to Signature Solar, that makes
sense. I'm not sure who purchased them, but they have been asleep at the
wheel since then. They can't sell any product in Canada because they have
let their CSA certificates lapse.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 4:45 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> So here is the scoop, I got it that outback is moving to Dallas and will
> still be a premium product, and yes the optics shut down had something to
> do with the sale. Everyone hold on as they say they have new products at
> SPI this fall. Keep your fingers crossed and let's all wait patiently.
> Fun times
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2024, 10:53 AM Lou Russo via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I started poking through EnerSys's (The most recent owner of Outback) SEC
>> filings in hopes to find who the new buyer is. I found nothing related to
>> the sale but found this in their most recent quarterly report :
>>
>> On November 8, 2023, the Company's Board of Directors approved a plan to
>> stop production and operations of residential renewable energy products,
>> which include our OutBack and Mojave brands. Management determined that
>> residential renewable energy products no longer fit with the company’s core
>> strategy and resources will be better allocated toward commercial energy
>> solutions for enterprise customers. The Company currently estimates that
>> the total charges for these actions will amount to $23.5 million relating
>> primarily to $22.6 million in non-cash charges primarily including
>> inventory and an indefinite-lived intangible asset write-offs and $0.9
>> million in cash charges including employee severance and retention
>> payments. The plan is expected to be completed in fiscal 2024. During the
>> nine months of fiscal 2024, the Company recorded non-cash charges totaling
>> $6.6 million primarily related to indefinite-lived intangible asset
>> write-off and cash charges of $0.4 million related to severance costs. The
>> Company also recorded a non-cash write off relating to inventories of $16.1
>> million, which was reported in cost of goods sold.
>>
>> To say I am curious about what is going on is an understatement.
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Lou Russo
>> Owner
>> l...@spreesolarsystems.com
>> 808 345 6762
>> Spree Solar Systems LLC
>> CT-34322
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 2:21 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with you William
>>>
>>> While there could be all sorts of valid reasons for the downtime.
>>>
>>> What’s not acceptable is the lack of communication and notification that
>>> it was going to happen or had happened.
>>>
>>> If they do have new owners they are not starting well.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2024, at 9:42 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
>>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Friends:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure you are all acutely aware, but this is not a trivial matter.
>>> We depend on Optics for alerts and trouble shooting.  We rely on Optics for
>>> the history it records to analyze trends and evaluate production and
>>> consumption. I doubt the 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

So here is the scoop, I got it that outback is moving to Dallas and will
still be a premium product, and yes the optics shut down had something to
do with the sale. Everyone hold on as they say they have new products at
SPI this fall. Keep your fingers crossed and let's all wait patiently.
Fun times

On Sun, May 19, 2024, 10:53 AM Lou Russo via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> I started poking through EnerSys's (The most recent owner of Outback) SEC
> filings in hopes to find who the new buyer is. I found nothing related to
> the sale but found this in their most recent quarterly report :
>
> On November 8, 2023, the Company's Board of Directors approved a plan to
> stop production and operations of residential renewable energy products,
> which include our OutBack and Mojave brands. Management determined that
> residential renewable energy products no longer fit with the company’s core
> strategy and resources will be better allocated toward commercial energy
> solutions for enterprise customers. The Company currently estimates that
> the total charges for these actions will amount to $23.5 million relating
> primarily to $22.6 million in non-cash charges primarily including
> inventory and an indefinite-lived intangible asset write-offs and $0.9
> million in cash charges including employee severance and retention
> payments. The plan is expected to be completed in fiscal 2024. During the
> nine months of fiscal 2024, the Company recorded non-cash charges totaling
> $6.6 million primarily related to indefinite-lived intangible asset
> write-off and cash charges of $0.4 million related to severance costs. The
> Company also recorded a non-cash write off relating to inventories of $16.1
> million, which was reported in cost of goods sold.
>
> To say I am curious about what is going on is an understatement.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Lou Russo
> Owner
> l...@spreesolarsystems.com
> 808 345 6762
> Spree Solar Systems LLC
> CT-34322
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 2:21 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you William
>>
>> While there could be all sorts of valid reasons for the downtime.
>>
>> What’s not acceptable is the lack of communication and notification that
>> it was going to happen or had happened.
>>
>> If they do have new owners they are not starting well.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2024, at 9:42 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Friends:
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure you are all acutely aware, but this is not a trivial matter.
>> We depend on Optics for alerts and trouble shooting.  We rely on Optics for
>> the history it records to analyze trends and evaluate production and
>> consumption. I doubt the data lost will back-fill.  I sell Outback based in
>> great part on the Optics interface.  For this system to be down for days at
>> a time is not a good sign at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be lighting up the phone lines on Monday to find out what happened
>> and to emphasize this cannot become a pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>>
>> Miller Solar
>>
>> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>>
>> 805-438-5600
>>
>> www.millersolar.com
>>
>> CA Lic. 773985
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Lou Russo via RE-wrenches
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2024 11:50 AM
>> *To:* RE-wrenches
>> *Cc:* Lou Russo
>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics
>>
>>
>>
>> All my sites are currently down.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not related but I tried to call tech support yesterday during business
>> hours and got message saying thank you for calling Outback Sales leave a
>> message.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do hope they are just in transition but I got a bad feeling about this.
>> I hope I am wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone heard for sure who bought them? I know they were bought from
>> talking to tech support but that is all I know and the Internet has 0 info
>> on a recent sale.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2024, 6:48 AM Dan Fink via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> Mine all went down yesterday at noon MDT. I wonder if this has to do with
>> the sale of Outback?
>>
>>
>> Dan Fink
>>
>> Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting LLC
>>
>> IREC Certified Instructor for PV and Small Wind Installation
>>
>> NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
>>
>> NABCEP PV Associate
>>
>> d anbo...@gmail.com
>>
>> 970-672-4342
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 10:17 AM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> Friends:
>>
>>
>>
>> 100% of our Optics sites are down since 11 AM yesterday. Is it just us?
>>
>> William Miller
>> Miller Solar.com
>> 805-438-5600
>> www.millersolar.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[Dan Fink via RE-wrenches]

What specific UL listing(s) are they requiring? Around these parts it's
been UL 9540 for all AHJs, and some requiring that even for lead-acid,
despite the IFC exceptions and so few listed products (the IRC now seems to
require UL 9540 even if the system is not grid-interconnected). UL 9540A is
not an actual listing but an active fire test, results of which can be used
to gain their UL 9540 and/or allow smaller offsets between each ESS unit
and from windows, doors etc if their individual UL 9540A testing results
allow that.

Dan Fink
Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting LLC
IREC Certified Instructor for PV and Small Wind Installation
NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
NABCEP PV Associate
d anbo...@gmail.com
970-672-4342




On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 5:22 PM jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> HI All
>
> I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium
> battery.
> Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
> Could be outside or inside
>
> It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what
> folks are using/recommending.
>
> thanks
>
> jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[MD Electric & Solar via RE-wrenches]

I would think most Lithiums should work. We've used Simpliphi with Radian
successfully.
Mike

On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 4:22 PM jay via RE-wrenches <
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> HI All
>
> I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium
> battery.
> Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
> Could be outside or inside
>
> It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what
> folks are using/recommending.
>
> thanks
>
> jay
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[RE-wrenches] UL batteries for open loop

[jay via RE-wrenches]

HI All

I got a call from a fellow installer who needs a UL listed lithium battery.  
Say 30-50 kwh.  open loop as its working with existing OB radians.
Could be outside or inside

It so confusing to find the right battery I’d thought I would ask what folks 
are using/recommending.

thanks

jay
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback:

[Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches]

Here is the official word from the new president of Outback Power just 
now posted on the Outback Forum:



Hello Outback Community,

My name is Marshall Neipert, the new president of Outback Power. As 
some of you may have heard, Outback Power has recently been purchased 
from EnerSys in a private sale. Although the official announcement was 
scheduled for the end of May, the ongoing issues with Optics RE have 
prompted me to address the community earlier.


I want to assure you that despite the transition to new ownership, the 
hosting of Optics RE has not yet moved to Outback Power. It remains 
hosted by EnerSys. I met with the lead tech at EnerSys responsible for 
hosting Optics RE early Monday morning. He assured me that they have 
identified the problem and are working diligently to bring Optics RE 
back online as soon as possible.


I will personally keep you updated on the progress here in this forum, 
and we hope to resolve the issue very soon.


This is not how I envisioned my introduction to the Outback community, 
but under the circumstances, I wanted to assure you that I am 
committed to maintaining open communication and ensuring that Outback 
Power is in good hands.


Please keep an eye out for our upcoming press release, which will 
include exciting hints about the incredible, disruptive products 
Outback Power will be releasing soon.


Sincerely,

Marshall Neipert
President, Outback Power

Hope that helps to clear things up!

Best,


~~~
Jeff Clearwater


linkedin 
www.villagepowerdesign.com 
cell - 413-559-9763
~~~


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches 


May 20, 2024 at 12:00 PM
Interesting that Commerce, TX is 20 miles from Sulphur Springs, TX 
which is the home of Signature Solar.
https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/ ... rt-request 


Shows:
404 Page Not Found
Component not found

Screenshot 2024-05-20 104538.jpg 



The moderators (not Outback employees) on the forum have an 
interesting conspiracy thread going if it is a slow Monday.

https://forum.outbackpower.com/viewtopic.php?t=18704=25
Good info also on using WattPlott earlier in the thread.

*Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
https://offgridsolar1.com/
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net 
text 209 813 0060*


On 2024-05-20 8:51 am, William Miller via RE-wrenches wrote:



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William Miller via RE-wrenches 
May 20, 2024 at 10:51 AM

Friends:

Optics is still down as of Monday morning.  Outback does not answer 
telephone calls.  Options on their automated attendant are Tech 
Support and Sales.  Either selection directs you to sales but no one 
picks up.  I left several messages.


I called Zonna Energy to ask.  They told me Outback had been purchased 
and moved to Texas.  Zonna has stock and is being promised 
manufacturing will be continued.  Zonna is aware Optics and Tech 
Support are unavailable but don’t know when it will return. Zonna says 
Outback has been responding to on-line case requests.  They seem 
confident that the Outback line will continue as before.


That’s what I have learned this morning.

William

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com 

CA Lic. 773985



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback:

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Interesting that Commerce, TX is 20 miles from Sulphur Springs, TX which 
is the home of Signature Solar.

  https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/ ... rt-request [4]
Shows:
404 Page Not Found
Component not found
 [5] The moderators (not Outback employees) on the forum have an 
interesting conspiracy thread going if it is a slow Monday.


https://forum.outbackpower.com/viewtopic.php?t=18704=25

Good info also on using WattPlott earlier in the thread.

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
   [2]https://offgridsolar1.com/ [3]  [2]
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

On 2024-05-20 8:51 am, William Miller via RE-wrenches wrote:


Friends:

Optics is still down as of Monday morning.  Outback does not answer 
telephone calls.  Options on their automated attendant are Tech Support 
and Sales.  Either selection directs you to sales but no one picks up.  
I left several messages.


I called Zonna Energy to ask.  They told me Outback had been purchased 
and moved to Texas.  Zonna has stock and is being promised 
manufacturing will be continued.  Zonna is aware Optics and Tech 
Support are unavailable but don't know when it will return. Zonna says 
Outback has been responding to on-line case requests.  They seem 
confident that the Outback line will continue as before.


That's what I have learned this morning.

William

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com [1]

CA Lic. 773985

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Links:
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[2] http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
[3] https://offgridsolar1.com/
[4] 
https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/technical-support/online-support-request
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[RE-wrenches] Outback:

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Friends:



Optics is still down as of Monday morning.  Outback does not answer
telephone calls.  Options on their automated attendant are Tech Support and
Sales.  Either selection directs you to sales but no one picks up.  I left
several messages.



I called Zonna Energy to ask.  They told me Outback had been purchased and
moved to Texas.  Zonna has stock and is being promised manufacturing will
be continued.  Zonna is aware Optics and Tech Support are unavailable but
don’t know when it will return. Zonna says Outback has been responding to
on-line case requests.  They seem confident that the Outback line will
continue as before.



That’s what I have learned this morning.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985
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